The AMNRL no longer exist

[siv]

The RLIF should step in a investigate

 

[Evil Homer]

The RLIF should step in a investigate

This should have happened two years ago. The RLIF are spineless.

 

[juro]

Man, and I thought the NRL offseason was painful. At least we know the comp will still exist the next year...

 

[CQ Italia]

amnrl and gpe may have had a falling out I heard a few months ago

 

[Bombay Devils RLFC]

Believe me BD, I am not in Niu's corner on anything. This thread started because someone made a statement based on an opinion, rather than facts.
And it has continued because someone has said that the AMNRL is now selling itself to make some money, and condemning those actions.
From where I sit in Canada, if indeed Niu has changed his course of actions in relation to gaining a foothold in North America, that is, he has taken an approach that the top pro leagues here use, than good. The four leagues I cited earlier are all doing very well, if not great. And believe me the NRL will do well now that they have changed their course. If only Super League would take the same approach then their lot may improve.

But I am not in Niu's corner, not until he relinquishes his total control, and not until the USARL players are eligible for the Tomahawks.

I am not suggesting that you where in his corner at all. And even if you where then that is your prerogitive. I do not know David but regardless of anyones thoughts about him right now he should be congratulated for keeping the game going in the US.

It just sadness me as a life long RL fan to see what is happening to our great game over there right now. I want it to succeed so that so many other people can get to enjoy it as I am sure you do.

Leadership is the key and for all David has done in the past it seems to be lacking here.

 

[parraparraparra]

Niu needs to give up the game, it should have proper governance, surely no one can argue with that.

The constant deals he does and no competition or organisation should ever be without a website!

He need a firm boot after the World Cup! Start a niu, I mean new.

 

[Western_Eel]

Guys it is just an amature sport, I think you are expecting too much

 

[Bronco Rob]

Guys it is just an amature sport, I think you are expecting too much

It definitely is amateur! Western Eel, we're not talking about a park footy setup here, we are talking about a nation that has qualified for the World Cup who have professional players representing them in the National side. While the AMNRL comp is amateur the game still needs to be run with a bit of professionalism and it wasn't that long ago Nui was talking up the League going professional and for ages now we have heard now about all of these backers who were going to give the game the boost it needed to take it to the next step.

 

[byrner]

Guys it is just an amature sport, I think you are expecting too much

This

 

[parraparraparra]

Governance is to be expected at any level.

 

[Evil Homer]

Governance is to be expected at any level.

This.

Niu's governance may be acceptable for the disorganized and frankly shambolic competition that is the AMNRL, however it is not suitable for the overall running of the sport in one of the largest and most powerful nations in the world.

 

[byrner]

This.

Niu's governance may be acceptable for the disorganized and frankly shambolic competition that is the AMNRL, however it is not suitable for the overall running of the sport in one of the largest and most powerful nations in the world.

How many rugby league teams are there in the US? He is not running the NFL, he is running a sport which in the US is so small, to call it minor would be an exageration.

You and many others continue to act on here that league in the US is a professional sport which is being ruined by an evil man an his empire. This is not super league vs the ARL! It is a tiny little sport with less than 20 real teams accross the country.

Yes the situation is not ideal. Yes players should be able to represent their country no matter whT league they play in! But to talk about rugby league in the US as if it needs to be run by proffessionals is a joke. It is an amature sport, played by amatures, run by volunteers! Be greatfull that there are people in the US giving up their time to run the game.

Show some gratitude to the people who got the game in the US to where it was in 2010 (AMNRL), in the same way I show gratitude to the people who are moving it forward in 2013 (USARL)!

 

[Evil Homer]

How many rugby league teams are there in the US? He is not running the NFL, he is running a sport which in the US is so small, to call it minor would be an exageration.

You and many others continue to act on here that league in the US is a professional sport which is being ruined by an evil man an his empire. This is not super league vs the ARL! It is a tiny little sport with less than 20 real teams accross the country.

Yes the situation is not ideal. Yes players should be able to represent their country no matter whT league they play in! But to talk about rugby league in the US as if it needs to be run by proffessionals is a joke. It is an amature sport, played by amatures, run by volunteers! Be greatfull that there are people in the US giving up their time to run the game.

Show some gratitude to the people who got the game in the US to where it was in 2010 (AMNRL), in the same way I show gratitude to the people who are moving it forward in 2013 (USARL)!

No-one is acting as though it's a professional sport and that's not the issue at all. Any sporting league needs to be run with a degree of professionalism regardless of status. If that doesn't happen, the whole thing falls down. My local U8's league is run by a committee. One of the key things that the RLEF stress is good governance, and they are talking about much less developed RL nations than the USA. The fact that it is an amateur sport is no excuse whatsoever for incompetent, corrupt management.

The issue is that Niu and the AMNRL claim to be the major body responsible for the development of the sport in the USA, and at the moment seem to officially hold that status. And the sport cannot ever develop if the people in charge have the attitude that operating in a proper way doesn't matter. If Niu wants to mess about with his mates then that's fine, but if that's the case then he absolutely needs to give up his status as the primary custodian of the sport in the USA. At the moment, because of the status he holds, his actions are detrimental to the development of the sport.

 

[Lone Ranger]

How many rugby league teams are there in the US? He is not running the NFL, he is running a sport which in the US is so small, to call it minor would be an exageration.

You and many others continue to act on here that league in the US is a professional sport which is being ruined by an evil man an his empire. This is not super league vs the ARL! It is a tiny little sport with less than 20 real teams accross the country.

Yes the situation is not ideal. Yes players should be able to represent their country no matter whT league they play in! But to talk about rugby league in the US as if it needs to be run by proffessionals is a joke. It is an amature sport, played by amatures, run by volunteers! Be greatfull that there are people in the US giving up their time to run the game.

