Team v Tigers. round 1

[sup42]

Agree with the rest of it, but this just doesn't make sense - he's got a very chequered history is perhaps the least bad I what must have been an awful performance and played well against a makeshift lineup from the weakest team (on paper in the NRL)?? :crazy::crazy:

Gavet has a problematic past no question. He is an alcoholic, that's been published in print media. As you know he has been dumped by a bunch of clubs because of his inability to overcome that Limiting factor.

Point taken about the poor quality of opponent the Titans presented. You can only play what is in front of you....so that's not Gavet's fault.

As for standing out against the Dragons in a poor quality side....I take a different veiw.....I really respect guys that are part of a shyte team....getting hammered.... That don't lower their own standards (Mannering springs to mind....this was his testimonial game....Gavet did well to surpass him in it).

I'm not saying Gavet is better than Mannering....or anyone else for that matter....but right now the Warriors are trying to change the culture of the club...hiring players on the cheap has been the biggest shift in Doyle's term in charge.....Gavet we are told is the cheapest (2nd tier with match payments) so going off that....for all his efforts....his wage would barely cover his living expenses in Auckland.

This could be a great motivational story and a shift in how players appreciate the advantages they are given in the NRL if it comes off....certainly worth the gamble.

Unlike the Dragons bad boy come good....Gavet hasn't stomped on anyone.

Unlike Hurrell, Gavet has turned up the heat in the preseason for very little money.

He is somewhat unique....in the past we have thrown life lines to other clubs problem children ( Inu, Seymour, Mateo) I'm excited about seeing if we can reform a prodigal son of our own, that would teach the club a lot about changing attitudes IMO.

 

[shiznit]

I've found the reaction to Johnson wearing 6 very interesting....

Overall nothing much will change... Johnson was never truly a halfback in a traditional sense... He fed the ball in to the scrum i suppose... But Townsend and Maloney did the majority of the organising.

the 6 and 7 jerseys really mean anything these days... The vast majority of teams have each half playing an edge... With your dominant halves like Thurston able to float wherever they feel is nessasary.

As far as I can see his role in attack isn't going to change much other than he won't be feeding the scrum.

 

[ozbash]

Gavet reminds me a lot of the Titans Ryan James. Goes in hard and winds the opposition up..

 

[Wheeled Warrior]

Gavet is a mongrel and we need one of those in our pack to really rattle the opposition. Scariest Warrior in our pack

 

[Penrose Warrior]

He is somewhat unique....in the past we have thrown life lines to other clubs problem children ( Inu, Seymour, Mateo) I'm excited about seeing if we can reform a prodigal son of our own, that would teach the club a lot about changing attitudes IMO.

I love that Gavet is here, and I'm cautiously optimistic about his time with us. I just didn't expect to see him in the team sheet for round one, so he must've had one hell of a good pre-season, not been late to training etc.

Re your post about the combinations, it's too much hedge-betting. Now that they've picked a combination, it needs to be stuck with. If I see a new edge combination before round 4 I'll tear my remaining hair out. I don't see why a one-size-fits-all structure can't be implemented. These guys might not be Melbourne but they're not Cro-Magnon men either, incapable of learning anything or evolving at pace. Surely if there is a set structure, everyone is on the same page and combinations mean less?

Just so everyone knows, this will be my hobby horse all year. But that's obvious. And why wouldn't it be given it's been our major issue since day dot?

 

[JJ]

I've found the reaction to Johnson wearing 6 very interesting....

Overall nothing much will change... Johnson was never truly a halfback in a traditional sense... He fed the ball in to the scrum i suppose... But Townsend and Maloney did the majority of the organising.

the 6 and 7 jerseys really mean anything these days... The vast majority of teams have each half playing an edge... With your dominant halves like Thurston able to float wherever they feel is nessasary.

As far as I can see his role in attack isn't going to change much other than he won't be feeding the scrum.

