Team vs Raiders 3/7/16

[Alex28]

They cared - they just weren't up to it. A top 4 NRL team against a NSW Cup team.

Stop being ridiculous.

 

[Zoidberg]

Mate, fairy tales are rare and we've not seen since 2001. They were always going to find a way to lose.

It's the new norm for us, better to accept it and it makes watching and following a little easier.

How the crap is winning 2 games in a season a fairytale?! :lol:

 

[macavity]

Agree 100%. After getting to a good lead and in the box seat to win only their second game, you'd think they'd literally kill blokes to win that game.

Nope, dumb penalties, mistakes and poor options. They are comfortable with losing.

Actually don't agree with this.

It's like sex.

You can want it really badly, you can do the work to set it up - but if you don't have the experience to know what you are doing when you get her pants off, you are going to make a mess.

They made a mess.

We needed the "old head" to steer us round. But Plodkinson did what Plodkinson does.

 

[perverse]

Positives from today

- Cogger did a lot better in D.
- Sione to backrow was a huge success
- We scored points
- Pete was really good.
- Barnett
- Mamo actually had some good moments
- Rochow was good
- Watching BJ and Tapine concede Petes try was a great moment in the year for us.

Negatives

- Plodkinson
- Gagais lazy effort
- Ross was a mixed bag, to put it politely
- We're going to miss Jez next year. The idea of Bird replacing him disgusts me a little. Would like Lewis more, but appreciate that Bird is probably the better player at this point in their careers, and would be a better fit for us at lock
- Plodkinson again
- Mamo is still Mamo
- Elliott is full of plod

 

[Noname36]

I think Mullen would have made the difference today. I'm not sure whose decision it was to go for the two but usually in that situation Mullo just grabs it and gets on with it so it wouldn't have been a decision to begin with. Not sure if it was Brown or Hodko's decision but none of them seemed to have the experience/smarts to just run in and get on with it.

 

[Spot On]

Does Hodkinson actually speak on the field??

What did people think of Tapine's performance today?

 

[Caped Crusader]

They cared - they just weren't up to it. A top 4 NRL team against a NSW Cup team.

Stop being ridiculous.

Bullshit. Utter bullshit

That loss came down to 3 key plays made by guys who have played Origin. 2 were awful 5th tackle plays that handed possession and field position to the Raiders when they should have been working it out of their own end and the other was one of the laziest things I've seen from a first grade fullback ever

If those guys aren't "up to it" then the game is simply unwinable for us ever.

 

[perverse]

Does Hodkinson actually speak on the field??

What did people think of Tapine's performance today?

Lazy, just like he was here. When he had a go, he looked dangerous. Happened once or twice all game.

 

[Alex28]

Bullshit. Utter bullshit

That loss came down to 3 key plays made by guys who have played Origin. 2 were awful 5th tackle plays that handed possession and field position to the Raiders when they should have been working it out of their own end and the other was one of the laziest things I've seen from a first grade fullback ever

If those guys aren't "up to it" then the game is simply unwinable for us ever.

The experienced guys can't be everywhere doing everything. Once Canberra started throwing the ball around our defence went to shit. It wasn't lost in attack.

I counted two Origin players out there. Who's the third?

The very fact that we all expected them to lose it at half time shows that they aren't up to it. How is it bullshit?

 

[Frederick]

The experienced guys can't be everywhere doing everything. Once Canberra started throwing the ball around our defence went to shit. It wasn't lost in attack.

So you're saying that Gagai, in his role as fullback, shouldn't be expected to have been back there to field that kick? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight

I counted two Origin players out there. Who's the third?

He never mentioned three players. He said three plays by origin players - two by plod and one from the pea heart

 

[Caped Crusader]

The experienced guys can't be everywhere doing everything. Once Canberra started throwing the ball around our defence went to shit. It wasn't lost in attack.

I counted two Origin players out there. Who's the third?

The very fact that we all expected them to lose it at half time shows that they aren't up to it. How is it bullshit?

3 plays mate, not players. Try to read first

The game was lost cause or great, expensive signing doesn't put the plays on, the same plays he makes earlier in the game mind you, when they count at the back end. He and Gagai are more than up to it but choose to dog it for us

What fans think doesn't prove shit. The young guys were up for it and needed our senior guys to steady when it got tough. It's not rocket surgery

 

[NoSchitSherlock]

I think Mullen would have made the difference today. I'm not sure whose decision it was to go for the two but usually in that situation Mullo just grabs it and gets on with it so it wouldn't have been a decision to begin with. Not sure if it was Brown or Hodko's decision but none of them seemed to have the experience/smarts to just run in and get on with it.

Mullen has been known to take 'settlers' at times. If you do so you need to back it up with something and not just do it to protect the lead. Need a real commitment to keep them
down there and to force and error.
Mullen might have grabbed it for sure. He would have definitely showed more determination than Hodko.

 

[Alex28]

It was a shit bounce, but Gagai should have had a better go at it. Said that in the game thread.

You want him gone. I'm just saying play him in position.

Fair enough about the Origin plays thing. My bad.

 

[Alex28]

3 plays mate, not players. Try to read first

The game was lost cause or great, expensive signing doesn't put the plays on, the same plays he makes earlier in the game mind you, when they count at the back end. He and Gagai are more than up to it but choose to dog it for us

What fans think doesn't prove shit. The young guys were up for it and needed our senior guys to steady when it got tough. It's not rocket surgery

Jesus. We might need a therapist in here.

Hokko and Gagai didn't "dog it" because they are our highly paid players. Just like the young blokes didn't "dog it" because they are young and should be given a free pass.

Our situation is what it is. The season is done. Any improvements are steps forward and we were literally in the game past 80 minutes. It's been months since we played this well.

 

[Spot On]

Felt sorry for Gags, cruel bounce.

However, an Origin player (or one who has been playing at the top level for quite some time) should have known that a bounce like that is possible on any kick. I concur he would have been all over it if wearing a maroon jersey.

 

[Caped Crusader]

Jesus. We might need a therapist in here.

Hokko and Gagai didn't "dog it" because they are our highly paid players. Just like the young blokes didn't "dog it" because they are young and should be given a free pass.

Our situation is what it is. The season is done. Any improvements are steps forward and we were literally in the game past 80 minutes. It's been months since we played this well.

If dogging it isn't the correct term, how else do you describe failing to do a job you've proven to be able to do not 15min earlier?

Mate I'm a Knights fan, of f**king course I need therapy. Who voluntarily puts themselves through this every week. Not someone sane I can tell you

 

[Alex28]

Mate - mistakes happen. Errors in judgement happen.

They put in. They had a go. They made some poor plays at crucial times. It happens - even more when you try too hard and overplay your hand.

Suggesting he would have taken that bounce if it was Origin and not the Knights isn't really fair...

 

[Caped Crusader]

Simply put, if neither can be counted on to do their jobs as senior players, one being a key playmaker, then they both need to ship the f**k out

stop making excuses for them

 

[Nuffy]

Mate - mistakes happen. Errors in judgement happen.

They put in. They had a go. They made some poor plays at crucial times. It happens - even more when you try too hard and overplay your hand.

Suggesting he would have taken that bounce if it was Origin and not the Knights isn't really fair...

Might not be fair but it's true, not a hope in hell that ball finds the opposition if it's in Origin.

 

[Alex28]

Might not be fair but it's true, not a hope in hell that ball finds the opposition if it's in Origin.

If it's Origin, Boyd is back there and not Gagai. I'd also suggest there would be a few others getting back there to block runners coming through. I'd expect the QLD SOO team to be a bit more organised than our frankenteam...