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The 2014/15 Off Season Thread

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Barry O'Speedwagon said:
But what change did he try to effect? It seemed to be basically all about himself and his own perceived persecution by authorities. Yeh, he got them to hold up an ISIS flag, but then what?
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while small by comparison to other actions labelled or defined as terrorism, his actions may have been to inspire others and act as a call to arms for people with the same ideology.

the superficial view is that he was a crazy turd sticking up for his own rights but there may be more to the bigger picture. most of society quickly labels the guy as mentally unstable but he may well have had a different end game to what we saw in martin place and as such, would be looked at as a hero/martyr to those with the same world view. if it creates a domino effect of others acting like he did then it's a huge possibility.
 
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Didn't he do exactly what ISIS asked? Whether he was a fruit loop or not, he answered the call of terrorists.
 
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Barry O'Speedwagon said:
Yeh, I'd have thought that Nelson Mandela is a better example of the "one man's freedom fighter is another's terrorist" stuff.
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Interestingly enough only one country has ever been convicted of terrorism in the world court...anyone hazard a guess as to who that was???
 
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Bigfella said:
That's by far the most reasoned and logical post Hindy had ever made
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Since the start of the new year Hindy111 has taken a new approach to life, gone are they days of drugs-one night stands-cigarettes and excessive drinking.
I actually can feel my intelligence rising at a rapid pace.Kind of like Seizar in planet of the apes.
 
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Poupou Escobar said:
The only country that didn't care about getting caught?
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Well they did pretty much ignore the conviction and refused to pay the fines/compensation...but I guess it does now make them experts in identifying acts of terrorism...takes one to know one...
 
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spiderdan said:
while small by comparison to other actions labelled or defined as terrorism, his actions may have been to inspire others and act as a call to arms for people with the same ideology.

the superficial view is that he was a crazy turd sticking up for his own rights but there may be more to the bigger picture. most of society quickly labels the guy as mentally unstable but he may well have had a different end game to what we saw in martin place and as such, would be looked at as a hero/martyr to those with the same world view. if it creates a domino effect of others acting like he did then it's a huge possibility.
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So, you've decided that this is the 'superficial view'? How would you describe the rest of the 2nd paragraph? The 'largely speculative view'?

The 'superficial view' is at least backed by a long history of documented behaviour by this bloke. Of course, it doesn't mean that bloke could not have had multiple motives for his behaviour. It's not obvious that his acts make future attack more or less likely (of course, if one happens people can say 'See....it's a domino effect').

Nothing I've said has anything to do with how big or small his acts were. They were certainly big enough to bereave families and traumatise many others.
 
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Poupou Escobar said:
I kind of agree lingard. Why piss people off for no reason? Just because you despise a group of people is no reason to antagonise them.

Charlie Hebdo should go back to stirring up Christians like every other comedy act in the West. Then they can whinge about Christian oppression when the peaceful protests come in, rather than fearing for their lives when Muslims get pissed off.
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I take your point.
 
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Barry O'Speedwagon said:
So, you've decided that this is the 'superficial view'? How would you describe the rest of the 2nd paragraph? The 'largely speculative view'?

The 'superficial view' is at least backed by a long history of documented behaviour by this bloke. Of course, it doesn't mean that bloke could not have had multiple motives for his behaviour. It's not obvious that his acts make future attack more or less likely (of course, if one happens people can say 'See....it's a domino effect').

Nothing I've said has anything to do with how big or small his acts were. They were certainly big enough to bereave families and traumatise many others.
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sorry Barry. that wasn't a shot at you and superficial was probably not the right word I was looking for.

it was a comment about what I've heard many people say in that they try to completly distance this act from being related to isis. I was just stating that while it may look like and seem that simple to many, that there may have been a deeper motive than just being some psycho with a gun, and could be related directly to the aims of an extremist group.
 
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