Team vs Titans

[JJ]

McFadden :lol: what a dick

Obvious question is why not name this team last week?

No logic at all

 

[spear tackle]

Do you reckon? Cos I might make a thread called 'f**k u cappy'

Haha I wonder if he'll take advice from that?

 

[Manu Vatuvei]

Roache is bog standard. Tevaga brought something more from what I could see, but I dunno.

Neither does our coach.

Really?

I think Jazz outdid all expectations but Roache is seen as having more upside and was ranked above Jazz at the start of the season. If anything you could say it's a rare case of Cappy sticking to his guns. Roache was first cab off the rank, didn't do much wrong and so didn't get dumped just because he had the misfortune to be injured for a few weeks.

For me Roache looks like more of a speedy whippet out of dummy half who can cover the backs if necessary. Tevaga is an undersized backrower who is athletically a bit of a plodder but has nailed all of the 1%ers so far.

I don't have a problem with them continuing to invest in Roache. Jazz did a great job but I have a hard time seeing what sort of player he is going to be long-term. Like, Alan Tongue? A smaller Neville Costigan?

 

[Beavers Headgear]

Good to see that the 20mins off the bench last week corrected all Loloheas flaws

 

[Penrose Warrior]

Good to see that the 20mins off the bench last week corrected all Loloheas flaws

:lol:

Yup. Three runs and 4 tackles taught him all he needed to know.

Interesting also in the stats that Ben played 57 minutes and didn't produce a single offload in his 161m gained. Vete had 4. And Thompson 47 tackles, 11 runs for 119m and 7 tackle busts, Mannering 69 tackles...wow. There were some beastly stats last week. Produce that again this week and no chance we lose.

 

[Rich102]

Good to see that the 20mins off the bench last week corrected all Loloheas flaws

Pure gold!

 

[Blair]

Pure gold!

Lolohea is lacking tries, someone with his talent should be scoring plenty, no? Maybe Cappy's correct to suggest there's 'issues'.

Let's settle him into a position of strength and develop this young talent. Is this too much to ask?

 

[Rich102]

Don't disagree.
I think Beaver's point is that last week he couldn't make the starting 13 and, after 20 minutes, this week makes the starting team.

 

[spear tackle]

If anything Tui's running appears to be a bit labored like he's carrying some sort of injury possibly but I wouldn't say he has gone off form or anything that drastic.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Fairly happy with this lineup. Could quibble about swapping Fus and Tui or whether Mutts should be starting but I don't think either of those are big issues. More worried about Leuluai's continued presence but he seems to have taken over gobbie duties for Cappy so I was expecting it. I'm guessing Roache wins over Tevaga for versatility though I'm not sold on him yet.

 

[Meth]

I think that when Tevaga was axed for Roache, I was outraged as Tevaga had been one of our better players for some time. However, there is a certain problem of a lack of versatility with Tevaga. He can play in the second row or hooker- but that isn't much help when your halves are carrying worrying niggles. I get that this is where Roache comes in, especially when Luke is playing more minutes and better football...but I think the angst is still around because Roache just hasn't really done anything, right or wrong.

 

[Manu Vatuvei]

Re: Tui- isn't it arguable that he played his best footy this season on the wing?

I think there's an argument that Fusitua thrives on the extra involvement at fullback (yes, he is very good at the diving put-down on the wing, but overall plays better at fullback) while Tui thrives when he injects himself sporadically but is prone to inaccuracy when given a major decision-making role at fullback or 5/8th.

In a nutshell, Fus goes good when given more responsibility while Tui is prone to overplaying his hand and goes best with less responsibility and more of a roving commission.

Ok so I'm playing Devil's Advocate that much lately that I might as well be Satan's right hand man, but I think there's something to this.

 

[Manu Vatuvei]

I think that when Tevaga was axed for Roache, I was outraged as Tevaga had been one of our better players for some time. However, there is a certain problem of a lack of versatility with Tevaga. He can play in the second row or hooker- but that isn't much help when your halves are carrying worrying niggles. I get that this is where Roache comes in, especially when Luke is playing more minutes and better football...but I think the angst is still around because Roache just hasn't really done anything, right or wrong.

