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The Amazing John Morris

Generalzod

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I remembered a quote from one of my favourite movies the Godfather part 3 “you will take control. We'll gladly put you at the helm of our little fleet. But our ships, must all sail in the same direction. Otherwise, who can say how long, your stay with us will last? It's not personal, it's only business. You should know, Godfather”

the ships weren’t sailing in the same direction, It’s not Personal it’s only business, kinda explains it all.
 
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Maybe one of these so called journo’s could actually earn their coin and investigate what Ozzie-78 said.

if Orr has done what is suggested he should be exposed.

If what Bomber and Orr were told on Monday, is as Ozzie suggests, it changes the narrative that the club was dishonest with them.
 
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Why are the media giving it to us, when Phil Gould sacked Cleary and Griffin nobody said what kind of dirty club the Panthers are, yet we sack a coach it’s a big f**king no no, he’ll we even have John Morris’s mum giving us a serving..incredible
Gus has said we made great move getting Fitzy
 

PJ

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Maybe one of these so called journo’s could actually earn their coin and investigate what Ozzie-78 said.

if Orr has done what is suggested he should be exposed.

If what Bomber and Orr were told on Monday, is as Ozzie suggests, it changes the narrative that the club was dishonest with them.

Wht the f^&k would anyone believe an Orr brother. Seem to stand out as grubby in an industry dominated by grubs
 
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Maybe one of these so called journo’s could actually earn their coin and investigate what Ozzie-78 said.

if Orr has done what is suggested he should be exposed.

If what Bomber and Orr were told on Monday, is as Ozzie suggests, it changes the narrative that the club was dishonest with them.
Paul Kent has exposed Orr in the paper today saying how he (Orr) sent text messages out yesterday morning saying there's a rumour that Fitzy had decided to pull out of being the coach because of the way Cronulla handled the process. 8 hours later Fitz was signed.
Kent gave it to him, and the way Orr has been dealing with it all.
 
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https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/s...n/news-story/36704a2c08205d0232cb4ff2d43dd29b

Before even breakfast was finished on Tuesday a text message went to several league writers asking them to check out rumours that Craig Fitzgibbon “or his agent” contacted the Sharks and “withdrawn his interest due to the negative and complete lack of professionalism shown by those running the Sharks verses [sic] what he is use [sic] to at the Roosters”.

The text was from John Morris’s manager, Chris Orr.

How anybody could believe the text would survive even the slightest cross-examination is something only Orr could answer, but it reveals the desperate politics to try keeping Morris employed at Cronulla.



It was the sympathy card, that Morris deserved more respect, has almost been played out.

The tactics have backfired and certainly did nothing to help the chances of Morris, who is a good man, having a future at Cronulla. The relationship is now broken.

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John Morris will be replaced by Craig Fitzgibbon at Cronulla next season. Picture: Cameron Spencer/Getty Images
What effect it has on Cronulla for the rest of this season remains to be seen.

Far from withdrawing his interest, Fitzgibbon signed the deal on Tuesday, less than eight hours after the mischievous text messages.
 
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From the same article:



The end for Morris began with the club’s continued frustration at his procrastinations along with an inability to carry the same message from the front office all the way through to the playing group.



Morris’s two greatest supporters in the playing group are halves Shaun Johnson and Chad Townsend.

Johnson is an example of Cronulla’s great frustration with their coach.

Some time back Johnson’s management presented a two-year, $1.6 million deal to Cronulla. They seemed very hopeful at achieving this.

Morris spoke to Johnson and supported the extension. He wanted him at the club. Johnson was pleased.

Privately, though, the Sharks consulted with Morris as part of their retention talks and, in a different meeting, it was agreed that Johnson be offered a one-year deal for about $400,000.

The Sharks have other examples of Morris seemingly incapable of having the tough conversation with his players, telling them one thing while the club another.

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Shaun Johnson is a big supporter of former Sharks coach John Morris. Picture: Richard Dobson
For some time now, by way of another example, the Sharks have been in quiet negotiations to bring Will Chambers to Cronulla.

Chambers left the NRL in 2019 for Japanese rugby but the world’s COVID crisis sabotaged that and now Chambers is back in Australia hoping to secure an NRL contract.

The news broke three days ago that Cronulla was interested and Chambers has been calling Morris for the past three days, wanting to know what is happening.

Yet for reasons that have frustrated the Sharks, Morris has failed to call him back.

When asked, Morris had several concerns.

He asked club officials if Chambers was willing to play for the Sharks’ feeder club, Newtown. Of course Chambers knew there was a protocol to coming back.

More, though, the club saw this as a coach stalling, not prepared to make a decision.

He was also concerned with what he would say to the current centres once they became aware of their interest in Chambers.

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Former Storm star Will Chambers has flagged his interest in a return to the NRL with Cronulla. Picture: AAP Image/Michael Dodge
For most head coaches they are bread and butter decisions yet Morris seemed unwilling to make the call. Meanwhile, as Morris procrastinates, Chambers waits.

Morris’s procrastinations form some of the concerns Cronulla officials have that Morris is still developing into a head coach but is not completely there yet.

They are not one-off incidents.

For a club trying to get back heading towards the top of the NRL, the coach’s hesitations are frustrating.

