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Team v Panthers- Trial 2

mt.wellington

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Warriors vs Panthers player ratings

22. KEVIN LOCKE 8/10
Didn?t make any mistakes in the fullback position, returned the ball well and scored a try from good support play. Appears to be over his injury woes and his ability to read the game was a welcome sight for fans.

2. BILL TUPOU 6/10
Solid for the most part and strong under the high ball, a couple of areas including a bombed try late on soured his performance.
3. DANE NIELSEN 7/10
Showed his class with ball in hand, creating good chances for his wingers through the early stages and was strong on defence. Will be a welcome sight for Warriors fans who have been calling for a class centre.
4. KONRAD HURRELL 6/10
Didn?t create his usual drama for the opposing defence but threated a few times. Appeared to sustain a knock early on which saw him leave the field for a while, defence continues to be the big problem for Konrad.
25. MANU VATUVEI 7/10
Scored a classy try early on from good anticipation off a Shaun Johnson kick and then set Kevin Locke up later, looked solid under the high ball.
6. THOMAS LEULUAI 7/10
Was consistent throughout the entire game, got some decent kicks away under heavy pressure from the Panthers and looked comfortable in his playmaking duties. Impressive in defence where he produced some classic big hits.
7. SHAUN JOHNSON 7/10
Produced a spectacular off-the-cuff play for the first try. Was typically troubling for Penrith defenders throughout but was guilty of going missing for short periods. Some good kicks in play.
15. JACOB LILLYMAN 6/10
Had some damaging runs early on in the match and along with Matulino was the team?s best going forward.
14. ELIJAH TAYLOR 7/10
Played most of the game at hooker where he was steady, a good passing game and strong ruck defence were among his positive points, doesn?t add a lot of spark in attack but made few mistakes all game.
10. BEN MATULINO 7/10
Bent the line with some classic Ben10 hitups, was a real x-factor throughout the game, could be set for another big year as a leader in the Warriors pack.
16. BEN HENRY 6/10
Limited game time contributed to him only getting a 6 rating, went about his work in the backrow without too much fuss, didn?t make any obvious errors.
12. SIMON MANNERING 7/10
His defence in the middle of the field was as strong as ever, didn?t add much in attack but that was never what his role was about, a typically consistent performance.
13. FELETI MATEO 6/10
A little quiet with the ball in hand, looked to play plenty of minutes with ease, showing increased fitness from past years.
1. DOMINIQUE PEYROUX 4/10
The new recruit had a tough day at the office, including a big miss on defence which lead to a Panthers try, and then gave the ball away with a silly offload, is a quality player who simply had a bad game.
8. JOHN PALAVI 6/10
Went about his work strongly in the middle, his defence was tight and he did the job asked of him, has a big future at the club and will only get better.
17. PITA GODINET 7/10
Made an obvious difference when he entered the game in the last quarter, troubled the defence when he had ball in hand and showcased his quick feet on a few occasions, is presenting a strong case to start in round one.
18. ALEHANA MARA 6/10
Failed to excite too much in attack, however gave good service from dummy half and was strong in defence.
21. NGANI LAUMAPE 7/10
Came on for Tupou late on and made an instant impact with a try where his speed was clear to see. Produced a nice grab to save a try under the high ball and looked solid, a real possibility to be the right winger come round one.
9. CARLOS TUIMAVAVE 7/10
Much like Godinet his impact off the bench was telling, played centre and was good in attack. Perhaps more pleasing however was his defensive effort, made a few nice tackles and looked to be reading the game well.
20. SAM LOUSI 6/10
A little quiet by his standards, hit the ball up well without ever really breaking the line, looked to perhaps be carrying a niggling injury, was reliable in defence.
23. SEBASTINE IKAHIHIFO 7/10
Was quality in defence, making good reads and missing few tackles. Showed he has plenty of speed and ability with ball in hand, yet another gifted forward to come from the Warriors junior system.
26. GLEN FISIIAHI 7/10
Was disappointing in last week?s trial but performed admirably on the left wing against the Panthers. Scored a nice try and very nearly set another up, wasn?t tested too much in defence though. Spent limited time at fullback and looked decent.
11. SIO SIUA TAUKEIAHO 7/10
A quiet achiever throughout the game, put in plenty of effort to be in the right place at the right time, didn?t let anyone down and was solid in all aspects of the game.
5. CHARLIE GUBB 6/10
Was quiet throughout the game and never really damaged the Panthers defence. In fairness however his defensive technique was good and overall he didn?t get much game time to showcase his skill set, is a player who has plenty to offer the Warriors in 2013.

