The 2014/15 Off Season Thread

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

you should never penalise someone for the house they live in .... if they worked hard to buy it or got lucky with the rise of house prices then good luck to them

Yeh, that's a tricky question. In most cases I agree with you. Someone has lived in a house for donkey's years, has been cash flow poor etc. There are, however, less sympathetic cases where people plough money into their residence (or new residence) prior to applying for govt relief in whatever form it takes, because of means testing advantages (or at least there used to be when I used to have to deal with this stuff).

 

[strider]

Yeh, that's a tricky question. In most cases I agree with you. Someone has lived in a house for donkey's years, has been cash flow poor etc. There are, however, less sympathetic cases where people plough money into their residence (or new residence) prior to applying for govt relief in whatever form it takes, because of means testing advantages (or at least there used to be when I used to have to deal with this stuff).

yeah I get that

don't complicate everything barry ... ffs

 

[hindy111]

What if they didn't pour money in to there house but did it slowly over the last 15 years?
What if one person put there money into there house and another spent it on holidays?
What if one invested wisely & worked hard all his life, never received any welfare compared to someone who did the minimum and blew there cash on drugs alchol and hooker?

Im not really sure why honest hard working people seem too be the ones who always have too be screwed......

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

What if they didn't pour money in to there house but did it slowly over the last 15 years?
What if one person put there money into there house and another spent it on holidays?
What if one invested wisely & worked hard all his life, never received any welfare compared to someone who did the minimum and blew there cash on drugs alchol and hooker?

Im not really sure why honest hard working people seem too be the ones who always have too be screwed......

I don't think many people would disagree with you Hindy.

What I'm saying is that a blanket rule that treats all investments in one's home isn't necessarily good. I've seen first hand the extent to which some people have rorted this, and in doing so effectively denying people more deserving of help (like the people you are referring to).

 

[hindy111]

I still am not sure why anyone would want handouts it didn't need it. If your fit and healthy you should work. Maybe its a culture thing.
Are food/petrol vouchers such a bad idea?

 

[TheParraboy]

so this very obese contestant on MKR get a signature from Rhianna on her shoulder, then decides to actually have it tattooed

that will do me

give me a brick wall to bang my head against

 

[Kornstar]

I still am not sure why anyone would want handouts it didn't need it. If your fit and healthy you should work. Maybe its a culture thing.
Are food/petrol vouchers such a bad idea?

It's not a culture thing, it is that people don't believe in making people do anything! Once again, do gooders!

The only people who would object to the food and petrol vouchers are the people who actually need them. You'll just see junkie scum begging people to buy them off them so they can go and get more drugs.

 

[Hollywood Jesus]

0.0, -0.1, 0.0, -0.1 or;

0.0, -0.1, -0.1, 0.0.

If anyone (Suity) thinks there is a difference in that worth wasting billions of dollars then they are fools of the highest order.

The Coalition touched on a few very important issues, but we've all become so self-entitled that we want everyone else to have to make the necessary sacrifices, just not us.

Bob Hawke (who was a good PM) wanted a GP Co-Payment. If Labor's best PM of the modern era (or ever?) wanted one then it's no evil conspiracy from the Libs to crush the poor blah blah.

The $100,000 degree stuff is bullshit, too. There won't be $100,000 degrees, and those that go up to the highest cost will be those that generate the biggest returns (e.g. medicine - the average GP salary is $180,000, and specialists average more), so the people who would end up paying for it would be the very rich people that Labor wants to demonise at every other opportunity. At the moment, those not attending University (mostly in the lower classes) are paying tax for those who do (many of whom are rich, private school kids riding the lower classes so they can go on to earn $150,000+/year). f**k that shit. You want the degree? Pay for it yourself.

etc.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

Didnt Howard want a ETS and took it to the 07 election? Didnt Abbott support an ETS until he sold his soul for the leadership?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

You have to make compromises to get to the top. Once you're there every merkin can get f**ked.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

I don't believe that. I never made compromises to get to the top....AND I managed to rise to captain of the Kellyville under 14 division 2 tennis team.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

Bloody hell! Why the hell are we paying these boffins?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...sts-bust-myth-couple-drinks-day-good-you.html

 

[Hollywood Jesus]

Didnt Howard want a ETS and took it to the 07 election? Didnt Abbott support an ETS until he sold his soul for the leadership?