Yep, you're bang on. I think the key thing really is Robson - he's not Peter Sterling, but we finally have a solid organising half who is a true half -(Robson is, I think, a much better organiser than Maloney or Townsend and a better player than Townsend) people poo pooed his signing, but IMO the balance is much better with him in the halves with Johnson than TL in that spot, or any of the players we've had before.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

people poo pooed his signing

Did they? I hardly saw any of that at all, certainly not on here. With TL injured, and a lot of people not rating him, Robson was an absolutely essential buy. We wouldn't be a premiership threat at all with Lolo or another untried rookie in the halves with SJ. That's how vital Robson is. He'll take a stack of pressure off Shaun. It doesn't make Robson the new Sterlo as you say, it just means he is a perfect fit for our side. And he'll bring consistency. No 10/10 games, just steady 6s and 7s.

 

[Vic Mackey]

Gavet is the worst defensive front rower I've ever seen play for the Tigers. The guy was all arms and would miss the most basic tackles every game. Having long hair and tattoos doesn't make you scary on the footy field.

Sure he runs hard (when he catches the ball) but he also likes to announce his arrival on the field by giving away a stupid penalty in his first set every time without fail.

 

[Rhino_NQ]

Gavet is the worst defensive front rower I've ever seen play for the Tigers. The guy was all arms and would miss the most basic tackles every game. Having long hair and tattoos doesn't make you scary on the footy field.

Sure he runs hard (when he catches the ball) but he also likes to announce his arrival on the field by giving away a stupid penalty in his first set every time without fail.

You have just bought yourselves a carl webb

 

[KeepingTheFaith]

Gavet is the worst defensive front rower I've ever seen play for the Tigers. The guy was all arms and would miss the most basic tackles every game. Having long hair and tattoos doesn't make you scary on the footy field.

Sure he runs hard (when he catches the ball) but he also likes to announce his arrival on the field by giving away a stupid penalty in his first set every time without fail.

Sounds like he'll fit in well here.

 

[sup42]

Gavet is the worst defensive front rower I've ever seen play for the Tigers. The guy was all arms and would miss the most basic tackles every game. Having long hair and tattoos doesn't make you scary on the footy field.

Sure he runs hard (when he catches the ball) but he also likes to announce his arrival on the field by giving away a stupid penalty in his first set every time without fail.

Yeah I hear he was pretty bad at the Tigers.
Defence has been outstanding in the preseason for the Warriors so it will be interesting to see how that plays out.
His playing conditions are very different here. He has to play well to get paid a respectable income.

 

[sup42]

I love that Gavet is here, and I'm cautiously optimistic about his time with us. I just didn't expect to see him in the team sheet for round one, so he must've had one hell of a good pre-season, not been late to training etc.

Re your post about the combinations, it's too much hedge-betting. Now that they've picked a combination, it needs to be stuck with. If I see a new edge combination before round 4 I'll tear my remaining hair out. I don't see why a one-size-fits-all structure can't be implemented. These guys might not be Melbourne but they're not Cro-Magnon men either, incapable of learning anything or evolving at pace. Surely if there is a set structure, everyone is on the same page and combinations mean less?

Just so everyone knows, this will be my hobby horse all year. But that's obvious. And why wouldn't it be given it's been our major issue since day dot?

At the start of the Gavet rumors I wouldn't have picked that he would be starting in round one.

Sao probably had the inside running of the two.

I agree they need to stick with players and let them build combinations. I also think that tailoring a defensive system to suit the players they have is a makeshift way of going about it...in lieu of importing new players that don't need special allowances.

I'm hoping we sign a defensive center and wing soon.

 

[JJ]

Did they? I hardly saw any of that at all, certainly not on here. With TL injured, and a lot of people not rating him, Robson was an absolutely essential buy. We wouldn't be a premiership threat at all with Lolo or another untried rookie in the halves with SJ. That's how vital Robson is. He'll take a stack of pressure off Shaun. It doesn't make Robson the new Sterlo as you say, it just means he is a perfect fit for our side. And he'll bring consistency. No 10/10 games, just steady 6s and 7s.

http://forums.leagueunlimited.com/showthread.php?t=449771

Not exactly resounding support

 

[jaseg]

Yeah I hear he was pretty bad at the Tigers.
Defence has been outstanding in the preseason for the Warriors so it will be interesting to see how that plays out.
His playing conditions are very different here. He has to play well to get paid a respectable income.

