Team vs Titans

[VillaTheGorilla]

I wasn't convinced that Tui was really down on pace before but how slow was he chasing Hoffman?

I had to watch the game on replay and when I heard Hoffman had run 100m to score I just couldn't imagine it. Hoffman is NOT fast.

Tui started about 8 metres behind Hoffman and with Hoffman slowing down, putting footwork on Fusitua etc I would've expected a fully fit Lolohea to be in position to run him down, but he was going backwards and Kata ran past him. Definitely playing injured.

You'll have to do better than that with some people around here.

Pure speculation from you at this point, wheres the proof???!!

 

[vvvrulz]

I wasn't convinced that Tui was really down on pace before but how slow was he chasing Hoffman?

The worst part was that 1-2 second period where Hoffman collected the ball and Tui just stared at him as he shot past. That kind of laziness gifted six points and we won't will playoff games with that attitude.

 

[vvvrulz]

You'll have to do better than that with some people around here.

Pure speculation from you at this point, wheres the proof???!!

:lol:

 

[Manu Vatuvei]

The worst part was that 1-2 second period where Hoffman collected the ball and Tui just stared at him as he shot past. That kind of laziness gifted six points and we won't will playoff games with that attitude.

Thompson was also at fault there.

I was a critic of Thompson 12 months ago but he's been so good for us that I can't possibly be a critic anymore. But he does still have this weird trait where at the most random times he just totally stops defending.

 

[vvvrulz]

Thompson was also at fault there.

I was a critic of Thompson 12 months ago but he's been so good for us that I can't possibly be a critic anymore. But he does still have this weird trait where at the most random times he just totally stops defending.

Oh absolutely, if anything Thompson was even worse as he was in the best position to make the tackle. It was appalling from both men.

 

[TheDMC]

Thompson would make a way better makeshift center replacement than Mannering -- way quicker and has great attack.

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

I wasn't convinced that Tui was really down on pace before but how slow was he chasing Hoffman?

I had to watch the game on replay and when I heard Hoffman had run 100m to score I just couldn't imagine it. Hoffman is NOT fast.

Tui started about 8 metres behind Hoffman and with Hoffman slowing down, putting footwork on Fusitua etc I would've expected a fully fit Lolohea to be in position to run him down, but he was going backwards and Kata ran past him. Definitely playing injured.

Believe it or not but Tui is not fast fast. I've seen him with a few opportunities where other speedsters would just gas it but forwards cut him off like in the Broncos game where he ended up chipping it.

 

[vvvrulz]

Believe it or not but Tui is not fast fast. I've seen him with a few opportunities where other speedsters would just gas it but forwards cut him off like in the Broncos game where he ended up chipping it.

.. because he's been carrying a niggle this season.

Tui had serious speed last year and even the match winner against the Roosters away.

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

Thompson was also at fault there.

I was a critic of Thompson 12 months ago but he's been so good for us that I can't possibly be a critic anymore. But he does still have this weird trait where at the most random times he just totally stops defending.

Oh absolutely, if anything Thompson was even worse as he was in the best position to make the tackle. It was appalling from both men.

Yep but you guys forgot one person, a major factor too. Here's a hint, he's Hoffmans opposite.

Ayshford kicked and was put off balance with a fair shove by one of the Titans when they were chasing the kick on the transition phase from attack to defence. This provided a hole in our line (where Ayshford was suppose to be) almost right in front of Hoffman.

Thompson was at fault but to be fair he was slightly impeded. He also looks sideways as his body language suggests "where's Aysford?".

Check the video, I've provided to support my perspective. 18 seconds in.

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[vvvrulz]

Ayshford kicked and was put off balance with a fair shove by one of the Titans

So despite clearly stating yourself Ayshford was 1) chasing his own kick 2) got a shove from the Titans players... you're saying he was in part to blame for the counter attack?

Complete contradiction.

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

So despite clearly stating yourself Ayshford was 1) chasing his own kick 2) got a shove from the Titans players... you're saying he was in part to blame for the counter attack?

Complete contradiction.

