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The buck stops with the coaching staff for......

barney gumble

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A witch hunt isn't going to solve anything in my opinion. And just risks excusing some of the prima donna players mentioned above form being accountable for their own form.

I should have said 1-26,m including the coach as much responsible as his players. There is a malaise in the joint, and yes it is the caoch's job to sort it out, or get sorted out of the place himself.

I just think there's a danger in saying a coach is why particular players are choosing to play like busted arses compared to how they were going under the same coach and staff the year before.

My analysis is that the coach (and all the players) have not been particularly well equipped to cope with or successful in getting past Tim's botched return and then release from the club. No-one has seemed hungry all season, and I think quite simply they have not been able to get beyond the loss of (and then betrayal by?) their number 1 playmaker and mate.

The coach has to take responsibility for not getting that underlying issue fixed, but that's a lot different to being responsible for every little personal failure of the 25 guys who should toughen up, stop counting their cash and pull their fingers out when the going gets tough.

That is unless the coach had asked the club for extra help under teh circumstances (sports psychologist etc) and it was refused? But by the sound of all the quotes, he hasn't even worked out what the underlying problem with everyone is and just believes it will magically come good one week :lol:

I totally agree with you. I was in no way absolving the players of any responsibility to perform as individuals. And I wasn't pointing the finger directly at Hagan either. It is the whole coaching team that need reviewing. Either way all the good coaches across any sport know how to get the best out of individuals.

The Eels coaching staff are hardly getting the best performances out of the individual players and the buck does stop with them.
 

cirque

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We did not win a single GF under Bryan Smith, why blame Hagan for it. Yes, it looks like he is calm. What do you think you expect him to say during press conference? Probably, he wants to make change and Fitzy does not agree to it.
Look at ex players like Sterlo, or Kenny or Ray Price. They are quite happy to sit at the fence and shot some statement. Did anyone come up and challenge Parramatta League management? The answer is NO. Nobody give f***k about our club. We are couple of members here spilling our guts out.
As I mentioned in other post- we do not have winning culture. WE do not have captain like Steve Price or Fittler or Joey. WE are a mediocre team with mediocre management. You can bring super coach - but until and unless the present management leave Parra nothing is going to happen. It is a rort, which has started as minor ailments and turned out to be a cancer. Trust me folks - we cannot win GF - not in another couple of years..... Therefore, I think it will be long long season for us....
 

eel4life

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They way we have performed this year is due to coaching.

anything that happens now is too late ... another year wasted
 

forward pass

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We have the players.

Suity

But do we?? As I said in that other thread, I think we all need to realise that our team is not as good as everyone thinks it is. We have some great players - Mateo, Hindy and Inu but not much around them.

I think we all need to face facts.
 
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But do we?? As I said in that other thread, I think we all need to realise that our team is not as good as everyone thinks it is. We have some great players - Mateo, Hindy and Inu but not much around them.

I think we all need to face facts.

Yes we do have the Playing Staff, and while some will debate this I think we have the staff next year as well.
 

The Colonel

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We have some of the playing staff but they are lacking cohesion, motivation and fitness...... and we over rate some of these kids heavily and don't give others the time enough to mature properly. Some of those playing staff are seemingly playing injured.

We under utilise our Premier League squad to the point of it isn't even worth having one.

Retention and recruitment is poor in more ways than one.

Problem is there are so many fingers to point you can't point at any more people.

A clean out of massive proportions across a lot of levels is required.
 

fish eel

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But do we?? As I said in that other thread, I think we all need to realise that our team is not as good as everyone thinks it is. We have some great players - Mateo, Hindy and Inu but not much around them.

I think we all need to face facts.

I think we definately have the players.

We have very talented and brilliant young guys in the backline.

Our forward pack, when they have their game faces on can hold anybody. Problem is, they rarely have that game face on nowdays

Yes we do have the Playing Staff, and while some will debate this I think we have the staff next year as well.

I'm not so sure about next season, particuarly from a depth perspective
 

The Colonel

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Depth?

:lol:

SG Ball will be called upon next year......

As for D. Anderson, there are some positives to his appointment but the negatives may well outweigh them given the high Polynesian influence the Eels have.......
 

fish eel

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Depth?

:lol:

SG Ball will be called upon next year......

better them than wenty :sarcasm:


As for D. Anderson, there are some positives to his appointment but the negatives may well outweigh them given the high Polynesian influence the Eels have.......

I dont see that being an issue TBH.

Much water under the bridge, Anderson would have hopefully have learnt his lesson and our 'polynesians' in some cases are home grown, so to speak. Completely different environment to what he had at the warriors.
 

The Colonel

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I think it would be interesting to get a list of the Part time squad but nothing has been forthcoming on that.

A little birdy told me that most of the team at Wenty outside of Brod Wright, Galuvao and Grothe are off contract and as yet no one has spoken to them despite the nibbles they are being fed........

