Team vs Titans

[VillaTheGorilla]

This game CONFIRMED Tuimoalas inability to really contest and defuse bombs. Ive seen him struggle a few times before and as a WINGER, bombs should be your fortay. Im not saying you have to be tall cos look at Nightingale, he beats guys taller than him. You just got to be a winger/outside back not a makeshift like Nikorima for the Bronx.

Titans coach mustve seen Tuis inability as well and put it down for his halves and wingers game tips.

It got to the stage where Fusitua had to come and cover Tuis side and thats just pathetic. Everyones got to play their part and FULFIL their roles given.

Thing that pisses me off about this is I had known Fusitua was a better fullback then Tui was ages ago. Thats because I knew Tui all his life was a half then he gets to the NRL and becomes a winger/fullback. He played well at fullback and apart from defence he had no other reason to be taken away from that role.

I did however use to moan that by playing Tui at fullback it BLOCKS guys like Fusitua from playing for the Warriors who is an outside back all his life. NOW were seeing that Fusitua can play there and NOW we can see Tui cant jump its just stupid that Cappy couldnt see all this before. The other irony to this is Tui (by no fault of his own) who was blocking outside backs like Fusitua is now shuffled onto the wing and tonight he gets FUSITUA to cover HIS ass because he cant jump??

Think this is a bit unfair in the sense that Tui's been great for us for most of the year - hasn't let us down at the back or on the wing all year, bar tonight. Sure, he's come up with a few errors here and there, but no worse than any other wing or fullback in the comp. Had an off night tonight and was poor - made very few runs with the ball and really didn't look like himself, as someone else mentioned it looks like he's playing with an injury.
Hopefully he's able to get over this niggle with the bye next week, but for me he has to be there at either full back or wing against Manly.

 

[vvvrulz]

Not sure he does, tbh. Don't get me wrong, Tevaga was impressive - but I rate TL very highly at hooker. Really just below the top tier of hookers.

What are you basing this on? Kiwi internationals, or god forbid the ESL?

TL has spent a reasonable bit of time at hooker for us, and honestly he wasn't bringing anything to the table that Nathan Friend already wasn't. He's roughly at that level imo, a solid serviceable NRL hooker at best. Tevaga has the ability to be much more than that, he made Isaac Luke who IS a top tier hooker look pretty shabby.

 

[Big Marn]

i think the big conundrum, is how much does how attack get affected by Fusitua being at FB?
As we get closer to end of season, will we really be getting opportunities in the corners like he had against the Knights or will defences be too organised? If thats the case, maybe there are more opportunities longterm for Fusitua to be effective on attack at FB as he gets more games there. You can already see the confidence growing.
There is a question mark on his speed. He doesnt seem to accelerate into a gap like a Johnson or RTS. Not sure if his top end speed is a limitation or not. Maybe his long strides make him look deceptively slower than what he is?

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

Think this is a bit unfair in the sense that Tui's been great for us for most of the year - hasn't let us down at the back or on the wing all year, bar tonight. Sure, he's come up with a few errors here and there, but no worse than any other wing or fullback in the comp. Had an off night tonight and was poor - made very few runs with the ball and really didn't look like himself, as someone else mentioned it looks like he's playing with an injury.
Hopefully he's able to get over this niggle with the bye next week, but for me he has to be there at either full back or wing against Manly.

Nice of you to wipe the part where I do give Tui his props. Like I said, he was going great at the back and then he gets dropped and THAT is unfair, I'm not going repeat myself re read my post.

Injury? Any facts or you just speculating? Link please? Excuse me if I sound rude but just want know facts and not excuses made for his inability to jump.

Look I'd pick Tui at 6. I'm a big fan of Tui but I'm also level headed. If you play good then I'll credit you on here but if you play like crap, I'm not going to excuse it for what you done in the past, a perceived injury etc...it is what it is.

 

[JJ]

What are you basing this on? Kiwi internationals, or god forbid the ESL?

TL has spent a reasonable bit of time at hooker for us, and honestly he wasn't bringing anything to the table that Nathan Friend already wasn't. He's roughly at that level imo, a solid serviceable NRL hooker at best. Tevaga has the ability to be much more than that, he made Isaac Luke who IS a top tier hooker look pretty shabby.