Saw a slightly different game to the one above...

22. KEVIN LOCKE 9.5/10
Warriors Man of the Match IMO. There werent many plays both defensively and offensively that he wasnt in the frame somewhere. Absolutely stoked to see him playing at 100% fitness. Still has all the tenacity and hunger of a starving bear. He was everywhere chasing everything. Did see him miss one crucial tackle that led directly to a try though

2. BILL TUPOU 1/10
Not a fan even during the best of times but his performance was absolutely woeful. It was truly terrible! He butchered every oppurtunity afforded to him both on defence and attack. Dropped at least 3 passes. One being a sitter for a try. Another was a fumbled bomb. Missed a stack of tackles with at least 2 leading directly to tries. The whole right edge defence was AWOL for most of the game which cant all be blamed on Tupou but certainly a large part can be attributed to him. Note to opposition teams, right edge is try alley.
3. DANE NIELSEN 9/10
Very close candidate for the Warriors MoM award. His ability to rush out of the line and stop play dead was as refreshing as it was impressive to witness. Thanks largely to his defensive efforts, the left edge was a fortress and every attack was stifled bar one try that I remember being scored down that side. Certainly made Manu's job alot easier by allowing him to only have to focus on his opposite number. Class player who will very quickly become a fan favourite.
4. KONRAD HURRELL 4/10
Still has the attacking capabilities that have endeared him to most fans but his defence still sucks! He has improved a little bit but against a world class centre he will no doubt be humiliated (Panthers #3 I think was Naiqama did have an awesome game though). As mentioned earlier, the whole right edge had more holes than a secondhand dart board and needs to be fixed pronto or we fans are in for another long season...
25. MANU VATUVEI 7/10
Manu is looking really sharp and seems to have regained some speed that was sorely missing last season. Had some great touches and his first try was stunning. His defence was alot better with a classy centre in Dane next to him. Looks like he may have recaptured his form of old (the good form that is) and I expect a good season from him.
6. THOMAS LEULUAI 8/10
They dont call him 'shoulders' for nothing! He has a great tackling technique and was pretty solid for most of the game. All fears that his ESL experiance wouldnt cut it in the NRL were soon allayed as he got about his work with both skill and heart. Spent the whole game finger pointing and being very vocal. Natural leader. TBH he didnt offer too much in attack but was a great distributor of the ball. I question if 6 is his best position and whether he wouldnt be better off serving the team in the hooker jersey. One thing that cant be questioned is his ability and he is a great addition to the team.
7. SHAUN JOHNSON 6/10
His chip, regather, then chip out wide to Manu to score the opening try was simply breathtaking! Had it have been during a regular NRL game it would already be bookmarked for try of the year. Still has the magic that we all know he is capable of producing. Was made to work alot in his new role and he is a little way off fully owning it but he was good enough on the day. Has put on bulk and was a little more effective when he took the ball to the line and in tackles. Defence is still hit and miss but has improved somewhat. His goal kicking however is just not up to scratch unfortunately. Think he converted 1/4. 3 were from the sideline and were really close on 2 occasions but at the end of the day he missed and we will lose afew games this season if he cant get his accuracy up to the 75% benchmark thats required. Hope we have a plan B on hand if he doesnt work out in this regard.
15. JACOB LILLYMAN 8/10
As always Lillyman was his dependable self and hitup the ball with his usual error free ferocity. Still offers little in the way of 2nd phase play but he does his main job and basics as good as anyone in the competition. He will only get better as Origin season approaches.
14. ELIJAH TAYLOR 6/10
Average score for an average game. Despite my best wishes as a Taylor fanboi, he didnt really fire at hooker. Dont get me wrong, he wasnt bad and had some good scoots from dummy but he was lacking a little flair. His passing wasnt too bad but did miss the mark on afew occasions. Still a defensive beast but needs to work on his stopping power. Has improved his success rate though. Should get another chance at rake but I wont be holding my breath for any major improvements in attack. Hope he proves me wrong! At least get the basics right.
10. BEN MATULINO 9/10
Monster! Hasnt missed a beat and has picked up right were he left off last year. Bent the line everytime. His hitups were, as usual, all powerful and full of his cruel disregard for his own personal wellbeing. Was an absolute handful for the opposition middle and was even able to stand and offload a couple times with 3 defenders hanging off him. Probably the last thing I will ever have to say about a performance of his cause I think we all know what he will bring to the 2013 table. Ben's the man!