Good thing Harold Matts won this year.
 

Bigfella

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We have some of the playing staff but they are lacking cohesion, motivation and fitness...... and we over rate some of these kids heavily and don't give others the time enough to mature properly. Some of those playing staff are seemingly playing injured.

We under utilise our Premier League squad to the point of it isn't even worth having one.

Retention and recruitment is poor in more ways than one.

Problem is there are so many fingers to point you can't point at any more people.

A clean out of massive proportions across a lot of levels is required.

Great post mate. Couldn't agree more.

It seems some of those factors continue to be ignored year after year.

Fitness in particular.

Team balance, and lack of props especially, has been a problem for many years.

Player retention and forward planning have been reduced to a debacle in the last few years.
 

Fathead

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I for one would hate to be an NRL coach and Hagan is one of a number of persons that has to make decisions regarding the make up of the team.
He is the one who has access to the training and match videos, the performance sheets of each player and he knows the personal traits of every player at his disposal.
It is his decison to pick a team on what he believes to be the best chance of winning the game.
My biggest problem with Michael Hagan is his apparent lack of ruthlessness. He seems to give players too much latitude and as a result right at this moment, the lack of respect that the players have for him is glaringly obvious.

The question has to be asked : If Craig Bellamy was to take over this team for a month, how would the team play?
Would the individual players play better knowing that a huge spray and a demotion would follow their tardiness ? or would it make no difference?

I believe that we are witnessing the classic human behaviour of "while the boss is away..."
If your boss was away from work for a week and said to you - do what you want and there will be no consequences - what would you do?
If you are like me I would be doing stuff all ,other than playing cricket in the hallways and goofing around.
Has Hagan said this to his troops ? No... You sure ?
Maybe thats the message he has portrayed to the team.

What Im saying is that it is classic human behaviour to look for the easy way out, to gravitate towards a boss who is more than a friend than a hard taskmaster.

Parra went from a system under the 'hard taskmaster' in Brian Smith where work was done and limited joy was found to the 'absent taskmaster' in Michael Hagan. At first the players felt liberated from the oppressiveness of Smith and told one and all that they felt 'liberated' in the way Micahel Hagan coached.
Unforturnately the liberal attitude created by Hagan has created its own problems, players looking for easy outs are just not going that little bit extra as they have no fear in retaliation by the coach, from the coaches point of view, its hard to be everyones friend and suddenly turn into an orge when you have to discipline them.

The ability to manage people is the same whether it is a football team or a bunch of lads in a panelbeating shop. You have to have the ability to relate to the common man, you have to inspire and you have to have that aloofness that tells the troops - "Its OK to be my friend but if you stuff up , Im going to come down on you hard". Its this main reason why most workers dont like the boss.

I beleive that is where Parra is now. Hages has created a place where carefree is the norm and consequences are few.
To the players he is more a mate than a boss. He threatens the players with the sack but it is the same as one of your mates telling you that he may do something similar, it just doesnt have the same punch.
There is no going back for him and his position is untenable.

I was talking to Craig Catterick the other day and he told me that he was talking to Hayne before SOO 3 and Hayne said to him, "I just want to to do my best , Im scared of stuffing up " When pressed Cat said that Jazz wasnt scared of anything footballing wise, he was scared of facing Bellamy if he did stuff up.
Cat also mentioned that he loved his first taste of rep duties and couldnt believe the 'respect' that the players had for the coach who really took no sh*t from anyone.

Probably sums it up doesnt it ?
 

TheRam

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We have some of the playing staff but they are lacking cohesion, motivation and fitness...... and we over rate some of these kids heavily and don't give others the time enough to mature properly. Some of those playing staff are seemingly playing injured.

We under utilise our Premier League squad to the point of it isn't even worth having one.

Retention and recruitment is poor in more ways than one.

Problem is there are so many fingers to point you can't point at any more people.

A clean out of massive proportions across a lot of levels is required.





:clap:
 

The Colonel

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Great post mate. Couldn't agree more.

It seems some of those factors continue to be ignored year after year.

Fitness in particular.

Team balance, and lack of props especially, has been a problem for many years.

Player retention and forward planning have been reduced to a debacle in the last few years.


The first thing they should do at training this week is write everyones name on a sticker and put it on their chest. Maybe if they took the time to get to know each other they would stop playing like strangers.
 

emjaycee

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The first thing they should do at training this week is write everyones name on a sticker and put it on their chest. Maybe if they took the time to get to know each other they would stop playing like strangers.

My wife reckons that they should be locked in the auditorium with a keg of beer each and not let out until they are mates. And she doesnt even follow the game.
 

fish eel

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The first thing they should do at training this week is write everyones name on a sticker and put it on their chest. Maybe if they took the time to get to know each other they would stop playing like strangers.

What would the normal prep be for a Friday night game in Sydney?

The least that the coach should do is to take them into 'camp' later this week.
 

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