Look at the video. Its proves what Im saying. It shows on the video he was missing thats why the hole was there. It's just unlucky that Ayshford had to make the kick and was fairly shoved in an attempt by Titans defender to tackle or charge down but he had to chase up as well which he couldn't do and that's why there was a hole. It's was just an unlucky situation for Ayshford.

Wheres the contradiction on this matter? Thats my intial post on this matter lol.

 

[vvvrulz]

Look at the video. Its proves what Im saying. It shows on the video he was missing thats why the hole was there.

Wheres the contradiction on this matter? Thats my intial post on this matter lol.

Ayshford ran through, and created the hole because he was attacking the ball and receiving attention from the Titans, which I would have thought left him free of blame. Then you're bemoaning the fact that he created the hole which led to the try.

So you're saying it's partially his fault for attempting the attacking play?

Odd, but ok.

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

.. because he's been carrying a niggle this season.

Tui had serious speed last year and even the match winner against the Roosters away.

Reports are is that Tuis fine. Strappings precautionary so we should be happy he's ok but nah he's fine.

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

Ayshford ran through, and created the hole because he was attacking the ball and receiving attention from the Titans, which I would have thought left him free of blame. Then you're bemoaning the fact that he created the hole which led to the try.

So you're saying it's partially his fault for attempting the attacking play?

Odd, but ok.

Forward the video to 18 seconds and you will see he chips it through. Almost simultaneously he is shoved off balance which is fair play but unfortunately for Ayshford he will now be absent from his usual spot in the defence line. The rest I've explained from my initial post on it.

I'm saying its unlucky for Ayshford who normally tackles his opposite and then some but because he had to kick, he is still expected to rush up.

I think if Ayshford himself was here, he would say that I'm on the mark. It was just unlucky!

Just read my initial post about this with no hate for me. Look at my point I'm trying to make.

 

[JJ]

bullshit, the onus was on Tui and Bodene to be aware of what was going on, and defend appropriately, they both switched off, woeful...

Then Fus' effort was lame too, Hoffman should not have scored that

 

[Manu Vatuvei]

Believe it or not but Tui is not fast fast. I've seen him with a few opportunities where other speedsters would just gas it but forwards cut him off like in the Broncos game where he ended up chipping it.

And then compare that with the corresponding Titans fixture last year where he went stride for stride with and ran down David Mead from a relatively even start.

He fared better against Mead in 2015 than he did against the much slower Hoffman in 2016.

Pretty obvious difference.

 

[Manu Vatuvei]

Thompson would make a way better makeshift center replacement than Mannering -- way quicker and has great attack.

Unless Mannering has severely slowed down (it wouldn't surprise me if he had a little but no real reason to believe he has totally lost his pace, he is only 29 and fit as a fiddle) he is almost certainly faster than Thompson in a straight sprint and even if Thompson surprisingly edges him, there's no way he's "way quicker". Thompson certainly is more skilled on attack though.

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

And then compare that with the corresponding Titans fixture last year where he went stride for stride with and ran down David Mead from a relatively even start.

He fared better against Mead in 2015 than he did against the much slower Hoffman in 2016.

Pretty obvious difference.

I think I remember that too. Mead (even with the ball in hand) is fast! To run him down takes a lot of gas. However this year, I've seen a few opportunities given to Tui to burn and then he doesn't. He either gets caught or cuts back in. Maybe he's carrying more mass this year.

It would be interesting to see what Tuis sprint times are. Despite James Roberts being dubbed the fastest it's actually Koroibete that holds the fastest 100m sprint time at 10.7 seconds, Roberts is 11 seconds flat!

 

[vvvrulz]

bullshit, the onus was on Tui and Bodene to be aware of what was going on, and defend appropriately, they both switched off, woeful...

Then Fus' effort was lame too, Hoffman should not have scored that

Yeah but, where's your video evidence?

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Unless Mannering has severely slowed down (it wouldn't surprise me if he had a little but no real reason to believe he has totally lost his pace, he is only 29 and fit as a fiddle) he is almost certainly faster than Thompson in a straight sprint and even if Thompson surprisingly edges him, there's no way he's "way quicker". Thompson certainly is more skilled on attack though.

I'm not overly worried about attack from a makeshift centre in that situation. What I do want is for defence to stay tight and Mannering wins that one comfortably.