Team v Bulldogs

[Big Marn]

Tui scored a try from deep hitting the hole like a fullback? No he scored it from the ruck/dummy half like A HALF.

pretty weak argument tbh. lots of players score from dummy half that arent necessarily the hooker or the halves. For example, Kata has scored 2 or 3 tries this year from dummy half. Are you saying he is a half?

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

Wow what an idiot, I hope you aren't taking yourself seriously.

Your xxxxx an idiot, you should be ashamed lol.

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

So by your logic, Jono Wright is really good in the air? Despite the fact that we've seen him drop really simple uncontested catches? Or did you just start watching League this year? My grandmother could have scored from that kick, it was perfect (granny is fairly athletic for her age though).

Was using Hingano as example of a better long term way to use Tui.

"Tui was way better at 6 then at 1" - except when he was at 1 he scored, out of DH (halves play 1st & 2nd receiver buddy, not DH - a fullback is just as likely to jump into DH), and came into the backline 3 out from the ruck (like a modern fullback does) and created the overlap for the 2nd Ayshford try.

You talk about me not knowing League when it is quite evident that descriptor perfectly suits you.

You still can't admit he is a better half than a outside back. You don't know nothing about League. Come and do my job as a bookie and see why we do so well.

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

pretty weak argument tbh. lots of players score from dummy half that arent necessarily the hooker or the halves. For example, Kata has scored 2 or 3 tries this year from dummy half. Are you saying he is a half?

Fair point. I'm just saying Tui is a better half something I've been saying all along and everyone's been saying no he's good at wing and the Tui went to half last night and that sparked it. It's just was I was saying AND so many others.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

You still can't admit he is a better half than a outside back. You don't know nothing about League. Come and do my job as a bookie and see why we do so well.

Mate, take this sort of rubbish elsewhere. It's a good forum where we concern ourselves with what the Warriors are doing, not personal nonsense like what you do to pay the bills. I'll go on the betting employees forum if I want to discuss that (ignoring the fact that I've worked as a bookmaker, and unless agencies have undergone a significant change since I was there, it's pretty implausible that there's enough time/resources/necessity to watch the same game three times)

If you think Tui is a better half, good luck to you. That's your opinion, you're allowed it. It might be pointed out that a couple of days ago you said Tui hasn't played enough in the halves to be judged, then you say he's a better half than an outside back and anyone of the opinion otherwise is a mug. But no matter.

 

[jaseg]

(ignoring the fact that I've worked as a bookmaker, and unless agencies have undergone a significant change since I was there, it's pretty implausible that there's enough time/resources/necessity to watch the same game three times)

I'll just jump in with one note - this is still true. Most (all) bookmakers will run a starting line based on an paid-for industry analysis (which takes into account statistical trends both current and historical, weighted much heavier than watching all the actual games lots of times over) and the majority of their work (and the value they derive beyond their 5-10% full market take) now comes from market-based algorithms - reacting to what the market says (including reactions to other bookmakers - easy enough when often 3 or 4 bookmaking 'brands' share the same owner - to avoid arbitrage opportunities in the market).

Anything else is too much $$$ spent for too little return.. super high industry taxes, increased competition for a limited market and a crackdown on online betting revenues (mostly where they go and how they are taxed) forces that.

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Anyway, this is just getting stupid. It was a good game. Hopefully we can nab another 2 points against the Storm before the dreaded bloody Dragons loss.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Anyway, this is just getting stupid. It was a good game. Hopefully we can nab another 2 points against the Storm before the dreaded bloody Dragons loss.

We really need to ditch that attitude regarding the Dragons (and Manly). Form in prior seasons is NOT a useful indicator of what will happen this year. If we play well, or even reasonably, we absolutely can and will beat them, they're a woeful attacking side and an average defensive one, even with our suspect defence we should easily be able to outscore them- unless we turn up believing that we can't.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

We really need to ditch that attitude regarding the Dragons (and Manly). Form in prior seasons is NOT a useful indicator of what will happen this year. If we play well, or even reasonably, we absolutely can and will beat them, they're a woeful attacking side and an average defensive one, even with our suspect defence we should easily be able to outscore them- unless we turn up believing that we can't.

100%.

Previous form against the Dragons is irrelevant by and large - it's just a silly way for newspapers to sell papers/get clicks because us simple humans buy into hoodoos. If it was winning in Perth per se, yeah that's different because it's the same challenge every time. Beating the 2010 Dragons is not the same as beating the 2016 Dragons.

