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Team list Tuesday - Rd 25 v Storm - Top 4 cup

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Stone is ok at hooker for 10 mins. Or if was an injury and forced to.
That was possibly the worse choice I've seen in a game. But to be fair who else was available?
I don't think anyone was fit.
Will Smith was on the bench. He would not have knocked on 4 times from dummy half. But the greatest of players but had a running game, had done dummy half before. It was just a dumb dumb move which cost us a chance at the title. Now he’s favouring his son on the bench.
 

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Will Smith was on the bench. He would not have knocked on 4 times from dummy half. But the greatest of players but had a running game, had done dummy half before. It was just a dumb dumb move which cost us a chance at the title. Now he’s favouring his son on the bench.

And the worst thing is, stone looks decent in first grade. Ja looks average. The apologists not long ago were defending his selection by saying he’s only a back up. Well now he’s regularly being selected on the bench. Never seen a back up half on the bench before. He’s being selected on the basis he’s a first grader. Lol.
 
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And the worst thing is, stone looks decent in first grade. Ja looks average. The apologists not long ago were defending his selection by saying he’s only a back up. Well now he’s regularly being selected on the bench. Never seen a back up half on the bench before. He’s being selected on the basis he’s a first grader. Lol.
That pass he did against the Broncos from dummy half. We were on their goal line and when he passed it I thought it would go dead on our try line leading to a dropout restart.

I’ve always maintained that JA selection would be justifiable as the back up half for an inured half. Anything else it’s nepotism at its best. And it looks like our gutless faceless management have no guts to pull the coach up about it.
 

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Is Jake the reason we are losing when he is there off the bench probably not.

But its not like he is making a difference positively out there either. We are carrying a half that just struggles to create anything around him or for himself.

Watching him play is like a person stuttering through a job interview before finally getting his words out the time has elapsed.

Jake has played 395 mins in FG this year for 2 x Try Assists, 1 x Line Break Assists, 4 x Forced line drop outs.

366 of those of mins this season are playing in the halves.

So on average this year he has a Try Assist every 183 mins so what's that 2 and quarter games per try assist.

And remember the 2 try assists came within 10 mins against a shit Manly side.

Hasn't made a line break and only had 1 LBA in 2 years of first grade going off the fox sports stats last year.

 

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Jake has played 395 mins in FG this year for 2 x Try Assists, 1 x Line Break Assists, 4 x Forced line drop outs.

366 of those of mins this season are playing in the halves.

So on average this year he has a Try Assist every 183 mins so what's that 2 and quarter games per try assist.

And remember the 2 try assists came within 10 mins against a shit Manly side.

Hasn't made a line break and only had 1 LBA in 2 years of first grade going off the fox sports stats last year.
Now do Dylan Brown 2021. No I am not comparing talents, but it's very easy to make stats favour or disfavour a player.

I think you're trying very hard to find reasons and TBH if his name was Jayden Yates a lot of people would be far more forgiving. Indeed I reckon they would be complimentary.
 

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Now do Dylan Brown 2021. No I am not comparing talents, but it's very easy to make stats favour or disfavour a player.

I think you're trying very hard to find reasons and TBH if his name was Jayden Yates a lot of people would be far more forgiving. Indeed I reckon they would be complimentary.
There's plenty of us shit-canning Makatoa's ongoing selection on the bench as well. If his name was Makahesi Arthur you'd probably be defending him as much as you're defending JA??

At least from my perspective, it's got nothing to do with JA being BA's son. I'm pretty sure I've never inferred that JA is being picked because of nepotism. Any criticism from me has been based on the fact that I don't think he's first grade standard at this stage of his career, nothing else.
 

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Now do Dylan Brown 2021. No I am not comparing talents, but it's very easy to make stats favour or disfavour a player.

I think you're trying very hard to find reasons and TBH if his name was Jayden Yates a lot of people would be far more forgiving. Indeed I reckon they would be complimentary.
Dylan had credits in the bank from the 2019 & 2020 seasons. For fans to cop a bad season in 2021.

2021 was clearly disappointing from Dylan he copped a few suspensions and makes some dumb concentration errors in attack & still does.

He made up for his shithouse attack last year by his elite defence and his ability to save numerous tries covering across similar to how Hindmarsh used too.

Dylan was always there whenever there is a line-break to save the day or at least be in the picture to save the try,
 

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That pass he did against the Broncos from dummy half. We were on their goal line and when he passed it I thought it would go dead on our try line leading to a dropout restart.

I’ve always maintained that JA selection would be justifiable as the back up half for an inured half. Anything else it’s nepotism at its best. And it looks like our gutless faceless management have no guts to pull the coach up about it.
Where’s your post complaining about Papa’s lack of effort to break from the scrum which lead to Broncos first try…….even Papa knew he stuffed up !!

Papa contributes more to our poor performances (some of defensive reads / efforts are terrible) then JA ever does….

But let’s focus on one pass from JA…..
 

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Dylan had credits in the bank from the 2019 & 2020 seasons. For fans to cop a bad season in 2021.

2021 was clearly disappointing from Dylan he copped a few suspensions and makes some dumb concentration errors in attack & still does.

He made up for his shithouse attack last year by his elite defence and his ability to save numerous tries covering across similar to how Hindmarsh used too.

Dylan was always there whenever there is a line-break to save the day or at least be in the picture to save the try,
I wouIdnt select JA in the top 17, but I also can see the reasons why he has been picked….

Eitherway, has JA ever cost us an NRL win? Has he ever been the reason we lost?

