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Team list Tuesday vs Broncos at The Gabba 8pm Friday

JokerEel

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All of that is undoubtedly true, but the other factor that needs to be considered is does the improvement of relieving one fatigued player offset the fatigue you create in another player or players due to using that interchange and that spot on the bench.


I am sure Greig and Moretti could play a few extra minutes. Next year I am sure will be different with Lane back playing 80.
 

Poupou Escobar

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Joey Lussick isn’t Harry Grant, Cook or Robson. I think it comes down to who your starting 9 is and whether a replacement hooker will do a better job than the fatigued starter. In your examples, no. In our situation, absolutely yes.
If it was "absolutely yes" then he would be picked. It's not like Moretti is essential to our attack or defence. I suspect Hopgood is seen as a superior dummy half option to Hands. It's not like we don't have anyone who can cover Hopgood's role in the middle.

Hands was dropped for a reason, and we can't keep banging on about nepotism. He was very poor against Melbourne. But maybe he'll be back this week?
 

Poupou Escobar

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All of that is undoubtedly true, but the other factor that needs to be considered is does the improvement of relieving one fatigued player offset the fatigue you create in another player or players due to using that interchange and that spot on the bench.
I think it's pretty clear that any given team could go just as well with 16 players as with 17. The number of interchanges is far more important than the number of players used. After a 20+ minute breather there is surely some starting forward rested up enough that he's a better option than that week's 17th-best-player, no matter how fresh he is.
 

Poupou Escobar

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Geez Asi vs Staggs. I wonder if Drown will defend at centre in this one. I wonder if Hands is an option to defend at 6. Arthur's you cunning bastard.
 

Soren Lorenson

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Can't Agree.

Asi will be a disaster lining up against Staggs....or even against Ezra Mam.

Will have to cross fingers, toes and everything else and just hope and pray for the best....the Parramatta strategy.
I qualified my statement. Waqa is a disaster, AMS was a partial disaster last week, Lumelume is a disaster too. If we get belted down that edge it will be as much a symptom of the lack of depth/planning/resources/luck as it is the selection of any given combination that currently exists within our top 30.
 

IFR33K

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It went from covering an outside back if they went down so Dylan could move there.

Then it was mahoney needed a 10 min rest in the end of matches.

To then cover Moses for any issues he had.

Then it was if gutho went down Moses was the only solution to play FB.

Sounds typical of a ba game plan. Makes it up on the run.
 

TheParraboy

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Harry Grant plays 80 nearly every week. He hasn't played fewer than 71:


Cook and Robson also play 80 minutes nearly every week:



It seems to come down to the quality of the second best hooker in the squad rather than some arbitrary rule about the number of minutes some merkin is capable of. They are full time professionals ffs. There's 10080 minutes in a week, so they can play a full game and still have 10000 minutes to rest up for next week. Yes they will be more fatigued at the end of the game than at the start, but that's true for every player. The question is whether they are too fatigued to remain on the field, or whether someone fresh off the bench would be doing a better job. In the case of some nines, their coach seems to think they are better off playing 80. This includes Bellamy and Payten.


Yeah but do you want your.rake to be fatigued and just brush it off as "that's true for every player", considering how important his role is with service/defence ?

Is is a co-incidence, the last 3 premierships and last 2 origin winners have had a rake on the bench ?

Penrith have about the same quality of rakes as we do, cant remember them playing only one for 80min. Even when Api was there

In any case good to see Hands on the bench this week, where he should be.
 

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I like the look at that 1-17 although I think we will get towelled up
#happytobeprovenwrong
I haven't watched any Broncos games this year, however I note that they are still on top of the table. So I guess it's pointless me hoping they are shit. We go good against them sometimes (Ok not in Darwin). So we might win.
 

Bandwagon

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I think it's pretty clear that any given team could go just as well with 16 players as with 17. The number of interchanges is far more important than the number of players used. After a 20+ minute breather there is surely some starting forward rested up enough that he's a better option than that week's 17th-best-player, no matter how fresh he is.

It would depend upon the sixteen or seventeen players available.
 

Poupou Escobar

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Yeah but do you want your.rake to be fatigued and just brush it off as "that's true for every player", considering how important his role is with service/defence ?
Well if it's so important why would you want a fresh reserve grader taking minutes off your first choice player? I mean how fatigued would Lussick have to be to be less effective than a fresh Brendan Hands? I guess we'll find out.
Is is a co-incidence, the last 3 premierships and last 2 origin winners have had a rake on the bench ?
I'd say it means they can afford to have two of them good enough for the top 17. So no, not a coincidence but points more at resources than selections around team decisions. It seems to be a luxury the top teams can afford. Bellamy had two great dummy halves, got rid of one and now plays the other for 80 minutes. Surely he knows what he's doing? Garlick is back in the team this week but they don't seem to go any better with him than without him. Small sample, but they actually go worse.
 

hindy111

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Joey showed us what a real number 9 can do with his scoots out of dummy half, not sure what his stats were but I'd say he made good meters.

Hands is a utility that can fill in and probably a decent 14 one day but Joey is the real deal at 9 for mine.

For once, a decent move by our "transfer and retentions committee" or whatever the f**k they call themselves.

Lussick takes off like a turtle. A few times he went formit close to the line and ruined our chances of scoring.
I'm not sold on him
 

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