Team 20 - Who? Adelaide or Queensland 5?

[Perth Red]

What makes you think that Adelaide will get comparable crowds to the Storm despite being so much smaller?

They have roughly a quarter of the population and a quarter of the registered players so where is the greater engagement going to come from?

Because other clubs with smaller populations than adelaide get those crowds. And nrl games in Adelaide have drawn 15k plus crowds.
Of course there’s lots of variables in that, when games are scheduled, how the team performs, how good the club is at engaging the Adelaide public, ticket prices etc

 

[Stormy weather]

Because other clubs with smaller populations than adelaide get those crowds. And nrl games in Adelaide have drawn 15k plus crowds.
Of course there’s lots of variables in that, when games are scheduled, how the team performs, how good the club is at engaging the Adelaide public, ticket prices etc

Name one market that is truly smaller than Adelaide? There isn’t one, there maybe some areas with a smaller population but they are league areas so are a lot less comparable than Melbourne is

15k to a few one off games isn’t going to correlate to a sustainable crowd of that size. Collingwood got 70k to a game in West Sydney yet the giants struggle to get 7k.

To average 15k you would have to sell the stadium out every week

 

[Perth Red]

Name one market that is truly smaller than Adelaide? There isn’t one, there maybe some areas with a smaller population but they are league areas so are a lot less comparable than Melbourne is

15k to a few one off games isn’t going to correlate to a sustainable crowd of that size. Collingwood got 70k to a game in West Sydney yet the giants struggle to get 7k.

To average 15k you would have to sell the stadium out every week

I don’t think we know the true market is tbh. There’s a decent sized population to reach. How much of that population will be interested enough is the great unknown with adelaide. Nrl games snd the rams drew reasonable crowds.
Again why it needs more work or the bears before a decision is made if it makes it in. There’s an opportunity there for sure.

afl, soccer, basketball, cricket and netball have made it work in Adelaide.

 

[The Great Dane]

Outside of the potential for the unpredictable (billionaire backed bids and the sort), the only markets that should be in serious consideration are Perth, Adelaide, Wellington, and Christchurch. Maybe throw in Brisbane and Melbourne at a stretch, but I wouldn't suggest either of those get another team at the moment.

Unfortunately the odds that all three of the expansion clubs actually come from those cities is slim in my opinion.

 

[Stormy weather]

I don’t think we know the true market is tbh. There’s a decent sized population to reach. How much of that population will be interested enough is the great unknown with adelaide. Nrl games snd the rams drew reasonable crowds.
Again why it needs more work or the bears before a decision is made if it makes it in. There’s an opportunity there for sure.

afl, soccer, basketball, cricket and netball have made it work in Adelaide.

Adelaide try to claim they invented Aussie Rules.

 

[The Great Dane]

I don’t think we know the true market is tbh. There’s a decent sized population to reach. How much of that population will be interested enough is the great unknown with adelaide. Nrl games snd the rams drew reasonable crowds.
Again why it needs more work or the bears before a decision is made if it makes it in. There’s an opportunity there for sure.

afl, soccer, basketball, cricket and netball have made it work in Adelaide.

Name one market that is truly smaller than Adelaide? There isn’t one, there maybe some areas with a smaller population but they are league areas so are a lot less comparable than Melbourne is

15k to a few one off games isn’t going to correlate to a sustainable crowd of that size. Collingwood got 70k to a game in West Sydney yet the giants struggle to get 7k.

To average 15k you would have to sell the stadium out every week

People said all the shit you guys are saying before every major expansion team got the go ahead.

Adelaide is a city of 1.48mil people, SA a state of 1.77mil. It's more than large enough to support an NRL side, and the NRL can't afford to ignore such a large market.

The only way the NRL and RL is going to grow significantly in Adelaide and SA is with the introduction of a local team, and the longer you put off starting that process the longer it will take. Who knows whether or not they'll be an instant success, and honestly who really cares, either way it has to be done, so lets get about doing it.

 

[blue bags]

It's a no Brainer. Melbourne 2ND team
It all adds up

 

[Stormy weather]

People said all the shit you guys are saying before every major expansion team got the go ahead.

Adelaide is a city of 1.48mil people, SA a state of 1.77mil. It's more than large enough to support an NRL side, and the NRL can't afford to ignore such a large market.

The only way the NRL and RL is going to grow significantly in Adelaide and SA is with the introduction of a local team, and the longer you put off starting that process the longer it will take. Who knows whether or not they'll be an instant success, and honestly who really cares, either way it has to be done, so lets get about doing it.

At what cost? It has already failed in the past.

Is the potential gain in interest going to be worth the potential loss in interest if they don’t look to shore up western Brisbane? Because as we have seen the AFL is a lot more proactive at spending money to grow the grass roots of the game.

 

[Stormy weather]

Outside of the potential for the unpredictable (billionaire backed bids and the sort), the only markets that should be in serious consideration are Perth, Adelaide, Wellington, and Christchurch. Maybe throw in Brisbane and Melbourne at a stretch, but I wouldn't suggest either of those get another team at the moment.

Unfortunately the odds that all three of the expansion clubs actually come from those cities is slim in my opinion.

Melbourne couldn’t support another team, most of the clubs in Melbourne are in the North West/ West of the city. While it would be possible to look to host a team in Tarniet when the Western United ground is built. But the issue is that would cannibalise the support of the Storm

 

[ground zero]

Geelong Bears anyone

 

[Stormy weather]

Geelong Bears anyone

No.