Understatement of the year. I've been trying to quantify just how rubbish he was in that season - ended up grabbing the season stats of every prop who played more than 400 minutes in a season for the past 3 years and dumping them into a database. Then put used markers to rank Gavet's Tigers season as a percentile.. the higher the number, the worse he ranked - 100 = worst in class, 1 = best in class... so 1 = in the top 1% and so on.

Effective Tackle % = 100 (that's right - the worst of any prop in 3 years. sounds like a winner)
Errors & Penalties Conceded per 80 mins = 98.4
Metres per run = 85.5 (and this guy was used as a low-minute impact prop.. this number usually skews the other way for them - actually that goes for all the remaining stats)
Metres per 80 minutes = 71.0
Tries, Linebreaks and Assists per 80 minutes = 88.7
Tackle Breaks & Offloads per 80 minutes = 30.6

I didn't mind as much when I thought Gavet wasn't going to get a serious chance at NRL without dominating NSW cup first... but with the shit that Cappy just pulled naming him in round fricken 1.....

 

[JJ]

but but, he has mongrel, and apparently that's what we need :crazy:

 

[Izz]

http://forums.leagueunlimited.com/showthread.php?t=449771

Not exactly resounding support

More people for it than against it in that thread...

 

[sup42]

Understatement of the year. I've been trying to quantify just how rubbish he was in that season - ended up grabbing the season stats of every prop who played more than 400 minutes in a season for the past 3 years and dumping them into a database. Then put used markers to rank Gavet's Tigers season as a percentile.. the higher the number, the worse he ranked - 100 = worst in class, 1 = best in class... so 1 = in the top 1% and so on.

Effective Tackle % = 100 (that's right - the worst of any prop in 3 years. sounds like a winner)
Errors & Penalties Conceded per 80 mins = 98.4
Metres per run = 85.5 (and this guy was used as a low-minute impact prop.. this number usually skews the other way for them - actually that goes for all the remaining stats)
Metres per 80 minutes = 71.0
Tries, Linebreaks and Assists per 80 minutes = 88.7
Tackle Breaks & Offloads per 80 minutes = 30.6

I didn't mind as much when I thought Gavet wasn't going to get a serious chance at NRL without dominating NSW cup first... but with the shit that Cappy just pulled naming him in round fricken 1.....

Interesting Statistical analysis....I appreciate the value of Stats in of themselves and appreciate their limits when Qualitative data is absent....sport has a huge mental component that Quantitative data misses.

But none the less you can safely say from what you measured that he was the worst going around.

Gavet has serious substance use issues.

A clean Gavet (talking alcohol) will be a different player to a guy playing in withdrawal.

Lets hope he stays off the juice.

I too am surprised he made round one.

 

[Meth]

I too am surprised he made round one.

Well, he's on an extended bench. I'd say whether he gets a game will depend on Thompson's niggle. Still, yeah...

 

[Vic Mackey]

Understatement of the year. I've been trying to quantify just how rubbish he was in that season - ended up grabbing the season stats of every prop who played more than 400 minutes in a season for the past 3 years and dumping them into a database. Then put used markers to rank Gavet's Tigers season as a percentile.. the higher the number, the worse he ranked - 100 = worst in class, 1 = best in class... so 1 = in the top 1% and so on.

Effective Tackle % = 100 (that's right - the worst of any prop in 3 years. sounds like a winner)
Errors & Penalties Conceded per 80 mins = 98.4
Metres per run = 85.5 (and this guy was used as a low-minute impact prop.. this number usually skews the other way for them - actually that goes for all the remaining stats)
Metres per 80 minutes = 71.0
Tries, Linebreaks and Assists per 80 minutes = 88.7
Tackle Breaks & Offloads per 80 minutes = 30.6

I didn't mind as much when I thought Gavet wasn't going to get a serious chance at NRL without dominating NSW cup first... but with the shit that Cappy just pulled naming him in round fricken 1.....

Wow my rants that year were actually correct lol

I couldn't believe he was getting a start over Seumanifangi, who has always had the makings of a good first grade prop.

 

[Shaun Hewitt]

I'm hoping we sign a defensive center and wing soon.

Wright, Ayshford, Hurell, Kata, Manu, Lolohea, Wells, Nicoll-Klodstad, Fusitua, Allwood

How many centres and wings are enough?

No more in until we clear the decks.