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[Razor]

The hymen theory has holes in it (excuse the pun) as the hymen can be broken without ever having any sexual intercourse.

And as I've said many times, and even posted that direct quote because you guys are too stupid to know how to use the Internet, it doesn't matter if it breaks another way. If the hymen is broken, she isn't a virgin anymore - even if she didn't have sex.

 

[madunit]

I didn't make a racist comment, I stated quite categorically that I don't care what culture you have, medical science has proved cultural beliefs wrong.

Would it make it less racist if I told you I was aboriginal as well?

Wouldn't be racist then would it?

dickhead

 

[madunit]

And as I've said many times, and even posted that direct quote because you guys are too stupid to know how to use the Internet, it doesn't matter if it breaks another way. If the hymen is broken, she isn't a virgin anymore - even if she didn't have sex.

Virginity is a sexually related term, so it pertains to someone not having sex.

Someone's hymen breaking in a non sexual way prior to their first sexual encounter makes no bloody difference, fact is, that person still has not had sex irrespective of their hymen being intact or not, thus they are still a virgin.

it's very simple.

the problem here is that you are even more simple

 

[madunit]

Courtesy of the Oxford Dictionary, just for you razor.

It's a good read, you should have a read of this book, you might learn something.

virgin n. 1 a person who has never had sex. 2 {the virgin) Mary, the mother of Jesus. adj. 1 having had no sexual experience.

Notice the complete lack of regard to the hymen?

This means that it has absolutely no bearing on the whole virginity issue.

At all.

None.

Absolutely none.

Nope

None at all.

Hang on I'll read it again....

...yep, definitely none at all.

 

[Willow]

As I said after 4-5 pages, when I first got sources, I discovered that your culture had a different belief to mine.

You first said, and I quote:

ring up a medical centre and get them to give you the official definition of virginity.

I think the medical fraternity, who developed the terms and meaning, might know more about the subject matter than you.

No mention of culture. The medical fraternity is the mainstream.

When you were proven wrong, you started moving the goal posts around. Calling people racists and crying foul as you were trying everything to divert attention away from your own poor debating skills and woeful 'research'.

Well, the diversion didn't work. You still looked like the dill.

 

[salivor]

http://www.io.com/~wwwomen/sexuality/virginity.html


This belief is held by Middle Eastern, Hindu and Aboriginal cultures. Maybe others as well.

Since you people claim otherwise, and obviously are unable to read the quotes from the other links I posted, I posted the quote directly.

Now that isn't the western culture that you follow - your culture has a different definition of virginity. As I said after 4-5 pages, when I first got sources, I discovered that your culture had a different belief to mine. Your's used to share our belief, but you changed your views on this subject.

I also notice Willow and El, that the quotes you supply of my postings are from the first couple of pages, before I realised that. If you read them all of my posts you'd find I said "I did a search for sources and discovered that different cultures have different beliefs. So no one is right and no one is wrong"; so why quote those posts of mine to show what I said and didn't when I specifically said that. It's just a waste.

I'm accepting your beliefs. But you dismiss other cultures beliefs. That's what makes you racists. You even blantantly lie and pretend other cultures don't exist by giving definitions of virginity from sites that are from your own culture. What's the point of that exactly? I never denied your culture believes virginity is what you say it is. My culture(and others) is different. So why supply definitions from your own culture? It makes no sense at all.

I now expect this matter to be closed. And that people like Sal, El, Wil realise that not everyone shares their own beliefs and that doesn't make them automatically right.

If you want to try and prove me wrong, how about reading up about other cultures and showing defintions from those sites? But of course they won't, because then they'd show me to be correct. And we can't have that can we?

Lol, love the link, you just used a link which shot down an earlier comment of yours that you are still dodging. Your link states:

A woman with an intact hymen was considered to be a virgin, and that was the end of the matter. Women in the Middle Ages, for example, were considered to be virgin if their hymen was intact. If a woman stretched or tore her hymen while horseback riding, she was simply and plainly no longer a virgin. If a woman was born with a tiny or nonexistent hymen, she was not a virgin.

It's also important to realize that there are still cultures today, such as some Middle Eastern ones, for whom this definition still holds.

See that bolded part, do you remember this passage of conversaion Razor?

Tampon, sex toy, even riding a horse or doing the splits.

to which you replied:

All things that will not break your hymen - unless you have a medical condition.

By your very own evidence you have proven yourself that you were wrong. Now earlier in the thread you said this:

When I'm wrong, I admit it.

So are you a man or your word or not? Apparently you admit when you are wrong, well you clearly are in this case so come on I want to hear you say it.


