Team v Panthers

[Iron Lion]

God you're a dick... St George are woeful on attack and still scored pts and could have scored more - Mannering plays as soon as ready

I'd not be rushing Manu, Thompson, Lisone or Vete back at all - those that played deserve another go

Matulino is different - he needs a wake up call, but he's just a world class forward

Hurrell should be released immediately - f**k him - that would send another signal...

Mannering shouldnt play, we are weaker with him out there. Palavi gets his place, he carries the ball with purpose, unfortunately Mannering is a wasted play every time he gets the ball. He completely unbalances our pack on the field when it comes to attack.

 

[JJ]

Mannering shouldnt play, we are weaker with him out there. Palavi gets his place, he carries the ball with purpose, unfortunately Mannering is a wasted play every time he gets the ball. He completely unbalances our pack on the field when it comes to attack.

Pretty much rubbish - he's not dynamic on attack - but unlike Thompson he doesn't miss 6 tackles a game. He makes others better

 

[Blair]

My view is that if Manu played well in reserves (and had a good attitude on and off the field) then he should slot back into 'his' wing position over his cover, Wright.

He's been a great servant for what seems a lifetime and ending his Warriors career in any other way but a great send off shouldn't happen. He's too good a player, and man, for that. We also must be a better club than that, seeming as we're talking club culture right now.

 

[Penrose_11]

1. Fusitua
2. Allwood
3. Ayshford
4. Kata
5. Manu
6. Lolohea
7. Johnson
8. Liliman
9. Tevaga
10. Gavet
11. Mannering
12. Hoffman
13. Palavi

Luke, Mutalino, Gubb, Sipley

Luke to provide impact. About 20 mins in today, Tevaga and Luke were both on the field and it went well.
Mutts to keep the Gavet early effort going in support of Lilimans effort.
Gubb and Sipley to provide those short impact minutes from the bench.

Mannering to come in for his superior defence.
Lolohea to play at 6. That's what we all wanted last week until his injury. Not tough on Robson, as better player has to play. Robson had good game today not playing 1st reciever. He supported Johnson well today.

Lane, Lousi and Wright all drop out and replaced by Mannering, Mutalino and Manu. Manu is lucky but who else is up to it? Maumalo not really up to it for mine. And Wright is shit!!!

 

[TheStrategist]

No offense to any warriors fans but I think your coach is doing the right thing in dropping a few players to reserves.. in particular Vatuvai's defense against Koroibete in the storm match was just terrible.. it's like he wasn't even trying

 

[Juju]

If you want the team to keep winning then keep Simon Mannering the hell away from them. He wrecks our team on attack.

Palavi and Tevaga showed more in that one game than simon has in the last 3 seasons. Dont punish them. TODAY WAS A WAKE UP CALL.

If Simon comes back we LOSE.

Are you trolling? Get off Vietch's dick and stop coming in with these lame hysterical - way over the top calls, they make you look worse than a Facebook commentator?
Your posts are straight up embarrassing. You're still as credible as when you said Watmough was coming here you complete muppet.

 

[Juju]

Konrad was in tears at the end of the reggies game - unlikely he'd be around next week Id say!

 

[KeepingTheFaith]

A couple of weeks ago our attack was second to the Cowboys in points scored.

But yeah, let's keep Mannering out of the team because we need more offense, more offense, MORE OFFENSE!

 

[Big Marn]

Manu has been a wonderful servant for the warriors but i think his time is up.
Hes had over 10years to improve his defense and its just not up to NRL standard. He may need to move into the forwards to keep his role. No other "successful" team relies on a giant winger to bulldoze over in the corner. They have wings with a wider range of skills. They can turn on a dime (Manu cant) and they can read attacks better and not rush out leaving acres of space for the opposing winger to coast in.
For all his pros (huge meters starting the set and scoring impossible tries in the corners) the cons (ie lack of skills required for the modern winger) far outweigh them.
The time has come for Manu to make way on the wing and either adjust to a forward role, or retire, just as Ruben Wiki transformed from a centre to a 2nd rower to a prop over the years . It can be done and maybe he needs to think of what the teams needs are. Tony Williams is another example of a giant winger that moved into the 2nd row successfully.

 

[RHYTHM AND STEALTH]

Konrad was in tears at the end of the reggies game - unlikely he'd be around next week Id say!

See ya Konnie
No one to blame but himself

 

[Meth]

Manu has been a wonderful servant for the warriors but i think his time is up.
Hes had over 10years to improve his defense and its just not up to NRL standard. He may need to move into the forwards to keep his role. No other "successful" team relies on a giant winger to bulldoze over in the corner. They have wings with a wider range of skills. They can turn on a dime (Manu cant) and they can read attacks better and not rush out leaving acres of space for the opposing winger to coast in.
For all his pros (huge meters starting the set and scoring impossible tries in the corners) the cons (ie lack of skills required for the modern winger) far outweigh them.
The time has come for Manu to make way on the wing and either adjust to a forward role, or retire, just as Ruben Wiki transformed from a centre to a 2nd rower to a prop over the years . It can be done and maybe he needs to think of what the teams needs are. Tony Williams is another example of a giant winger that moved into the 2nd row successfully.

Based on what?

It's not like he's been playing badly...and who are you playing ahead of him? Wright? Maumolo? I get that Allwood always goes well, but Vatuvei is our best winger.

 

[Big Marn]

Based on what?