Totally different.

Both Howard and Abbott went down that road because they thought it was politically necessary (opposing climate changey things was political suicide) whereas Hawke pushed for a Co-Payment, against the wishes of others, because he knew it was necessary.

They are, in fact, the opposite of each other. Hawke did what Abbott is trying to do now - adopt a reform that everyone else resists.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

I got no problem with the imposition of a modest co-payment (with compensatory adjustments to pensions etc). As well as the more obvious effects, it makes the likelihood of Medicare frauds quite a bit lower.

 

[Gronk]

The solution is to increase the Medicare levy and it would have went through without protest.

Instead he promised no increased taxes. Now we have this problem.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

The solution is to increase the Medicare levy and it would have went through without protest.

Instead he promised no increased taxes. Now we have this problem.

That doesn't solve the apparent problem caused by over-servicing of patients etc. Saving the govt. money on each visit is only part of the point of a co-payment. The other part is sending a price signal to those whose first response to the onset of a headache is to trot off to the doctor, obstructing the availability of treatment for people with more immediate and serious concerns. Obviously getting the balance right is not easy.

 

[Gronk]

There are alternatives. For example they could promote http://www.healthdirect.gov.au/ far better.

It's a good service and we have used it a few times with the kids.

it's not the solution, but it's a start

I wonder how many people actually know about it ?

 

[Gronk]

That doesn't solve the apparent problem caused by over-servicing of patients etc. Saving the govt. money on each visit is only part of the point of a co-payment. The other part is sending a price signal to those whose first response to the onset of a headache is to trot off to the doctor, obstructing the availability of treatment for people with more immediate and serious concerns. Obviously getting the balance right is not easy.

Yes there are some that go to the Drs too often for unnecessary reasons.

Yet there are some on fixed incomes who do need to go from time to time and they are being penalised.

Hockey's solution was that the co-payment was discretionary and the Dr did not have to charge it. Meaning that he could take u cut on his fees ....

 

[Joshuatheeel]

I don't agree with co-payment. Free health care and education ( yeah tertiary education does cost but you get a pretty decent loan agreement for it) is what makes our country so great. Let's not change, especielly when there are many other options to save money first.

But the Libs failed in the selling the measure as they claimed we had a budget emergency so we need s co- payment which goes to a health fund rather then to fix the budget.

 

[Twizzle]

0.0, -0.1, 0.0, -0.1 or;

0.0, -0.1, -0.1, 0.0.

If anyone (Suity) thinks there is a difference in that worth wasting billions of dollars then they are fools of the highest order.

The Coalition touched on a few very important issues, but we've all become so self-entitled that we want everyone else to have to make the necessary sacrifices, just not us.

Bob Hawke (who was a good PM) wanted a GP Co-Payment. If Labor's best PM of the modern era (or ever?) wanted one then it's no evil conspiracy from the Libs to crush the poor blah blah.

The $100,000 degree stuff is bullshit, too. There won't be $100,000 degrees, and those that go up to the highest cost will be those that generate the biggest returns (e.g. medicine - the average GP salary is $180,000, and specialists average more), so the people who would end up paying for it would be the very rich people that Labor wants to demonise at every other opportunity. At the moment, those not attending University (mostly in the lower classes) are paying tax for those who do (many of whom are rich, private school kids riding the lower classes so they can go on to earn $150,000+/year). f**k that shit. You want the degree? Pay for it yourself.

etc.

like you paid for yours ??