As for the comment regarding Willow and myself supplying links from our cultures websites. I didn't realise that www.dictionary.com represented a culture. I was always under the impression that it represented the dictionary of the English language. The English language is not a culture, it is a form of communication. This has nothing to do with belief, science, medicine and the dictionary all state that a virgin is someone who has not had sexual intercourse. You are wrong, admit it, move on.

 

[madunit]

A woman with an intact hymen was considered to be a virgin, and that was the end of the matter. Women in the Middle Ages, for example, were considered to be virgin if their hymen was intact. If a woman stretched or tore her hymen while horseback riding, she was simply and plainly no longer a virgin. If a woman was born with a tiny or nonexistent hymen, she was not a virgin.

It's also important to realize that there are still cultures today, such as some Middle Eastern ones, for whom this definition still holds.

There is one word in here that indicates that the cultural definition has possibly changed. and that is in the first line

A woman with an intact hymen was considered to be a virgin

 

[salivor]

In some African cultures they believe that having sex with a virgin will cure you of HIV. Now as in this case, their belief has been proven by medical science to be absolute hogwash. But I guess saying that they're wrong and I'm right would make me a racist, therefore nobody is right or wrong in the debate of virginity curing aids.

 

[Razor]

Virginity is a sexually related term, so it pertains to someone not having sex.

In your culture, not others.

Courtesy of the Oxford Dictionary, just for you razor.

Another source from your culture. Are you stupid? Of course your cultures books, would describe your cultures beliefs.

No mention of culture. The medical fraternity is the mainstream.

Which came before my post explaining that I discovered your culture had a different beliefs

didn't make a racist comment, I stated quite categorically that I don't care what culture you have, medical science has proved cultural beliefs wrong.

Would it make it less racist if I told you I was aboriginal as well?

Wouldn't be racist then would it?

dickhead

Yes, race isn't just on color of skin, it's on cultural beliefs as well

 

[madunit]

Yes, but as razor has shown us salivor, if you're aboriginal than you can say anything degrading about the aboriginal culture.

So you can say whatever you like about other races, just make sure your internet user name claims to be a member of that race first.

then it's green lights!

 

[Razor]

I didn't realise that www.dictionary.com represented a culture. I was always under the impression that it represented the dictionary of the English language. The English language is not a culture, it is a form of communication. This has nothing to do with belief, science, medicine and the dictionary all state that a virgin is someone who has not had sexual intercourse. You are wrong, admit it, move on.

And a website from your culture.

If you want to prove me wrong, provide links to sources from other cultures.

I've provided several.

There is one word in here that indicates that the cultural definition has possibly changed. and that is in the first line

Do you read Mad?

Keep reading.

Your culture used to believe that.

If you keep reading, you'll discover the part that says some cultures still use that definition.

It might help if you actually read posts before making a fool of yourself. You know, don't read 2 lines, and skip over the part that says cultures still believe that

 

[madunit]

In your culture, not others.



Another source from your culture. Are you stupid? Of course your cultures books, would describe your cultures beliefs.





Which came before my post explaining that I discovered your culture had a different beliefs



Yes, race isn't just on color of skin, it's on cultural beliefs as well

this is not a cultural thing I'm telling you here. A dictionary defines words. There is no cultural persuasion or influence. It is a definition.

But, if we were take your weird arsed view on dictionaries. If my cultures dictionary doesn't define something correctly in your belief, then don't use the word.

Because if you do, then you are the one making the mistake.

again.

 

[salivor]

And a website from your culture

Before I blow you out of the water with that comment I want to ask you a very simple question Razor.

What is my culture? I'm really interested to know as I have not at any point divulged my ancestry to anyone on this forum.

What is Willow's culture? I have not seen him divulge his ancestry to anyone on this website.

What is El Diablo's culture? I have not seen him divulge his ancestry to anyone on this website.

What is Madunit's culture? I have not seen him divulge his ancestry to anyone on this website.

What is Dodger's culture? I have not seen him divulge his ancestry to anyone on this website.

What is Furrycat's culture? I have not seen him divulge his ancestry to anyone on this website.

I'd really hate for you to be making assumptions on any of our backgrounds.

 

[madunit]

And a website from your culture.

If you want to prove me wrong, provide links to sources from other cultures.

I've provided several.



Do you read Mad?

Keep reading.

Your culture used to believe that.

If you keep reading, you'll discover the part that says some cultures still use that definition.

It might help if you actually read posts before making a fool of yourself. You know, don't read 2 lines, and skip over the part that says cultures still believe that

yes I read.

I said, that it seems there may be some changes to that belief possibly.

I never stated anything that it wasn't the case.

You are in no position to tell people they are making fools of themselves.

 

[Willow]

And a website from your culture.

