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Approval due late March/April as far as I know.

Roy, the Sharks will not be developing, their partners will be doing that, and handing the Sharks $10m once approval is given.

Its not a flood plain, it is a bay.

The Sharks will also recieve a percentage of money from the unit sales after a certain amount have been sold, not sure on the amount.
 
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we got some shit to get done in the mean time as a club.

1. get sponsors on the jersey
2. get membership numbers increased on last 2 years
3. kickoff the season with a couple of wins
4. get approval.
 
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The Sharks will also recieve a percentage of money from the unit sales after a certain amount have been sold, not sure on the amount.

after the 314th one sold

we also get retail rent money. or a percentage of it.

the 10 million is essentially a trade to the total rights of 314 properties
 
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dosnt look like it dude.

Coldwell, Hisense and Pokerstars were all up for renewall i believe.

Hisenese by all accounts were lawballing. i would doubt it if they were on the shirts next year.

Pokerstars, banker....everything seems to be up in the air at the moment.
it could be the case that alot of companies are playing the waiting game in regards to march.
 

Lucky Roy

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Thanks for the detailed responses. That comment about the 314 properties is quite astounding. I know CS are not stumping up development money but if you average out the unit cost at, say, $400,000, that comes out at around 125 mil. It wouldn't cost anything like that to develop them. I think you're being done over.

Someone mentioned items 1-4. Item 1 is obviously critical. Item 2 is as well but what sort of base are you coming off? Item 3 will take care of itself and Item 4 sounds like it is absolutely critical.

My advice re Morrison still stands. My other advice, while seemingly obvious, is to make absolutely certain you have good management. My club, Souths, were blind to the idea, believing that George Piggins would see us right. Well, he didn't. Yes, he loved the club and all the rest of it (but doesn't seem to love it som much these days, especially when someone from the tellucrap sticks a microphone under his nose). He also sold off our crown jewels in Chalmers St, bit by bit, until there was literally nothing left. Like it or not, Souths, through very strong financial management, are very well off. That is through five years of private ownership. I know the on field performances haven't really delivered but as of today, there are about 10000 bums on seat memberships already sold. That is nearly three million.

Without private ownership, they would have nothing. Has Cronulla considered some sort of owner buyout? You obviously have an asset (probably worth the whole of Chalmers St), approval pending. Selling 49% afor about 50 mil and making up the other 51% in membership shares combined as an IPO would/could/should raise the other 50. After all, the asset would not be something so basic as a football team (all of them are basically worthless) but real bricks and mortar.
 
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Thanks for the detailed responses. That comment about the 314 properties is quite astounding. I know CS are not stumping up development money but if you average out the unit cost at, say, $400,000, that comes out at around 125 mil. It wouldn't cost anything like that to develop them. I think you're being done over.

Someone mentioned items 1-4. Item 1 is obviously critical. Item 2 is as well but what sort of base are you coming off? Item 3 will take care of itself and Item 4 sounds like it is absolutely critical.

My advice re Morrison still stands. My other advice, while seemingly obvious, is to make absolutely certain you have good management. My club, Souths, were blind to the idea, believing that George Piggins would see us right. Well, he didn't. Yes, he loved the club and all the rest of it (but doesn't seem to love it som much these days, especially when someone from the tellucrap sticks a microphone under his nose). He also sold off our crown jewels in Chalmers St, bit by bit, until there was literally nothing left. Like it or not, Souths, through very strong financial management, are very well off. That is through five years of private ownership. I know the on field performances haven't really delivered but as of today, there are about 10000 bums on seat memberships already sold. That is nearly three million.

Without private ownership, they would have nothing. Has Cronulla considered some sort of owner buyout? You obviously have an asset (probably worth the whole of Chalmers St), approval pending. Selling 49% afor about 50 mil and making up the other 51% in membership shares combined as an IPO would/could/should raise the other 50. After all, the asset would not be something so basic as a football team (all of them are basically worthless) but real bricks and mortar

well....

its the trade that we have been forced to make.

there was an oroginal proposal where we got a percentage of all sold. however westpac bank decided to make a move on us and give us a timeline.
because of this....we were foced into a new negotiation with the developers.


i agree that private/fan ownership would be good.

reefy's example was this. sell shares in the sharks for 2k.
this gives you a percentage in land holding and the footy club.

say you have 5 thousand investors theres 10 million off the debt allready.
 

newman

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The trade off gives us cash in the bank years before a unit is bulit. A critical point. The residential portion of the development is last in line to be built and could be up to 7 years before completion. So 7 years before anyone sees any money..... Unfortunately we cant afford to wait that long.

We still get ongoing revenue from the retail portion of the development, which will be built first.
 

newman

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I also believe that we are negotiating with several sponsors as the Hisense deal was pretty cheap and it is believed that our brand value is significantly more valuable than it was in 2010.

A smart management team might use the many businesses who are vying against each other to get primo real estate in the retail development as leverage, wouldnt you think?
 

Special K

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I also believe that we are negotiating with several sponsors as the Hisense deal was pretty cheap and it is believed that our brand value is significantly more valuable than it was in 2010.

A smart management team might use the many businesses who are vying against each other to get primo real estate in the retail development as leverage, wouldnt you think?

certainly one way of looking at it newman.
 

Lucky Roy

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well....

its the trade that we have been forced to make.

there was an oroginal proposal where we got a percentage of all sold. however westpac bank decided to make a move on us and give us a timeline.
because of this....we were foced into a new negotiation with the developers.


i agree that private/fan ownership would be good.

reefy's example was this. sell shares in the sharks for 2k.
this gives you a percentage in land holding and the footy club.

say you have 5 thousand investors theres 10 million off the debt allready.

Sounds like you don't have too many options and that the shareholder thing would not be a goer, at least in the timeline Gail Kelly is talking about. My opinion, which of course counts for nothing as I am an outsider, would have been to pitch 49% to someone like Harry Triguboff, offer some percentage of ownership to your (wealthier - they would need to be - fans) and float the rest. BTW - my figure of $400k per was very conservative. It would be in reality much higher.

Someone said that the development costs would be "a fuggen shyte load". I disagree. While the developer is up for infrastucture (water, gas, telecoms -- insist on fibre, the NBN isn't going away), the economies of scale on over 300 apartments reduce the costs per unit dramatically.

Finally, every club has one. Who was your George Piggins? You know, the one who let his own ego get in the way of any progress other than his (or her) own vision. Our George had premiers, current and ex, of both persuasions, Kerry Stokes, Kerry Packer, all sorts of other media, not too mention the very biggest of the big end of town and he managed to piss the lot of them off. Genius like that doesn't happen along every day. If you think you have your own George, then act now. You know what to do.
 
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well mate

to be fair, without george piggins, souths would never have gotten back into the premiership.

he wasnt a good manager by any means, but as a fight to the death type..without him you wouldnt have a team. wouldnt have matterda bout crowe and all that...it would have been over in 1999

in regards to costs we arent taking on any costs of the development to the best of my knowledge.
we have no options bar this one IMO. so it has to go ahead.

in regards to privatisation, the level of debt taken on immediately is quite large. so im not sure how many suitors would be interested.

also, footy clubs as a business for the most part are not profitable in this current business model.
 

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