Where would they play?

Geelong is much more of a footy obsessed area than Melbourne is. They haven’t even been able to support a local rugby league team

 

[macca_saint]

Geelong Bears anyone

If Illawarra, which is a league region, can’t even support a stand-alone club then Geelong is no chance.

 

[mongoose]

And? South Australia if anything are more diehard about their Aussie Rules than Melbourne. There are 2,700 players in Adelaide. It’s not as simple as build it and they will come, look at GWS games, Gold Coast Suns or the Melbourne Rebels

No one here really knows how Adelaide would respond to an NRL team. It could be the most successful expansion team ever, no one knows. There was no demand for GWS and the AFL read the market very wrong there, in saying that they can afford to play the long game and it will reap the benefits down the track. Gold Coast is a funny market, transient population, lots of Vic retirees there but they all follow a Melbourne team. The people born and bred there are rusted on league though and it's like that all the way down the NSW north coast. As for the Rebels well, The ARU couldn't sell water to someone on fire.

 

[Stormy weather]

No one here really knows how Adelaide would respond to an NRL team. It could be the most successful expansion team ever, no one knows. There was no demand for GWS and the AFL read the market very wrong there, in saying that they can afford to play the long game and it will reap the benefits down the track. Gold Coast is a funny market, transient population, lots of Vic retirees there but they all follow a Melbourne team. The people born and bred there are rusted on league though and it's like that all the way down the NSW north coast. As for the Rebels well, The ARU couldn't sell water to someone on fire.

There are 8 clubs west of Parramatta while that doesn’t sound like a lot there is 5 in Adelaide.

The issue with GWS is much like the issue that would be faced with trying to put a second team in Melbourne. Both the Storm and Swans have established themselves as powerful clubs in their respective competitions. Who is going to jump off them for a start up?

 

[The Great Dane]

At what cost? It has already failed in the past.

Is the potential gain in interest going to be worth the potential loss in interest if they don’t look to shore up western Brisbane? Because as we have seen the AFL is a lot more proactive at spending money to grow the grass roots of the game.

The goings on in the grassroots of Western Brisbane aren't really connected to Adelaide in any way whatsoever.

There's no reason why the NRL couldn't have a side in Adelaide, invest in South Australian grassroots, and continue to work in the grassroots of Brisbane. Suggesting otherwise is just nonsense.

Melbourne couldn’t support another team, most of the clubs in Melbourne are in the North West/ West of the city. While it would be possible to look to host a team in Tarniet when the Western United ground is built. But the issue is that would cannibalise the support of the Storm

Melbourne is a city of 5.64mil people, it could absolutely support a second NRL side.

That's not to say that it'd be an instant success. It'd take investment and time to grow like most businesses do, but that doesn't mean that it wouldn't be worthwhile.

BTW, there's f**k all chance of Western United's stadium ever being built. It won't look anything like the current plans if it does get built, and 15k is too small for an NRL side anyway.

 

[The Great Dane]

There are 8 clubs west of Parramatta while that doesn’t sound like a lot there is 5 in Adelaide.

The issue with GWS is much like the issue that would be faced with trying to put a second team in Melbourne. Both the Storm and Swans have established themselves as powerful clubs in their respective competitions. Who is going to jump off them for a start up?

The same people whom become the core base of any expansion side given time; people whom weren't engaged by the sport before for whatever reason, and a percentage of the children of those Swans and Storm fans.

Trying to convert current fans is bad business, it's growth markets you want to hit.

Again, people have said all this shit you're saying about every expansion side in history. All this boring garbage does is put artificial restrictions on potential expansion options.

 

[Stormy weather]

The goings on in the grassroots of Western Brisbane aren't really connected to Adelaide in any way whatsoever.

There's no reason why the NRL couldn't have a side in Adelaide, invest in South Australian grassroots, and continue to work in the grassroots of Brisbane. Suggesting otherwise is just nonsense.

Melbourne is a city of 5.64mil people, it could absolutely support a second NRL side.

That's not to say that it'd be an instant success. It'd take investment and time to grow like most businesses do, but that doesn't mean that it wouldn't be worthwhile.

BTW, there's f**k all chance of Western United's stadium ever being built. It won't look anything like the current plans if it does get built, and 15k is too small for an NRL side anyway.

There is a limit to how many teams the game can have, you think PV is Oprah “you all get a team”

A team in Ipswich helps solidify the heartland support. You can’t have a 2nd NZ team, a Pacifika side, a Perth side, an Adelaide side, a second Melbourne team and a 3rd Brisbane team.

Also 15k is plenty big enough. Half the sides averaged less than 15k last year. Where are you planning on putting an Adelaide team or a second Melbourne team?

 

[Perth Red]

2028 Perth
2030 Adelaide or NZ2
2033 Brisbane 3

That would give the game its footprint for the following 20 years or so (this is presuming Pacfika is as pie in the sky idea as it sounds)

 

[Stormy weather]

2028 Perth
2030 Adelaide or NZ2
2033 Brisbane 3

That would give the game its footprint for the following 20 years or so (this is presuming Pacfika is as pie in the sky idea as it sounds)

Look I agree with that but the 6 options will never fit into 3 spots

 

[Pippen94]

2028 Perth
2030 Adelaide or NZ2
2033 Brisbane 3

That would give the game its footprint for the following 20 years or so (this is presuming Pacfika is as pie in the sky idea as it sounds)

Lol, V'Landys going to fund Perth & Adelaide. Fantasy