Team VS Raiders

[yy_cheng]

Tahu's screwups have mainly been in defense. Like totally misreading the play.

IN the shark's game, he started dropping the ball.

 

[yy_cheng]

What happenned to all the posters who think that we should choose our best 17 and then put them in the right places?

 

[parra pete]

What happenned to all the posters who think that we should choose our best 17 and then put them in the right places?

I think Bill Posters has been prosecuted. But he can't say he wasn't warned....

 

[MaxZ/3iaGGiZ]

What a joke. Robson in the starting lineup yet a player like Inu will miss out. Inu is worth 10 times more value then Robson even in skill.

 

[Djay]

I really believe that the side named there will be different to the one that runs out on Monday.

 

[Runaround Man]

Prediction for the Caberra game.

Robson starting at hooker, M keating to the bench.
Morts to 7 and KK to 6.

 

[TeHEel]

Word from a reliable source is that KK will be at 6 and DM at 7.

 

[True EEL]

What happenned to all the posters who think that we should choose our best 17 and then put them in the right places?

I'm still here.....and predicting what Runaround Man and The EEL are suggesting below regarding KK and Morts at 6 & 7 and possibly even Robson as starting Hooker or the utlity on the bench

 

[Bigfella]

I don't understand why people want to put Robson to 9. I don't see him as having Kris k's acceleration and creativity which makes him effective there.

In fact I reckon matt k would make a much better 7 than robson would a 9. If robbo doesn't play 7 he goes right out in my book

 

[Gronk]

Bugger all the chopping and changing. It's a good side on paper and these show ponies just need to pull their fingers out, have a go and don't drop the f**king ball.

 

[True EEL]

I don't understand why people want to put Robson to 9. I don't see him as having Kris k's acceleration and creativity which makes him effective there.

In fact I reckon matt k would make a much better 7 than robson would a 9. If robbo doesn't play 7 he goes right out in my book

i only think its a slight possibility Robson will go straight to 9, i think its more likely 14 if he is moved.....and i just remember that he played 14 for a few weeks last year, mid season and was - to my memory - quite effective and solid as the back up Hooker. we know his defence is very solid and to me he seemed to be giving good service from there as well. ultimately i think he could be most effective to our team as the utility 14 from the bench

 

[Pricey73]

I dont beleive its all robsons fault but there are a many things that are leading to our bad form.
1. slow service from Dummy half and Halfback
2. forwards not making metres over the advantage line giving us good go forward
3. DUMB penalties
4. Ball security
5. Playing as a team.

While I dont think Robson is a great halfback he showed last year if the forwards are going forward he can be a solid pivot who can takle and thats it I feel he would be better as a starting dummy half with someone like mitchell off the bench like we had with Kingston last year. All the other teams now relise that Robson is slow and to crowd him gives the outside backs no room. So need a change to Dummy half and halback to have any chance this year...

 

[lingard]

What a joke. Robson in the starting lineup yet a player like Inu will miss out. Inu is worth 10 times more value then Robson even in skill.

So de we put Inu at half-back?

 

[Kornstar]

I read somewhere the difference in metres gained between us and the teams we have played and i am pretty sure that we were closest to the Sharks in terms of metres gained than the other 3 teams we have played.

I remember in the second half we managed to put together a few good sets and actually make some metres and got into positions where we could have done something, instead we grubbered into the corner, which if we were leading would have been great because we were keeping them down their end but because we were behind what was really needed was a bomb to an inexperienced Kelly who has proven to be terrible under the high ball!!!!!

This is why people are calling for Robson to be dropped because he should have taken control (as a halfback) and put the bomb up instead of kicking it to the corners.

Mortimer needs to take some blame too, if he WANTS to be a halfback, why wasn't he screaming for the ball and getting himself into position for a bomb???

I think it was clear that Robson was found out against the Sharks that while he is great when the team gets offloads away and needs someone there to back up, he is not a halfback who can take control, it just isn't his strength.

Last year he was always there when someone was offloading and he would pass it to the classier, skillful players and then would follow the play and backup and get the ball again and distribute but with the structure we have been playing (or lack of) he doesn't have the skill level to plan and organise the next play, it is clearly evident with the way we look terrible in attack.......

If we start playing the way we played last year then i think Robson has a place in the team due to his support play but if we want to play with more structure, then i don't believe he has a place......

Please don't turn this into a "Robson is better than Keating" arguement as i am not saying that Keating will or can do better but i would like to see it given a try and if he can't then i think we are in big trouble if we can't replicate last years play......

 

[True EEL]

well if i may say, Jarryd needs to get away from kicking all the time in general play too, unless we are clearly chasing a 40/20, he does it too much and should let the halves kick more often, he did it against the Sharks

 

[Kornstar]

well if i may say, Jarryd needs to get away from kicking all the time in general play too, unless we are clearly chasing a 40/20, he does it too much and should let the halves kick more often, he did it against the Sharks

I believe that was our biggest mistake in the GF in the first half, the game plan seemed to be give it to Hayne on the 5th and kick it to Burt.....too much pressure on a non playmaker.......