Yep, I totally get the angst but think there is *shock horror* a bit of long-term thinking going on re: Roache over Jazz.

I also think Roache has shown a little bit with a few darts out of dummy half and the fact that he has managed to not disgrace himself or make any huge clangers while totally out of place on the wing.

 

[Meth]

Yep, I totally get the angst but think there is *shock horror* a bit of long-term thinking going on re: Roache over Jazz.

I also think Roache has shown a little bit with a few darts out of dummy half and the fact that he has managed to not disgrace himself or make any huge clangers while totally out of place on the wing.

Yeah, I can accept that. Just would like to see Roache start to really make an impact some time soon...

 

[Rich102]

I agree with your analysis Manu.
But Tui is not a natural finisher. He is more prone to running sideways or infield or, worse still, putting the ball to toe.
I just wish Cappy would make clear where he sees him playing long term.

 

[Meth]

Re: Tui- isn't it arguable that he played his best footy this season on the wing?

I think there's an argument that Fusitua thrives on the extra involvement at fullback (yes, he is very good at the diving put-down on the wing, but overall plays better at fullback) while Tui thrives when he injects himself sporadically but is prone to inaccuracy when given a major decision-making role at fullback or 5/8th.

In a nutshell, Fus goes good when given more responsibility while Tui is prone to overplaying his hand and goes best with less responsibility and more of a roving commission.

Ok so I'm playing Devil's Advocate that much lately that I might as well be Satan's right hand man, but I think there's something to this.

Yep, Lolohea has probably played most of his good football on the wing...but he's played most of his 'not hampered by injury' football on the wing too.

In saying that, ok...it's much of a muchness at the moment...and I'm not outraged over 1. Fusitua 2. Lolohea. I am outraged over 1. Fusitua 2. Wright 14. Lolohea

Mid-long term, I see Lolohea as more than a winger.

 

[Meth]

I agree with your analysis Manu.
But Tui is not a natural finisher. He is more prone to running sideways or infield or, worse still, putting the ball to toe.
I just wish Cappy would make clear where he sees him playing long term.

I don't think he knows.

At the beginning of the year, I wanted to see him play a season in the centres...but I wasn't banking on Kata and Ayshford going well.

Lolohea is fast threatening to be a Motu Tony

 

[Beavers Headgear]

Leuluai cops a lot of flak, some of which is warranted, but my observation seems to be that the Warriors always play better and seem more steady when he is in the halves than when he is missing, especially seems to work with Johnson for some reason

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

Leuluai cops a lot of flak, some of which is warranted, but my observation seems to be that the Warriors always play better and seem more steady when he is in the halves than when he is missing, especially seems to work with Johnson for some reason

Johnson on one side doing mostly positive stuff and Leuluai on the other side doing negative stuff. Its probably a yin and yang balance thing thats WORKING for us lol.

You are kind of right though as Leuluai has been there since the Broncos game and since then, the Warriors have turned a corner from where they were before the Broncos.

I know the Origin period thingy but the Warriors coincedently did say on the media that they were stronger than before as a result of the 6 Tuesday clubbers.

If I was to be made coach today and was to front the media today, before I even say how priviliged I am to coach the side etc..Id start with announcing that Leuluai wont be playing this week.

Good point though Beaver.

 

[TheDMC]

What a strange development - following strong indignation about awful selections now seems some support for Futs at fullback and Tui on wing, and Roache over Tevaga, even an okay for Muts off the bench, and most horrific - that TL gives some balance in our halves. Maybe McFadden does have a clue!?

Why would we expect the coach, any coach, to be able to pin down what to do with Tui when our collective armchair coach cadre has no idea either given the variables of his strengths/weaknesses, injuries to other players, and the agreement that Futs is on fire both at wing and fullback.

I think Tui has gone off the boil a bit personally...he has lost his speed edge for sure, probably due to a niggle. Sucks for him but at the moment he does not have a lock on any one position and thus is going where the need most is, which of course is not so clear in current situation.