Show some gratitude to the people who got the game in the US to where it was in 2010 (AMNRL), in the same way I show gratitude to the people who are moving it forward in 2013 (USARL)!

Great post!

 

[deal.with.it]

Doesn't need to be run by professionals, but good governance.
Would you invest (sponsor) the amnrl in its current form? I'd rather sponsor my local crl group 2 team.

 

[Rhode Island Rebellion]

Doesn't need to be run by professionals, but good governance.
Would you invest (sponsor) the amnrl in its current form? I'd rather sponsor my local crl group 2 team.

I would much rather sponsor the American Youth Rugby League Associations U23 Competition, or the USARL.

 

[IowaRL]

I would much rather sponsor the American Youth Rugby League Associations U23 Competition, or the USARL.

With a lack of website and general presence for the AMNRL, id be tempted to agree. I feel for the clubs (like the Sharks) who do a good job but get dragged down by the problems floating around, both real and otherwise.

 

[Bronco Rob]

How many rugby league teams are there in the US? He is not running the NFL, he is running a sport which in the US is so small, to call it minor would be an exageration.

You and many others continue to act on here that league in the US is a professional sport which is being ruined by an evil man an his empire. This is not super league vs the ARL! It is a tiny little sport with less than 20 real teams accross the country.

Yes the situation is not ideal. Yes players should be able to represent their country no matter whT league they play in! But to talk about rugby league in the US as if it needs to be run by proffessionals is a joke. It is an amature sport, played by amatures, run by volunteers! Be greatfull that there are people in the US giving up their time to run the game.

Show some gratitude to the people who got the game in the US to where it was in 2010 (AMNRL), in the same way I show gratitude to the people who are moving it forward in 2013 (USARL)!

I don't think anyone here is arguing that the domestic game in the US is professional, we're not delusional imbiciles. We are arguing that if David Nui wants to play with the big boys he has to be a lot more professional in his manner and the game needs to be run a lot more professionally. The AMNRL have a team in the World Cup who have professional players playing for them, the game needs to be run professionally. There is a reason why the USARL decided to split from the AMNRL and of course we will never see the USARL players eligible for the Tomahawks because if it were the case there would be no clubs left in the AMNRL.

No-one is denying the fact that Nui has done a good job to get the game started in the US but on the other hand has he also inhibited the growth of the game with his controlling nature. You've got to ask has he done a good job considering the AMNRL has been running for over 20 years and we hear about how much potential the game has in the US but we see no resulting growth? Like I've said earlier we see nations who are in their infancy who have better developed systems in place which much less populations but because they have built from the ground up.

Byrner, I'm not sure if you know the history of the game in the US but yes it is amateur in all sense of the word but it's not for the want of trying that they are not professional. It was only a few years ago we heard the grand plans of this Professional comp the NRLUS which was going to revolutionise the game but again all just a facade with no substance, even Donald Trump was mentioned. There was even talk that the NRL in Aust was going to be in trouble from player drain.

How you can have a professional comp with no grassroots junior or feeder systems in place is unfathomable, the proposal was always doomed. To me with all of these grand plans and announcements it looks like Nui has always had grand plans for the game but has tried to take shortcuts rather than build the game from the ground up which is needed to have a sustainable competition.

You've got to be fair dinkum and if David Nui has the development of the game at his heart then he needs to realise that he needs to relinquish his total control and let new blood with different ideas run the game. There is no reason why the AMNRL can't be in charge of the National side and the USARL run the domestic scene in a collabarative way. How good would it be if there were a Premier division and then a few regional divisions underneath with the junior development and the under 23's comp feeding into this system, that's when we would see the game start to get a proper foothold in the US.

 

[Fatwing15]

From a competition stand point, I think The Sharks are only being hurt by not being able to play against teams like the Fight, Slayers ect. We would run into the same problem if we were in the USARL, not being able to play against teams like the Bulls and Raiders. However, I don't want to come off like I represent The Sharks in any way, I just would really like to play a full competitive schedule against 8 different teams, that will all be solid matches. I don't want to play the same team 5 times in 16 months, and I don't want to play a schedule in which we play 3 noncompetitive over matched teams before we get a chance to play a real game. .

Maybe we are looking at this whole thing from the wrong point of view. I keep hearing about these big problems such as no grass roots development, no school leagues, no feeder clubs ect that are holding the AMNRL back and somehow this is a result of Nui running the league. Perhaps, the AMNRL and USARL are the grass roots, minor league, feeders clubs. The grass roots developmental structure maybe already be in place. Maybe Nui has set the stage for some one else to come in and take things to the next level ;-). Clearly neither league is even close to a professional competition. Seems like Nui has put feelers out there, gauging interest in a professorial comp, seeing what kind of financial backing would be viable, but obviously nothing came of it. Maybe the sport is just waiting for the next dedicated person to try their hand. Just a thought. (before you know it alls pick that paragraph apart, I was just trying to look at things from a different perspective, not all doom and gloom and conspiracy driven.)

It has been alluded to, that the AMNRL wants to have both leagues come together with a democratic governing structure. This would mean that Nui would be taking a diminished leadership role, clearly. Well, lets hear from the USARL and see if they have been approached, let's see if they are even interested in resolving the issues and uniting the leagues.

Kind of curious, how is the USARL is run now? Rep from each team with equal voting power? Or do the more established clubs steer the ship?

 

[deal.with.it]

Obviously established clubs are going to be more persuasive, a new club is never going to front to their first agm and steer the ship. But all clubs do have a rep, and each vote.
My only query is how it works having fight coach peter illfield as chairman, plus ryan mcgough on the board? I feel the chairman should be independent, but I don't know.