Hayne needs to actually either play 5/8th so it is his job to do it or play like a fullback and chime in when he sees something, having him get the ball on the 5th all the time makes it predictable and he has made a career out of being unpredictable!

I think Hayne has had his best start to the year, he is involved plenty and is really putting in, so that is promising for us as he usually is very slow to start......

 

[yy_cheng]

well if i may say, Jarryd needs to get away from kicking all the time in general play too, unless we are clearly chasing a 40/20, he does it too much and should let the halves kick more often, he did it against the Sharks

our halves kicks down the fullbacks throat essentially making it a 20m kick as the fb returns it 20m. They might as well go for touch for 30m.

If we are winning, yeah maybe. When we are trapped in our own in goal, then I would let hayne try to get as much distance as we can, especially when we are down on the scoreboard.

 

[yy_cheng]

I read somewhere the difference in metres gained between us and the teams we have played and i am pretty sure that we were closest to the Sharks in terms of metres gained than the other 3 teams we have played.

I remember in the second half we managed to put together a few good sets and actually make some metres and got into positions where we could have done something, instead we grubbered into the corner, which if we were leading would have been great because we were keeping them down their end but because we were behind what was really needed was a bomb to an inexperienced Kelly who has proven to be terrible under the high ball!!!!!

This is why people are calling for Robson to be dropped because he should have taken control (as a halfback) and put the bomb up instead of kicking it to the corners.

Mortimer needs to take some blame too, if he WANTS to be a halfback, why wasn't he screaming for the ball and getting himself into position for a bomb???

I think it was clear that Robson was found out against the Sharks that while he is great when the team gets offloads away and needs someone there to back up, he is not a halfback who can take control, it just isn't his strength.

Last year he was always there when someone was offloading and he would pass it to the classier, skillful players and then would follow the play and backup and get the ball again and distribute but with the structure we have been playing (or lack of) he doesn't have the skill level to plan and organise the next play, it is clearly evident with the way we look terrible in attack.......

If we start playing the way we played last year then i think Robson has a place in the team due to his support play but if we want to play with more structure, then i don't believe he has a place......

Please don't turn this into a "Robson is better than Keating" arguement as i am not saying that Keating will or can do better but i would like to see it given a try and if he can't then i think we are in big trouble if we can't replicate last years play......

Exactly. The problem is, from what I saw starting from the last few rounds last year, it seems as though DA wants us to win the battle of the ruck before introducing the 2nd phase play.

Now, since we are not winning the battle of the ruck, we never get to the 2nd phase play. I have not seen Hindy or Caylo or Mateo even shaping to pass.

So if what I said is happening, then bench Robbo and throw him in when we are winning the battle of the ruck or even better put him at 13.

Mateo to the bench until we have won the early hitout or even Mateo at 6, Mortz to 7, Robbo 13 as a defensive player as Mateo can still play the hit up role. But keep Robbo away from Kicking and passing until the 2nd phase play kicks in.

SO basically, a change in roles but not a change in team players picked.

I liked to have Robbo as how defender and clean up guy but not as our halfback

 

[True EEL]

I believe that was our biggest mistake in the GF in the first half, the game plan seemed to be give it to Hayne on the 5th and kick it to Burt.....too much pressure on a non playmaker.......

Hayne needs to actually either play 5/8th so it is his job to do it or play like a fullback and chime in when he sees something, having him get the ball on the 5th all the time makes it predictable and he has made a career out of being unpredictable!

I think Hayne has had his best start to the year, he is involved plenty and is really putting in, so that is promising for us as he usually is very slow to start......

i agree......am not blaming him for the loss in any way, shape or form, but Jarryd really did overplay his hand in the GF last year and especially with kicking too much and taking too much general play work away from Morts and Robson....anyway, who can really blame him he had Rugby League by the short and curlies last season, just amzing what he did

also, he needs to get some intensity and urgency with his positional play at Fullback in defence, he can't just rely on his freakish, outlandish natural ability to get him out of jail every time....maybe Eric should chat to him again ha ha

am not bagging him, its just he used to do this last year too

 

[yy_cheng]

i agree......am not blaming him for the loss in any way, shape or form, but Jarryd really did overplay his hand in the GF last year and especially with kicking too much and taking too much general play work away from Morts and Robson....anyway, who can really blame him he had Rugby League by the short and curlies last season, just amzing what he did

also, he needs to get some intensity and urgency with his positional play at Fullback in defence, he can't just rely on his freakish, outlandish natural ability to get him out of jail every time....maybe Eric should chat to him again ha ha

am not bagging him, its just he used to do this last year too

But surely if DA saw that Jarryd was overplaying his hand he would've asked the halves to take over.

But did DA have the balls to ask Robbo and Mortz take over?

Probably not and so let Hayne take the ball.

I've been saying this before the season started: We can't rely on Hayne all the time. We need someone to take the pressure off him or at least provide an alternative source of attack.