16. BEN HENRY ?/10
Cant remember much about him TBH? Didnt even notice he came on.
12. SIMON MANNERING 7/10
As always, tackled anything that moved. Did miss at least one tackle and was part of the right hand defence. Suppose you cant do it all. Should have played centre on defence. Would have stopped the bleeding of points alot better.
13. FELETI MATEO 5.5/10
Was surprisingly ineffective for most of the game. He looked to be trying to play as a 3rd half but the end result was he actually cut the playing area of our real halves in, well, half! Especially for Johnson. Needs to just run it straight, hit the line, then look to offload. During the trial I felt he was drifting sideways too often. A couple of his offloads were wild and went to ground. Its almost as if he was trying too much. Hope Elliot can better define his role because right now its all over the place. Still has the goods though and showed afew moments of brilliance but was below par for a player of his calibre.
1. DOMINIQUE PEYROUX 2/10
Was told by a Titans fan that DP was a solid defender. Based on the trial just gone, nothing could be further from the truth. The limited time he did have was full of glaring errors that had all spectators letting out audible groans. He had a shocker and only further contributed to the nightmare that was our right edge. Dont think he had a single good moment. He slipped off Naiqama I think it was like he was covered head to toe in a mixture of butter and grease. Panthers scored. Hoping he gets a run against the Broncos in Dunedin so I have another performance to base an opinion on. Heres hoping it was just an off day for him.
8. JOHN PALAVI ?/10
Didnt even notice him TBH. Probably not a bad thing as he wouldnt have made an error.
17. PITA GODINET 7/10
Had some nice touches on attack. Great ball skills and showed a some great attacking ability. Really nippy little runner. Defence is still an issue though.
18. ALEHANA MARA 6/10
Have to disagree with everything that the original reviewer thought of Mara. For me it was the opposite. He looked great at hooker and had the ball skills Taylor was missing. Looked alot more natural and composed. Troubled the line a couple times during his brief stint. Still has defensive issues but he has come a long way in that regard. Looks to have bulked up abit which had a positive effect in his overall game. Certainly put his hand up and will be pushing for spot come round 1. Needs to back it up in Dunedin.
21. NGANI LAUMAPE 8/10
Laumape's substitution of Tupou on the right wing couldnt have come any sooner. His efforts had an immediate influence and helped lift the defensive and attacking potency up on the right edge markedly. His eagerness and fire were a welcome relief and he showed alot of class for a first grade rookie. Scored a try as a result. At this stage I would have him starting at #2 for the trial in Dunners. Needs to be given a good half of play to test him out. If he can shine against a class outfit like the Broncos then he'll select himself come round 1.
9. CARLOS TUIMAVAVE 7/10
Has a great passing game and was able to put Manu into a gap who passed it back inside to setup a try for Locke. I think he still has some defensive issues. Missed at least one tackle due to a lame upper body jersey grab. Just needs to put more effort in to executing his tackles and he'll be right up there as a possible top 17 prospect. Still early days for Tuimavave but he already shows glimpses of brilliance.
20. SAM LOUSI 7/10
Another player I have to disagree on. Thought he was solid during his stint and had some great hitups. Still learning to use that montrous frame of his but he's definately improved his footwork from last season. Needs to up his workrate and the speed of his hitup. Looking good all up.
23. SEBASTINE IKAHIHIFO 8/10
This 'kid' is a beast and IMO will be a force to be reckoned with in the near future. Has shades of menace and mongrel to him that I love. Solid runner, solid defender. Bent the line and players when he was involved. Nothing but praise for his game. Would also like to see him up his workrate. Definately put his case forward in the best possible way.
26. GLEN FISIIAHI 7/10
Thought he went great for the little time he spent on the field. I could be wrong but Im sure he had that fire back thats been missing since his debut. Still got the pace we all know and love and used it to great effect. Hopefully he's found some confidence and heart in the preseason cause may well be needed on the wing or fullback.
11. SIO SIUA TAUKEIAHO 7/10
This guy sure knows how to hit the line. Reminded me of Pricey with his hard straight runs with the little step before impact. We certainly arent short on willing forwards.
5. CHARLIE GUBB 7.5/10
Was the surprise package for me. He's actually a really good player and can hitup and tackle like a seasoned pro. Love his hitups and can watch them all day. Didnt get much game time but he would have to be one of the leading candidates for the open prop spot IMO. Looking forward to seeing him go next week as well.


OVERVIEW 6/10
We looked a little disjointed for most of the game. Definately need to work on the teams overall cohesion.

