Team 20 - Who? Adelaide or Queensland 5?

[Perth Red]

Look I agree with that but the 6 options will never fit into 3 spots

Realistically I dont think theres 6 options. Theres really only 4. And 2 of those probably only if Bears are involved (NZ2 and Adelaide). Having said that looking at the small amount of revenue the Cronulla Sharks generated last year it would seem clubs anywhere might be viable!

 

[Pippen94]

Realistically I dont think theres 6 options. Theres really only 4. And 2 of those probably only if Bears are involved (NZ2 and Adelaide). Having said that looking at the small amount of revenue the Cronulla Sharks generated last year it would seem clubs anywhere might be viable!

This why I think ur a troll. Club relying on football operations money will go broke

 

[Pippen94]

People said all the shit you guys are saying before every major expansion team got the go ahead.

Adelaide is a city of 1.48mil people, SA a state of 1.77mil. It's more than large enough to support an NRL side, and the NRL can't afford to ignore such a large market.

The only way the NRL and RL is going to grow significantly in Adelaide and SA is with the introduction of a local team, and the longer you put off starting that process the longer it will take. Who knows whether or not they'll be an instant success, and honestly who really cares, either way it has to be done, so lets get about doing it.

No needed. Brings nothing

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

What makes you think that Adelaide will get comparable crowds to the Storm despite being so much smaller?

They have roughly a quarter of the population and a quarter of the registered players so where is the greater engagement going to come from?

Attendances in 1997 were strong.

 

[Pippen94]

Attendances in 1997 were strong.

So was martin Bella in 97

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

This why I think ur a troll. Club relying on football operations money will go broke

Broncos haven't gone broke.

 

[Perth Red]

This why I think ur a troll. Club relying on football operations money will go broke

Eh? Thats one of the dumbest things you've said, and for you that's pretty special!

 

[Pippen94]

Broncos haven't gone broke.

????

 

[The Great Dane]

There is a limit to how many teams the game can have, you think PV is Oprah “you all get a team”

A team in Ipswich helps solidify the heartland support. You can’t have a 2nd NZ team, a Pacifika side, a Perth side, an Adelaide side, a second Melbourne team and a 3rd Brisbane team.

Also 15k is plenty big enough. Half the sides averaged less than 15k last year. Where are you planning on putting an Adelaide team or a second Melbourne team?

You're right.

So what we do is ignore the people like you that have undermined this sport's potential for decades by splitting fanbases in Sydney and Brisbane into smaller and smaller pieces instead of pursuing genuine expansion opportunities, and leave Ipswich and the Bears in second grade where they belong. We also ignore unfeasible pie in the sky ideas like a "Pasifika" side or PNG, no matter the political pressure. Then pick out the top 3-4 markets without representation and aim to place the next 3 licenses in those markets. Those top 3-4 markets are Perth, Adelaide, Christchurch, and Wellington.

If for whatever reason those target markets don't work out, then we should explore other options. At that point both Brisbane and Melbourne should be in the discussion.

 

[Stormy weather]

You're right.

So what we do is ignore the people like you that have undermined this sport's potential for decades by splitting fanbases in Sydney and Brisbane into smaller and smaller pieces instead of pursuing genuine expansion opportunities, and leave Ipswich and the Bears in second grade where they belong. We also ignore unfeasible pie in the sky ideas like a "Pasifika" side or PNG, no matter the political pressure. Then pick out the top 3-4 markets without representation and aim to place the next 3 licenses in those markets. Those top 3-4 markets are Perth, Adelaide, Christchurch, and Wellington.

If for whatever reason those target markets don't work out, then we should explore other options. At that point both Brisbane and Melbourne should be in the discussion.

Champ you were the one bringing up a second Melbourne side.

How is the game going to fund this?

Why will it work now when it failed last time?

 

[The Great Dane]

Champ you were the one bringing up a second Melbourne side.

Why not bring them up?

Ideally it wouldn't happen before markets like Perth and Adelaide get their first sides, but it should be considered, and should be in the NRL's long term plans.

How is the game going to fund this?

The same way they fund all expansion. Through increased broadcast and sponsorship revenue from selling extra content, seeking out business partners and investors to own, operate, and fund the clubs, and through their grant system.

Honestly, no clubs should be struggling with the annual grant as high as it is these days. They can be complete commercial failures and still skate by on the grant ATM.

Why will it work now when it failed last time?

Why will what exactly work when it failed last time? Actually don't even bother answering that.

The answer to your question will almost certainly be that it'll work this time because it was a good idea poorly executed last time. Just like the Crushers, great idea poorly executed.

 

[Perth Red]

Cronulla sharks $11million in FC revenue. Thats right just $11mill.
Wests Tigers $11.2mill
Bulldogs $12.2mill

I dont think Perth or Adelaide are going to have a problem lol

 

[docbrown]

The Great Dane is right. Perth, Adelaide, Wellington and Christchurch are the biggest media markets without an NRL team.

To decrease the risk in Adelaide set it up with the Bears and a large financial backer.

For NZ 2 work out a way to share games between Wellington and Christchurch to increase your support base from either location to the other 3 million people who live outside of Auckland.

Smaller markets like Cairns, Gosford and Sunshine Coast can be covered by getting existing teams (Cowboys, Sharks, Sea Eagles et al.) to permanently share games.

 

[macca_saint]

The Great Dane is right. Perth, Adelaide, Wellington and Christchurch are the biggest media markets without an NRL team.

To decrease the risk in Adelaide set it up with the Bears and a large financial backer.

In NZ work out a way to share games to increase your support base from either location to the other 3 million people who live outside of Auckland.

Smaller markets like Cairns, Gosford and Sunshine Coast can be covered by getting existing teams (Cowboys, Sharks, Sea Eagles et al.) to permanently share games.

Bris3 would be a better bet than having a potential 3rd NZ side. When you consider the struggles the Warriors have had, throwing 2 extra teams over there doesn’t seem like such a good idea. A second team could work to generate a rivalry though.

 

[docbrown]

Or if News Limited hadn’t funded them

News wanted a team in the second largest media market in the country.

 

[docbrown]

Bris3 would be a better bet than having a potential 3rd NZ side. When you consider the struggles the Warriors have had, throwing 2 extra teams over there doesn’t seem like such a good idea. A second team could work to generate a rivalry though.

Reread what I wrote. The second New Zealand team should share games between Wellington and Christchurch. Instead of targeting a market with 500,000 they can pitch themselves to everyone outside of Auckland (about 3 million people). So no, not a NZ 3. Just NZ 2.

 

[macca_saint]

News wanted a team in the second largest media market in the country.

I understand the reasons why. I was more suggesting that having a wealthy backer was a large contributor their success.

 

[macca_saint]

Reread what I wrote. The second New Zealand team should share games between Wellington and Christchurch. Instead of targeting a market with 500,000 they can pitch themselves to everyone outside of Auckland (about 3 million people). So no, not a NZ 3. Just NZ 2.

Ah yep, I misunderstood what you meant. Completely agree in that case.

 

[docbrown]

I understand the reasons why. I was more suggesting that having a wealthy backer was a large contributor their success.

If Perth comes in you’ll see wealthy backers for an Adelaide team.

 

[macca_saint]

If Perth comes in you’ll see wealthy backers for an Adelaide team.

Oh how I wish we had a Twiggy of our own over in Perth and Adelaide