Team 20 - Who? Adelaide or Queensland 5?

[Perth Red]

Lol, who cares about being national code. Making money is more important

Afl 5 metro comp $900mill
nrl 3 metro and nz $600mill

hmmmmmm

 

[AlwaysGreen]

 

[Stormy weather]

Or if News Limited hadn’t funded them

That’s the biggest issue who is going to fund it?

Storm got to 40k members in 24 years while being incredibly successful. Adelaide is 25% of the size, if you don’t have an owner willing to fund it where is the money going to come from?

 

[Stormy weather]

Afl 5 metro comp $900mill
nrl 3 metro and nz $600mill

hmmmmmm

Is that due to the location or the cut through.

It was what 81 that the Swans moved to Sydney.

According to Ausplay there are 125k registered Aussie Rules players in NSW and Qld.

While there are 9k league players in Vic, 2.5k in SA and 7.5k in WA.

 

[Perth Red]

Is that due to the location or the cut through.

It was what 81 that the Swans moved to Sydney.

According to Ausplay there are 125k registered Aussie Rules players in NSW and Qld.

While there are 9k league players in Vic, 2.5k in SA and 7.5k in WA.

Both, arguably you can’t have one without the other.

 

[Pippen94]

Afl 5 metro comp $900mill
nrl 3 metro and nz $600mill

hmmmmmm

Learn about TV & demos

 

[Perth Red]

That’s the biggest issue who is going to fund it?

Storm got to 40k members in 24 years while being incredibly successful. Adelaide is 25% of the size, if you don’t have an owner willing to fund it where is the money going to come from?

With the grant what it is now it’s become much easier for clubs. The biggie is corporate support.
On a 14-15k crowd avg and 20k members a club is generating enough fan revenue to be viable. that should be achievable for any new club.
The challenge is bringing in the $10-12mill in sponsorship and corporate sales. If you can do that the club is making a profit with the grant being $17-18mill now.

 

[Perth Red]

Learn about TV & demos

no idea what you’re talking about

 

[Pippen94]

no idea what you’re talking about

Lol

 

[Pippen94]

gws made more football club revenue than tigers and bulldogs lol

Last time I saw their figures they spent more on memberships than they made

 

[Perth Red]

Last time I saw their figures they spent more on memberships than they made

Wouldn’t surprise me, it’d be part of the subsiding they get the large grant for to help build a fanbase.

just looked
$600k membership expense ($300k merch expense)
$2.1mill membership and merch sales

 

[Stormy weather]

With the grant what it is now it’s become much easier for clubs. The biggie is corporate support.
On a 14-15k crowd avg and 20k members a club is generating enough fan revenue to be viable. that should be achievable for any new club.
The challenge is bringing in the $10-12mill in sponsorship and corporate sales. If you can do that the club is making a profit with the grant being $17-18mill now.

20k crowds would be incredible impressive in Adelaide

 

[Stormy weather]

Both, arguably you can’t have one without the other.

But the cut through in Perth is arguably better than Melbourne. Well the participation is and Melbourne has had a team for 25 years.

I think there has to be more of an effort to grow the grassroots and not just have an NRL outpost

 

[Perth Red]

20k crowds would be incredible impressive in Adelaide

Don’t need that, need 14-15k crowds, 20k members. But I agree Adelaide will be a bigger risk and is why if I was going to readmit the bears anywhere it’d probably be there.

 

[Perth Red]

But the cut through in Perth is arguably better than Melbourne. Well the participation is and Melbourne has had a team for 25 years.

I think there has to be more of an effort to grow the grassroots and not just have an NRL outpost

WA has always been the third biggest RL state in the country. Even more reason it’s ludicrous the Reds were cut and the game left to die here. Melbourne was always a harder sell for RL. The success of the storm on the field coupled with the investment by news ltd and then nrl in their early embryonic days has given us one of the biggest most profitable nrl clubs in the comp in one of the biggest markets. Perth won’t be that hard but could be as big.

 

[Stormy weather]

Don’t need that, need 14-15k crowds, 20k members. But I agree Adelaide will be a bigger risk and is why if I was going to readmit the bears anywhere it’d probably be there.

At least they would have the backing of the leagues club then.

15,800 was the average Storm crowd last year. Melbourne is 4 times as large

 

[Stormy weather]

WA has always been the third biggest RL state in the country. Even more reason it’s ludicrous the Reds were cut and the game left to die here. Melbourne was always a harder sell for RL. The success of the storm on the field coupled with the investment by news ltd and then nrl in their early embryonic days has given us one of the biggest most profitable nrl clubs in the comp in one of the biggest markets. Perth won’t be that hard but could be as big.

The Storm were lucky with how the cards felt.

I am pro expansion, I just don’t think going to Adelaide and Perth in the next 9 years is achievable. I would preference Perth over Adelaide

 

[Perth Red]

At least they would have the backing of the leagues club then.

15,800 was the average Storm crowd last year. Melbourne is 4 times as large

There is no correlation between population size and avg nrl club attendance.

 

[Perth Red]

The Storm were lucky with how the cards felt.

I am pro expansion, I just don’t think going to Adelaide and Perth in the next 9 years is achievable. I would preference Perth over Adelaide

I think it may be if either a) the nrl commit to invest more than just the standard grant in Adelaide or b) the bears go there.

It’s very hard to know without knowing in there are investors willing to back an Adelaide club And we wont know that unless nrl puts the opportunity on the table.

if the nrl does seriously want to get to 20 clubs by 2033 then it’s got time to do some ground work before a decision has to be made on where club 20 is. Perth is ready to go as soon as nrl wants a club in.

 

[Stormy weather]

There is no correlation between population size and avg nrl club attendance.

What makes you think that Adelaide will get comparable crowds to the Storm despite being so much smaller?

They have roughly a quarter of the population and a quarter of the registered players so where is the greater engagement going to come from?