Defence is looking like its still an issue for the team. We dont seem to be coming off our line at times and hopefully Elliot will work on this. In all fairness though if we get the righthand to play their part then we will have hit a great deal of our defensive troubles on the head. Konrad and Tupou can never be allowed to partner up again, ever!

Forwards are catching the ball far too flat footed. Need to run on to it. At times they were also too bunched and we probably relied on the one out shotguns too often. Its early days. The props are looking really good all up though. Would like to see more effort in terms of our support play and for some of the young guys to lift their workrate. Also want to see abit more control in the offload. At times during the trial players were just offloading for the sake of offloading. Had more of a detrimental effect then anything.

The support play is also lacking. Most of our offloads were either going to ground or being caught by a player who was standing still. Most cost us metres.

Hooker role still has a question mark over it. Mara for mine but I think Tayor should be given another shot at the job. Mara will still need a sub anyway so theres still hope for Taylor yet.

Based off his last performance I would drop Tupou. He will probably get to have another chance to redeem himself next week and he's going to need to turn it on big time. Like I said, I dont rate the guy and never have but I certainly wouldnt wish him to fail either so hopefully he can find his normally safe (but average and flairless) game again.

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Good analysis Mt Wellington. Welcome along.

If you put Leuluai in at hooker who would you put at half? Is Godinet good enough?
Who would you partner Nielsen with at center?
I thought your comments about Mateo could equally well have applied to his all-stars game.

Next weeks trial is going to be very interesting. Glad it's televised.
 

vvvrulz

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Sick and tired of seeing the words "Bill Topou" and "solid".
Its time for him to deliver more than just solid or be Vulcanized.
 
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Drzoidberg

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I went to the game and didn't think it was all bad.

Leuluai was solid. Calming the team at times. Great to watch.

Mateo and Johnson still trying way too hard or not at all.

Locke OMG want to say he's back but that was one performance. Playing like he's got something to prove again. Yay!

The fish was osome on the wing. And he made a mean dominant one on one tackle on Simmons, I think.

Neilson really showed his class, that side look so solid in D when the spread the ball that side. That side looked impenetrable, even with Johnson.

The other side was same old same with tupou and peyroux tackling like they just finished their shift in the butter factory.

But when they took tupou off it seemed to toughen them up a bit.

Who replaced him? Made an awesome catch to save a try.


Taylor Taylor Taylor. Pulled of a no look pass for once but f**ked up so many. Passing the wrong way. Passing too high. Passing too low. He can't pass for shite.

Mara looked like god compared to him.

I'd say that first half was largely thanks to that right side D and friggin back to back to back penalties for holding down and Manus pathetic arm bump deemed to be a shoulder charge.


One humongous positive is we didn't give up and finished strongly. We definitely gelled over the course of the game.
 

Iafeta

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Interesting to see Panfa numpty's circle jerking to the sweet justification of beating Matt Elliott in a trial...
 

soc123_au

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Interesting to see Panfa numpty's circle jerking to the sweet justification of beating Matt Elliott in a trial...

No circle jerk. We are laughing with you not at you. It is all too familiar. I hope Elliott comes good for you guys, he seems a really decent bloke. But a Leopard & its spots, time will tell.
 

Rich102

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Some good photos from Hamilton in The Mad Butcher's Newsletter. PM Ozbash to get the subscribe details.
 

Rich102

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Warriors coach Matt Elliott has plenty of work ahead of him if he's to well and truly put last year's horror show to bed.
This week there will be lots for the players and coaching staff to mull over after the 32-18 NRL trial loss to the Penrith Panthers at Waikato Stadium on Saturday.
The Warriors, with their big guns back, were well outplayed in their second pre-season outing and have just this weekend's match against the Brisbane Broncos in Dunedin to sort things out before their first game of the regular season on March 9.
In immaculate conditions and in front of a crowd of 12,000, it was the Panthers who were the more clinical and they dominated the contest, but some Shaun Johnson magic opened the hosts' account in the seventh minute.
With his team pushed backwards towards the 40-metre line, the skilful halfback chipped and regathered before kicking wide for Manu Vatuvei, who produced a fantastic put-down when diving and reeling in the ball.
But four unanswered tries had the Panthers in control.
Former Warrior Lewis Brown nicely drew and passed for winger Josh Mansour to finish in the left corner, then on quarter time Brown himself scored, as he jogged in under the bar, following a great break from centre Wes Naiqama.
The Panthers were quick to extend their lead in the second quarter, with Warriors winger Bill Tupou spilling a high ball after a solid hit from Naiqama.
The ball came out to Brown who finished with an acrobatic forward roll in the left corner.
After triple success on the left, the Panthers found points on the right, with winger David Simmons showing a clean pair of heels in a sideline burst.
The visitors were nearly in again right on halftime after another nice interchange from Brown and Naiqama had their team surge up-field, but Tupou produced a try-saving tackle, leaving the scoreline at 22-4 in Penrith's favour at the long break.
Warriors winger Ngani Laumape, who is still eligible for the Junior side, crossed to get his team back in it, but five minutes later the hosts invited the Panthers back down their end when a pass went to ground and was scooped up by five-eighth Lachlan Coote who ran away for an easy finish.
Going nowhere on attack with several static plays, the Warriors were sparked back to life by a 40-metre run from Vatuvei, who fed Kevin Locke for a super finish in the left corner.
Down 28-12 at three-quarter time, the Warriors were forced to fight back.
In the 67th minute they narrowed the margin thanks to a Johnson chip kick finding winger Glen Fisiiahi on the full.​