They certainly know he has all the technical nous to be a good coach.

For some years now the Sharks have been weighed down by salary cap penalties, their cap reduced by $350,000 last season and the season before. At various times highly-paid players Josh Dugan, Matt Moylan, Andrew Fifita and Johnson have been missing for extended periods.

Yet still the Sharks have remained competitive.

Morris has steered the Sharks to the finals in each of the past two seasons.

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John Morris took the Sharks to the finals the past two seasons. Picture: Matt King/Getty Images
This, despite Cronulla owning the unusual record of not beating a top-eight team last season.

Far from upset with Morris’s shortcomings, the Sharks see it as an indication that Morris is still developing as a head coach.

That is why they began exploring the market, not ruling Morris out as the head coach for next season but not prepared to extend him with a new contract.

But the changing narratives have constantly frustrated the club and confirmed the belief he is still developing into a head coach.

Against that, Fitzgibbon interviewed as a coach with firm beliefs.



Soon after Fitzgibbon signed his deal on Tuesday, Sharks boss Dino Mezzatesta called in Morris to tell him.

He was gone before dinner, assistant Josh Hannay taking over immediately.
 

Generalzod

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The ships weren’t sailing in the same direction lol
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/s...n/news-story/36704a2c08205d0232cb4ff2d43dd29b

Before even breakfast was finished on Tuesday a text message went to several league writers asking them to check out rumours that Craig Fitzgibbon “or his agent” contacted the Sharks and “withdrawn his interest due to the negative and complete lack of professionalism shown by those running the Sharks verses [sic] what he is use [sic] to at the Roosters”.

The text was from John Morris’s manager, Chris Orr.

How anybody could believe the text would survive even the slightest cross-examination is something only Orr could answer, but it reveals the desperate politics to try keeping Morris employed at Cronulla.



It was the sympathy card, that Morris deserved more respect, has almost been played out.

The tactics have backfired and certainly did nothing to help the chances of Morris, who is a good man, having a future at Cronulla. The relationship is now broken.

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John Morris will be replaced by Craig Fitzgibbon at Cronulla next season. Picture: Cameron Spencer/Getty Images
What effect it has on Cronulla for the rest of this season remains to be seen.

Far from withdrawing his interest, Fitzgibbon signed the deal on Tuesday, less than eight hours after the mischievous text messages.
 
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Interesting that both Kent/Read have defended us where Crawley/Buzz gone after us.
Kent & Read I think see the benefits in getting inside with Dino and Mace
 

1990 sharkie

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I'm so f**ken tired of hearing how he got us to the finals the past 2 years. That isn't a pass. Making the finals by chance and no being able to beat the 7 teams above us isn't a pass. Failing miserably to manly who had players out isn't a pass. It a big Fail in my eyes
 

taipan

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To me Bomber a decent guy ,nothing underhanded, brought up young players, never spat the dummy.IMO should have been given the year to finish up, if that was his go.That gives him an opportunity to show his wares ,to prospective clubs needing a coach.
Any how the dirty deeds done dirt cheap have been done, pro sport is a ruthless d*ck.Sharks get into another G/F and win one, all the prior crapola ,is soon forgotten.
I wish him well and hope he gets a new gig, with say the new Brisbane club.He deserves future success to make up for the way this shebang ended up.
Good guys always seem to get the raw prawn, in work, and health.I've seen it far too often. That's the reality of life.
 

Quicksilver

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I'm so f**ken tired of hearing how he got us to the finals the past 2 years. That isn't a pass. Making the finals by chance and no being able to beat the 7 teams above us isn't a pass. Failing miserably to manly who had players out isn't a pass. It a big Fail in my eyes

Whether it’s a pass or not cannot must be taken in context.

Finishing eighth shows he’s not terrible. Whether he is good or great relies on taking into account other factors.
 
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To me Bomber a decent guy ,nothing underhanded, brought up young players, never spat the dummy.IMO should have been given the year to finish up, if that was his go.That gives him an opportunity to show his wares ,to prospective clubs needing a coach.
Any how the dirty deeds done dirt cheap have been done, pro sport is a ruthless d*ck.Sharks get into another G/F and win one, all the prior crapola ,is soon forgotten.
I wish him well and hope he gets a new gig, with say the new Brisbane club.He deserves future success to make up for the way this shebang ended up.
Good guys always seem to get the raw prawn, in work, and health.I've seen it far too often. That's the reality of life.
If however the rumour regarding Monday’s meeting is true and then what Morris told Wielder was BS, I could understand the club parting ways now.

Would be nice if that could be confirmed one way or another as it changes the situation a lot
 

to_ddeath

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And suddenly the club who took nearly 50 years to win a comp is greedy for a quick overnight success.
IMO Morris was incredibly hard done by & should be pursuing legal options against the club.
Terrible treatment of this bloke who has done very well with a limited roster.
 

Frailty

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And suddenly the club who took nearly 50 years to win a comp is greedy for a quick overnight success.
IMO Morris was incredibly hard done by & should be pursuing legal options against the club.
Terrible treatment of this bloke who has done very well with a limited roster.

Pursue what legal options exactly? He was off-contract. He will be paid out the rest of the season (assuming this was part of the deal). He has no recourse.
 

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