That's not what you said originally.
Originally you were challenging others to ring up their local medical centre.

 

[Razor]

So now despite the irrefutable evidence I provided, you still can't seem to grasp that not every single culture in the world believes that virginity=first time had sex.

For you to claim that medical science has shown otherwise.

How?

Virginity is nothing to do with your first time you have sex in some cultures. Nothing at all. Just a lot of the time you lose your virginity is the first time you have sex. Doesn't need to happen that way though. So how has the medical fraternity proven that wrong?

Since you can't seem to grasp this, I'll be leaving this thread for good. You can keep on going with your westernised view and how other cultures definitions of words are wrong.

All it shows, is what a bunch of racist pricks you are.

How can you say otherwise? You have proven that beyond doubt.

And again I bring it up. I think you always knew the truth.

Sal insulting young children, and given support by his little racist buddies, isn't something you do if you're correct.

All in all, it shows the kind of people they are.

 

[Razor]

this is not a cultural thing I'm telling you here. A dictionary defines words. There is no cultural persuasion or influence. It is a definition.

But, if we were take your weird arsed view on dictionaries. If my cultures dictionary doesn't define something correctly in your belief, then don't use the word.

Because if you do, then you are the one making the mistake.

again.

We used the word first. You use a different word.

 

[Razor]

What is my culture? I'm really interested to know as I have not at any point divulged my ancestry to anyone on this forum.

What is Willow's culture? I have not seen him divulge his ancestry to anyone on this website.

What is El Diablo's culture? I have not seen him divulge his ancestry to anyone on this website.

What is Madunit's culture? I have not seen him divulge his ancestry to anyone on this website.

What is Dodger's culture? I have not seen him divulge his ancestry to anyone on this website.

What is Furrycat's culture? I have not seen him divulge his ancestry to anyone on this website.

I'd really hate for you to be making assumptions on any of our backgrounds.

Based on your posts in this thread you're not hindu, middle eastern or aboriginal culture.

Originally you were challenging others to ring up their local medical centre.

Yes they know what the word means. So ring the aboriginal medical centre(or Hindu/Middle Eastern) and they'll tell you.

Look about 10 posts after I first made that - I then realised your culture has a different belief, so of course that post is redundant. Which is why I said to ring up an aboriginal medical centre.

 

[madunit]

Before I blow you out of the water with that comment I want to ask you a very simple question Razor.

What is my culture? I'm really interested to know as I have not at any point divulged my ancestry to anyone on this forum.

What is Willow's culture? I have not seen him divulge his ancestry to anyone on this website.

What is El Diablo's culture? I have not seen him divulge his ancestry to anyone on this website.

What is Madunit's culture? I have not seen him divulge his ancestry to anyone on this website.

What is Dodger's culture? I have not seen him divulge his ancestry to anyone on this website.

What is Furrycat's culture? I have not seen him divulge his ancestry to anyone on this website.

I'd really hate for you to be making assumptions on any of our backgrounds.

Moreso, what if someone of the same culture as you razor, disagreed with everything you've said here, just like we all have?

Does that make them racist?

the answer is no.

therefore, neither is anyone else here being racist.

You are being stupid for using a term from another culture as you like to put it, to define something that means something else in your culture.

You may as well use any other word you like from the english language, which you are happily using here to post with, which is a part of my culture, to describe virginity in your culture.

Call it "disillusionment" or "blender" or "quagmire"

No matter what word you use, it will be wrong.

So why not provide us with the word you're culture uses instead of virgin and show its definition.

you're the one rabbitting on about cultur and what not, so where's your culture's alternative term and definition for what we call virgins?

 

[madunit]

So now despite the irrefutable evidence I provided, you still can't seem to grasp that not every single culture in the world believes that virginity=first time had sex.

For you to claim that medical science has shown otherwise.

How?

Virginity is nothing to do with your first time you have sex in some cultures. Nothing at all. Just a lot of the time you lose your virginity is the first time you have sex. Doesn't need to happen that way though. So how has the medical fraternity proven that wrong?

Since you can't seem to grasp this, I'll be leaving this thread for good. You can keep on going with your westernised view and how other cultures definitions of words are wrong.

All it shows, is what a bunch of racist pricks you are.

How can you say otherwise? You have proven that beyond doubt.

And again I bring it up. I think you always knew the truth.

Sal insulting young children, and given support by his little racist buddies, isn't something you do if you're correct.

All in all, it shows the kind of people they are.

So we have someone here who speaks in a condescending demeanor towards another culture, but believes he's privy to be waived of all racist tags that could be labelled on him because he's got aboriginal ancestory.

If anyone in this thread has been racist, then everyone is, yourself included.