Johnson then nailed his first conversion on his fourth attempt to bring his side back within 10.
The crowd brought out the Warriors chant to try to propel the team home, but the Panthers had the final say when they created a massive overlap for Geoff Daniela to cross with four minutes left.
Elliott was pleased with new club members Dane Nielsen and Thomas Leuluai, while some younger players also earned praise.
"I thought young Seb [Sebastine Ikahihifo] was outstanding and I thought Ngani [Laumape] looked like a first grader. Carlos [Tuimavave], I was a lot happier with him this week as well. So there was a few guys that really stuck their hand up."
However, the coach said his side was hindered on attack, which came about through slow play of the balls.
"Because our ruck speed was slow, our kickers were kicking under pressure all the time," Elliott said. "We did end up on a sideline on play five a few times which is not what we planned to do. We need to work on the systems of play we've got and help them play with a bit more fluency, and they also need to follow them."
Elliott said a lot of time had already been focused on addressing ruck speed, but admitted more had to be done and the coaching of it needed to improve.
Another thing the Warriors will quickly want to fine-tune is who will take on the hooking role in the absence of the injured Nathan Friend.
Alehana Mara and Pita Godinet are nippy options, while usual backrower Elijah Taylor spent more time there on Saturday.
"He looked tired though, he's been working out it's a demanding position," Elliott said. "So if he does spend time there we're going to have to work out who's next, so we've got a bit of head scratching to do there at the moment."
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/8316134/Warriors-show-spark-but-much-work-remains
 
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KeepingTheFaith

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This weeks trial will be interesting, especially now that it's going to be shown on TV.

At the moment I'm hopeful but not that confident.

From what I saw of the Panthers trial most of our tries came from out of nowhere off individuals, while a few of their tries came of the back of some of our bonehead play.

Hoping it's just rust, but it doesn't feel like too many lessons were learnt from last year.
 

broncos2010

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I think you guys are in for a very long year.

Your halves are the biggest issue.

Johnson is a confidence type of player and losing Malloney who was controlling the ship for you last couple years is a big blow.


I still think Warriors should try play Mateo at 5/8
 

KeepingTheFaith

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I think you guys are in for a very long year.

Your halves are the biggest issue.

Johnson is a confidence type of player and losing Malloney who was controlling the ship for you last couple years is a big blow.


I still think Warriors should try play Mateo at 5/8

Warriors might struggle, but losing Maloney won't be the reason.
 

ozbash

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I think you guys are in for a very long year.

Your halves are the biggest issue.

Johnson is a confidence type of player and losing Malloney who was controlling the ship for you last couple years is a big blow.


I still think Warriors should try play Mateo at 5/8

f**k off
 

ozbash

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This weeks trial will be interesting, especially now that it's going to be shown on TV.

At the moment I'm hopeful but not that confident.

From what I saw of the Panthers trial most of our tries came from out of nowhere off individuals, while a few of their tries came of the back of some of our bonehead play.

Hoping it's just rust, but it doesn't feel like too many lessons were learnt from last year.


I was thinking that, with the cameras there is nowhere to hide..

I'm expecting a good game... I hope :oops:
 

Fufu Andronez

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I think you guys are in for a very long year.

Your halves are the biggest issue.

Johnson is a confidence type of player and losing Malloney who was controlling the ship for you last couple years is a big blow.


I still think Warriors should try play Mateo at 5/8

No no no no! Just no.
 

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