If we attack like we did last night, sure up that left side D etc, we'll win. The Dragons have the worst player in the comp in their halves and his partner isn't much better. They're woeful on attack as Monkey says. I expect us to win. And well at home (?)

 

[Blair]

...Previous form against the Dragons is irrelevant by and large - it's just a silly way for newspapers to sell papers/get clicks because us simple humans buy into hoodoos. If it was winning in Perth per se, yeah that's different because it's the same challenge every time. Beating the 2010 Dragons is not the same as beating the 2016 Dragons...

Yep, and missing the finals for so long (and sometimes within a win or two, and once needing to beat the Dragons to make it) we need to put these 'hoodoos' to bed. I'm looking forward to it happening.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Yep, and missing the finals for so long (and sometimes wthin a win or two, and once needing to beat the Dragons to make it) we need to put these 'hoodoos' to bed. I'm looking forward to it happening.

That was another thing I liked about yesterday. Wellington could've been regarded as a bit of a hoodoo in itself, but they came out playing like they knew they could win. Sure they got the wobbles for a bit when RTS went off but I think that was more down to the positional reshuffling than attitude and they fixed it in the second half.

 

[Blair]

That was another thing I liked about yesterday. Wellington could've been regarded as a bit of a hoodoo in itself, but they came out playing like they knew they could win. Sure they got the wobbles for a bit when RTS went off but I think that was more down to the positional reshuffling than attitude and they fixed it in the second half.

Another 'hoodoo', mental block, whatever, is the belief that internal trouble at another club is instantly taken out on us. I'm thinking Benji's contract wranglings at the Dragons.

He's been sidelined for a while now, if he doesn't play next week then he might return, with a big point to prove, against us.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Another 'hoodoo', mental block, whatever, is the belief that internal trouble at another club is instantly taken out on us. I'm thinking Benji's contract wranglings at the Dragons.

He's been sidelined for a while now, if he doesn't play next week then he might return, with a big point to prove, against us.

Absolutely. We got done by the Tigers last year when we went into a game with that attitude re Farah as well.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

Another 'hoodoo', mental block, whatever, is the belief that internal trouble at another club is instantly taken out on us. I'm thinking Benji's contract wranglings at the Dragons.

He's been sidelined for a while now, if he doesn't play next week then he might return, with a big point to prove, against us.

Benji's past it. It's why no side will sign him for next year.

We beat the Wellington 'hoodoo' now it's time to sink the Dragons one. Whilst keeping the Storm one going.

 

[ozbash]

I'm thinking these "hoodoos" are media driven.

Any team or player who takes any notice of them should look for a new job tbh..

 

[Alan Johnson]

I don't know about that. Consider the Manly hoodoo: statistically speaking we almost never win against them. It's a fact. Somehow, after a number of seasons, we have ended up in a situation we're the stats have become distorted and start playing on our minds. Running out to face them the players would be trying not to think about it but in the back of their minds they would have doubt. Confidence is probably the single most important factor in success and it must be far more difficult to be confident when history suggests there is little basis for it.

The same concept of confidence/attitude applies to our solid record against Melbourne. The Warriors always lift when they play Melbourne, apparently. We are not a better team but through circumstance have created a folklore that works as a built-in motivational aid.

I think the Melbourne history is one of the best things about our club and it's very powerful because it gives a glimpse of what the Warriors could actually be. It's not about winning an losing so much as the fact that the games are always hard fought. And I think that happens mainly because that's what the players *expect* to happen.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

I think it's a bit of both. But the players need to learn to snap the negative ones because in the case of manly and St George there's nothing special about those teams and how they play- we lose because WEbdrop the bundle against them, largely. I'll give St George one thing though, WIN in Wollongong is quite the fortress. But we should at least beat them in Auckland.

 

[Alan Johnson]

The Manly team we played last week was as weak as I can remember them being. We bottled it completely.

 

[JJ]

Most of those teams engage in a grind - if we're not up for it (seldom are we) - we lose.

Manly surprises me a bit, because the Warriors usually lift for the glamour occasions, that said the Manly team of recent years (not this year obviously) have been stellar.

I expected us to play better against the Dogs - simply they had to. I am not sure it meant anything to be honest - the Dogs were on a short turnaround and are ridiculously up an down at the moment.

 

[JJ]

Mate, take this sort of rubbish elsewhere. It's a good forum where we concern ourselves with what the Warriors are doing, not personal nonsense like what you do to pay the bills. .

Yeah, this