Yeah he has made errors and has a lot to learn, however whenever he has played in a losing side, he has had 16 other team mates contributing to the loss….additionally even if another player was picked in his place, they would also get bugger time game and hardly contribute to a win/loss either…
 

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Dylan had credits in the bank from the 2019 & 2020 seasons. For fans to cop a bad season in 2021.

2021 was clearly disappointing from Dylan he copped a few suspensions and makes some dumb concentration errors in attack & still does.

He made up for his shithouse attack last year by his elite defence and his ability to save numerous tries covering across similar to how Hindmarsh used too.

Dylan was always there whenever there is a line-break to save the day or at least be in the picture to save the try,
I said I wasn't comparing players, yet you just had to ramble on about Dylan and ignore the premise.

Our halves were injured and Jake selected how many times this year ? He has started 4 times in the halves because either Moses or Brown were busted. So thats the win v Newcastle, the loss v Cows, the win v Manly and the loss v Souths.

The losses vs Cows and Souths the whole team were shit. His selection (or Carty's or Matto's selection at 6) would not have changed our shitness on those days.

He was selected on the bench for the win v Titans, loss v Sharks, win v warriors, loss v Broncos and loss v Souths.

Rnd 1 He played 46 min vs Titans after Russell was analed.
Rnd 2 He did not play vs Sharks.
Rnd 18 He played 11 mins vs Warriors.
Rnd 19 He played 5 mins vs Broncos
Rnd 24 He played 13 mins vs Broncos
 

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Now do Dylan Brown 2021. No I am not comparing talents, but it's very easy to make stats favour or disfavour a player.

I think you're trying very hard to find reasons and TBH if his name was Jayden Yates a lot of people would be far more forgiving. Indeed I reckon they would be complimentary.


brown had a decent amount of talent and speed. His defense was great even in his rookie year. Even when last season he lacked in attack he well and truly held his own in d. Not sure anyone has seen anything in JA’s game to suggest his selection is warranted. Looks way off the pace in nrl. Justifying his inclusion in the team is ludicrous and bizarre. We’ve seen last semi final what happens when you carry someone into a big game totally out of position.
 

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There's plenty of us shit-canning Makatoa's ongoing selection on the bench as well. If his name was Makahesi Arthur you'd probably be defending him as much as you're defending JA??
Stupid thing to say. The nepotism apologist thing is getting boring. If you don't agree with me on something, talk footy instead of pathetic personal put-downs.
At least from my perspective, it's got nothing to do with JA being BA's son. I'm pretty sure I've never inferred that JA is being picked because of nepotism. Any criticism from me has been based on the fact that I don't think he's first grade standard at this stage of his career, nothing else.
So he should not have been selected for those 4 games when Dylan or Moses were unavailable ? Because apart from Rnd two, his bench selections have been cameo at best. He was used sparingly or not as all, just like Oregon or Carty have been a bunch of other times in the 17th benchy spot.
 

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help, doesn’t anyone know how to post a video? Can post photo but not a video, videos don’t appear in the photo library when trying to insert into post
 

Gronk

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brown had a decent amount of talent and speed. His defense was great even in his rookie year. Even when last season he lacked in attack he well and truly held his own in d.
You proved my point.
Not sure anyone has seen anything in JA’s game to suggest his selection is warranted. Looks way off the pace in nrl.
So who should have started in the halves for those 4 games ? Who else can pass and kick when needed ?
Justifying his inclusion in the team is ludicrous and bizarre.
Just as bizarre as the "anyone but Jake" policy ?
We’ve seen last semi final what happens when you carry someone into a big game totally out of position.
Are you talking about Jake playing hooker for 10 mins ? When has that cost us points or matches ?
 

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Stupid thing to say. The nepotism apologist thing is getting boring. If you don't agree with me on something, talk footy instead of pathetic personal put-downs.

So he should not have been selected for those 4 games when Dylan or Moses were unavailable ? Because apart from Rnd two, his bench selections have been cameo at best. He was used sparingly or not as all, just like Oregon or Carty have been a bunch of other times in the 17th benchy spot.
WTF - pathetic personal put-downs? Where? Did I call your post "stupid"? I simply reversed the scenario you posted earlier. While you're asserting that if JA's last name was Yates, the naysayers would be complimentary to him, I asserted by the same token you'd likely defend Makatoa stridently if his last name was Arthur.

Back to the footy talk, I'm pretty sure I've never said that JA should not have been selected when Drown or Moses were out injured. On the contrary, I was happy to see him get a go. But the bottom line is, when he was/has been given a go, he offers extremely little benefit, if not flat out detriment IMO when on the field. I can't understand why you aren't comprehending this. Maybe you're mixing me up with some of the other nepotism-pushers, but again I'll state, I haven't been critical of BA's selection of JA because they're related. I've been critical of his selection because he just isn't up to it and BA doesn't seem overly concerned about carrying a bloke in the 17 who is not up to scratch and hasn't looked outside the square to see where else we can get coverage for a half if they go down during a game, unless we consider Opacic and Carty who have both spent time on the bench as coverage for those halves during the season?

One thing we can agree on is that the JA debate is boring and I'm not inclined to add much more to it. But I'll sure as hell highlight his f**kups and his highlights on game day the same as I would for any other player.
 
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You proved my point.

So who should have started in the halves for those 4 games ? Who else can pass and kick when needed ?

Just as bizarre as the "anyone but Jake" policy ?

Are you talking about Jake playing hooker for 10 mins ? When has that cost us points or matches ?

Jake shouldn't be anywhere near the 17 or even top 40. Period
 

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