It's not like he's been playing badly...and who are you playing ahead of him? Wright? Maumolo? I get that Allwood always goes well, but Vatuvei is our best winger.

I would dispute he is our best winger as i outlined in the previous post.
His defensive frailties and dropped ball in hitups at the wrong time cost us more in points on the scoreboard than he provides in tries.
Its the perfect time to try new blood. Wells played pretty good today and is progressing well, and i would pick him in my team for Penrith. I would have Fusitua (if Tui comes back in time) on one wing and either Alwood or Wells on the other.
There is still a spot in the team for Manu if he wants to work in the forwards like Ruben Wiki and Tony Williams and other converted wingers have done in the past.

 

[jaseg]

You give the evidence that Manu has defensive frailties as a reason to take him off the wing, but then you essentially ask him to make more tackles? Ditto for dropped balls (asking him to make more carries). Both carries & tackles are easier in-field, that's true - but the increased volume counters that significantly.

He's still a very good winger - at our club only Fusitua has any sort of claim of being a better one. We need him there more than we need him in the pack, where we have plenty of edge forward quality. Kata still needs to learn the draw and pass to him occasionally though..

Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating he walk back into the team (see previous post/s in this thread), but he's certainly valuable for us on the wing over the whole season (and likely beyond).

 

[Big Marn]

You could keep him on the wing as a stopgap measure if you are certain we have no wingers in the midst that we can replace him with. Maybe we need to recruit. Wouldnt mind Valentine Holmes or some one like that there. But you will never win a premiership with Manu on one wing. Wont happen. He gets exposed too easily by smart players and in an NRL Final, you just cant afford to have a liability on the wing.
What we should be aiming for is a back 3 that are multiskilled in that they can also play at fullback if required. So far we have 3 in the team at a high enough level (RTS, Tui and Fusitua). Everyone wants Tui at 6 so we still need to find another winger with fullback skills, just like all the other good teams. Manu cant play at fullback. Henare Wells can play both fb and wing as can Allwood. If we have a strategic plan, either they will be the 3rd player in the back 3 or we find some one else.
Short term, you can keep Manu there but longterm he is not what we require to foot it with the best teams.

 

[Iron Lion]

Oh No, JuJu is Simon Mannerings wife.

Cant you see Mannering is a major reason we lose? isnt it clear and obvious?

Im kind of stunned you guys watch league for all these years and yet you think he actually improves our side. The days of having just defenders in your squad are gone. You cant afford to carry just a defensive 2nd rower especially an 80min one anymore.

Mannerings have been breed out of the game except at the Warriors - figures......

 

[Shaun Hewitt]

Interesting one,
Coming off a win, do you want to tinker too much? Are these big name players a show in for their spots? The guys who just played didn't do much/anything to be dropped.

For me

1. Fusitua
2. Allwood
3. Ayshford
4. Kata
5. Manu
6. Lolohea/Hingano/Lino
7. Johnson
8. Lillyman
9. Tevaga
10. Gavet
11. Lane
12. Hoffman
13. Palavi

14 Luke
15 Sipley
16 Matulino
17 Gubb

Changes I'd make

Manu in for Wright.

Robson I would drop, hard really on him as that was probably his best game for us. He isn't going to direct us to the title this year, I don't want him to block the development of one of the three guys I've mentioned

Other than that, Matulino on the bench in place of Lousi. Purely based on his talent alone, we all know on him day he can be a premier prop and I'd like to think that being dropped to ressies and out of Kiwis should give him a bit of fire. Could look at starting in place of Gavet and give Gavet some impact - Either that or start with Gavet, give him a quick 15 mins or so, then bring him back on towards the very end of the 2nd half.

Not a bad position to be in when you consider those not mentioned

 

[Shaun Hewitt]

And someone teach Kata not to jump out the line in D so much!
Sure its great when it works, but on mulitple times today it didn't, and thankfully we were playing the Dragons and not a team like the Cowboys, Sharks or Broncos who would have had a field day with it

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Just noticed something... if we beat the Panthers and assuming the Broncos beat he Sea Eagles at Suncorp, we'll be top 8. Not bad going considering all the bullshit so far this season. Of course this being the Warriors, that probably guarantees that they'll drop their bundle and lose.

 

[vvvrulz]

And someone teach Kata not to jump out the line in D so much!
Sure its great when it works, but on mulitple times today it didn't, and thankfully we were playing the Dragons and not a team like the Cowboys, Sharks or Broncos who would have had a field day with it

God that's annoying, would have cost us a try if the bunker wasn't geniused

 

[vvvrulz]

I said it in the game thread and I'll say it again, I will not shed a tear if everybody absent on Sunday never plays for the Warriors again. Exceptions Mannering and Tui.

McFad was onto something dropping that lot. I don't actually care if it was orange juices till 10pm and then 2 mins late the next morning, look what happened when the whole mob was cut.

Team wise, no change other than Mannering/Lolohea to return if fit.
Everyone earned their spot and it's theirs to lose now imo

Happy to see the stupid six introduced back one at a time only if they seriously earn their stripes, none of them should be automatic.

Want to see Robson persevered with until Tui is fit, I'm a bit over Leuluai who's had plenty of chances and hasn't put in a real halves performance since 2013.

Long term (just throwing it out there):

1. Fus
2. RTS
3. Kata
4. Ayshford
5. Allwood
6. Tui (Robson)
7. Johnson
9. Tevaga/Luke rotation