Tend to agree. The ESL and tests are not necessarily a good indicator of week-to-week NRL performances

 

[jaseg]

I was basing in on his 11 NRL appearances starting at hooker, in which he was creating & making breaks/tries at a per minute rate just a shade under some of the top hookers in the NRL, pairing it with good defence and solid DH runs and a comparatively low error/penalty rate.

That, and how he looks when he jumps into DH during other games.

 

[VillaTheGorilla]

Nice of you to wipe the part where I do give Tui his props. Like I said, he was going great at the back and then he gets dropped and THAT is unfair, I'm not going repeat myself re read my post.

Injury? Any facts or you just speculating? Link please? Excuse me if I sound rude but just want know facts and not excuses made for his inability to jump.

Look I'd pick Tui at 6. I'm a big fan of Tui but I'm also level headed. If you play good then I'll credit you on here but if you play like crap, I'm not going to excuse it for what you done in the past, a perceived injury etc...it is what it is.

Lol jeeze, settle down mate.

I said I thought you were being a bit unfair - hardly scathing towards you. I do think its a bit unfair that someones done reasonably well for us all year to have one poor game by his standards, for a fan to label parts of it pathetic and crap. Bit over the top, but hay, thats just my opinion.

I wasn't wiping the part where you gave him props - I appreciate it, I just felt that had little to do with the unfair part I was mentioning. Saying that one game confirms he can't contend highballs...laughable. I'm glad you weren't the coach when Vatuvai had that shocker all those years ago or we never would have seen him again hey:lol:

Lol, sorry pal I don't have any cold hard facts for you about an injury. Imo he looked like he was labouring a wee bit towards the end of the game there. Nothing concrete, just an observation, one that others on here also pointed out...

 

[JJ]

I was basing in on his 11 NRL appearances starting at hooker, in which he was creating & making breaks/tries at a per minute rate just a shade under some of the top hookers in the NRL, pairing it with good defence and solid DH runs and a comparatively low error/penalty rate.

That, and how he looks when he jumps into DH during other games.

Think we all agree he is a better hooker than half... like Tevaga that's a pretty small sample, I guess...

Would have no problem whatsoever with him on the bench... that's exactly where he should be

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

Lol jeeze, settle down mate.

I said I thought you were being a bit unfair - hardly scathing towards you. I do think its a bit unfair that someones done reasonably well for us all year to have one poor game by his standards, for a fan to label parts of it pathetic and crap. Bit over the top, but hay, thats just my opinion.

I wasn't wiping the part where you gave him props - I appreciate it, I just felt that had little to do with the unfair part I was mentioning. Saying that one game confirms he can't contend highballs...laughable. I'm glad you weren't the coach when Vatuvai had that shocker all those years ago or we never would have seen him again hey:lol:

Lol, sorry pal I don't have any cold hard facts for you about an injury. Imo he looked like he was labouring a wee bit towards the end of the game there. Nothing concrete, just an observation, one that others on here also pointed out...

You need to watch the Warriors more to know it's not the first time Tuis in ability to jump was exposed. That's only a detail those in the know would look at, like obviously the Titans coach.

Did you watch the Broncos round 2 game when Johnson was bombing it for Tui and he was up against Corey Oates? Yeah, it's not just one game. You gotta watch the Warriors to know.

It was crap yards he made check the stats cos they say it too. Pathetic? You get hired to do a job right and the guy with less 1st grade experience has to parts of YOUR job for YOU, yeah pathetic.

 

[VillaTheGorilla]

You need to watch the Warriors more to know it's not the first time Tuis in ability to jump was exposed. That's only a detail those in the know would look at, like obviously the Titans coach.

Did you watch the Broncos round 2 game when Johnson was bombing it for Tui and he was up against Corey Oates? Yeah, it's not just one game. You gotta watch the Warriors to know.

It was crap yards he made check the stats cos they say it too. Pathetic? You get hired to do a job right and the guy with less 1st grade experience has to parts of YOUR job for YOU, yeah pathetic.

I guess we'll have to disagree - I think he had a poor game, absolutely. Pathetic....a bit of an unfair call imo, as I stated earlier.
Again, I said that he's made mistakes there before, but I don't think that one poor game, and few minor issues here and there mean that he can't contest high balls. Might not be the best in our team, but poor games like this have been anomalies.

Thanks for the advice champ I'll be sure to try and watch some more Warriors :lol:

 

[TheDMC]

Isn't Corey Oates super tall and one of the absolute best in the air?

If so, and he owns you in this regard in a game, does that therefore mean you (you being Tui) are awful in the air? Hmmm.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Isn't Corey Oates super tall and one of the absolute best in the air?

If so, and he owns you in this regard in a game, does that therefore mean you (you being Tui) are awful in the air? Hmmm.

Yep. I remember Manu destroying Hazem El Masri in the air in one game too. Nobody questioned Hazem's place afterwards, it was a just a good big man on little man tactic.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

I don't want to say this (it pains me, actually) but I don't want Manu back. Or not right now, we look like we're on to something here without him.

I'll take him fully fit, but anything less than that Ken is providing more than adequate cover.

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

Isn't Corey Oates super tall and one of the absolute best in the air?

If so, and he owns you in this regard in a game, does that therefore mean you (you being Tui) are awful in the air? Hmmm.

Corey Oates was just an example of another time Tuis inability to out jump someone was exposed. My point I was making with Oates is that it's NOT the first time we seen Tui beaten in the air.

Last night against MacDonald, he was beaten in the air. The replay showed he wasn't in position to time a leap into the air and in the end looked out of contest.

I'm just worried as a Warriors fan that we might have to endure a Matt Utai scenario when they bomb to him.

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

I guess we'll have to disagree - I think he had a poor game, absolutely. Pathetic....a bit of an unfair call imo, as I stated earlier.
Again, I said that he's made mistakes there before, but I don't think that one poor game, and few minor issues here and there mean that he can't contest high balls. Might not be the best in our team, but poor games like this have been anomalies.

Thanks for the advice champ I'll be sure to try and watch some more Warriors :lol:

Look I'm sure you watch the Warriors just like me. We will have to agree to disagree. I'm a big fan of Tuis, I'm just worried he's going to get dropped and that's because he's competing against Manu, Maumalo and Fusitua for outside back positions.

He's better than Thomas so put him at 6 is what I'm saying not wing. We got wingers.

 

[VillaTheGorilla]

Look I'm sure you watch the Warriors just like me. We will have to agree to disagree. I'm a big fan of Tuis, I'm just worried he's going to get dropped and that's because he's competing against Manu, Maumalo and Fusitua for outside back positions.

He's better than Thomas so put him at 6 is what I'm saying not wing. We got wingers.

Again, im gunna have to disagree haha.

Tui, Manu and Leuluai is better than Manu, Maumalo and Tui any day of the weak.
I'm sure Cappy will agree with me once Manu is fit

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

Again, im gunna have to disagree haha.

Tui, Manu and Leuluai is better than Manu, Maumalo and Tui any day of the weak.
I'm sure Cappy will agree with me once Manu is fit

Well great minds think alike as they say. I wouldn't be proud to think like Cappy personally but yeah your probably right. I'd personally go for..

1. Fusitua
2. Vatuvei
3. Kata
4. Ayshford
5. Maumalo
6. Lolohea
7. Johnson

Thomas played ok last night though and he played ok against the Sharks where he scored a crucial try for us but nah I'd drop him all together for Tui.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

At the least id like to see Tui given a full game outside Shaun that he's actually prepared for that week. He deserves that much.

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

At the least id like to see Tui given a full game outside Shaun that he's actually prepared for that week. He deserves that much.

Yeah hope so but doubt it cos Cappy loves Thomas too much.

 

[Manu Vatuvei]

I wasn't convinced that Tui was really down on pace before but how slow was he chasing Hoffman?

I had to watch the game on replay and when I heard Hoffman had run 100m to score I just couldn't imagine it. Hoffman is NOT fast.

Tui started about 8 metres behind Hoffman and with Hoffman slowing down, putting footwork on Fusitua etc I would've expected a fully fit Lolohea to be in position to run him down, but he was going backwards and Kata ran past him. Definitely playing injured.