The buck stops with the coaching staff for......

[The Colonel]

Brookvale game would normally have them bussing it to the ground on Friday......

I am pretty sure they used to do that at one stage - stay the night in a hotel the night before the game, even at "home".

There certainly seems to be some sort of divsiion amongst them.

 

[hineyrulz]

There seems plenty of division in the ranks, not sure if it's some of the older guys resenting the younger guys. Or the younger guys and the older blokes not being on the same page. Or it just might be the do not respect Hagan.

 

[forward pass]

Depth?

:lol:

SG Ball will be called upon next year......

As for D. Anderson, there are some positives to his appointment but the negatives may well outweigh them given the high Polynesian influence the Eels have.......

Wasn't he the first Warriors coach to actually manage the polynesians correctly? It may have gone pearshaped eventually but he certainly had them playing as a a team for 80 minutes - every week !

Anyway, why talk about Anderson. This club would not make a sensible decision like that !

 

[yy_cheng]

I had a boss who everyone in the company respected and wanted to follow. He was a true leader. People didn't even think about changing jobs as they thought that they would let him down.

He took care of everybody and listened to everybody. Someone asked him why and he said that he had served in the Vietnam war and that they had to work as a team. If someone let the team down or had a weakness and didn't communicate it, they could all DIE.

He transformed what he learnt at war into his management style.

I think we should just send the team to Afghanistan for a week and see if they would work for each other.

 

[bartman]

That's pefect Bartman. I think you've just answered my answer. If we have 17 talented players who were tipped at the begining of the year to challenge Melbourne, but yet we find themselves languishing 10 spots below the leaders (and lucky to be there I might add), than the person in charge of those 17 needs to be accounted.
f**k being nice mate. We've been nice for 22 years. No room for under-achievers Bartman.

Yeah, but you can't just keep dropping the 17 players (or coach) who are underachieving mid-season. The salary cap coveres 25 players and there's a limit to how many players you can bring in and use in the one season.

If we're talking about clean outs and the like for the future, I think the best thing we could do is return to some form of incentivised contract, where players only get their full money if they actually win. Or something like a swear jar, where players have to give back some money when they play like busted arses and lose by more than 6 points.

Watch the motivation flow then, when there's something they care about at $take! Would never get past the majority of player managers, and we'd lose a lot of the guys who just want a cushy hefty contract, but even if we take a dip in quality, the players we'd be left with or do sign up would be hungry as all hell week in week out.

That's what most of us are bemoaning, the lack of passion, effort, energy and motivation for 80 minutes on show, and if the money is in danger (again, like it used to be) it doesn't matter who the coach is, the players would look within and motivate themselves, and each other.

 

[bartman]

Bart, you say that changing a coach may not necessarily change things.

It worked once for this lot of players (Smith > JT mid-season), but if we try the mid-season coach swap thing too often, we might find diminishing returns.

Why aren't we getting the best out of them??

My current theory is that all of them (including coach Hagan) need some intensive sports psychology sessions to get them to come to terms with Tim Smith's personal situation over the past year, the effects of the absence of Tim as the planned playmaker, and the effects of him then turning his back on the club and signing eslewhere, only a matter of 2-3 months ago (mid-season).

I honestly suspect the whole squad has been mentally scarred by those events, whether they like to look inside and admit it openly or not? For some of them this would be Jamie territory again, for others/younger ones it will be a first time they've seen someone desert and is a big blow. Coach has no way to handle it, and is probably scarred himself from having his game plan for the year disappear before his very eyes, with no plan b.

My hope is that the (remaining) squad will be over these events come next season, when Tim's drinking buddy Riddell jets off tyo join him in England, and some of the younger ones have more life/footy experience, and the older ones taste the dishonour of not making the finals, and get hungry for it as their time in the game gets shorter.

However, by now I would have expected to have seen signs of a plan from Hagan about how he is going to fix our halves next year, and allow feleti into the back row for which he was intended, pre-Tim's departure. I would have expected a pro-active development of K Keating into the first grade, rather than just a one off, or maybe a signing or two given the money that is becoming free (unless we stupidly promised it all to Hayne and Inu in advance). So my hopes aren't great, but still think swpaping deckchairs early on the coaching Titanic won't solve the issues at stake.

 

[fish eel]

My current theory is that all of them (including coach Hagan) need some intensive sports psychology sessions to get them to come to terms with Tim Smith's personal situation over the past year, the effects of the absence of Tim as the planned playmaker, and the effects of him then turning his back on the club and signing eslewhere, only a matter of 2-3 months ago (mid-season).

I honestly suspect the whole squad has been mentally scarred by those events, whether they like to look inside and admit it openly or not? For some of them this would be Jamie territory again, for others/younger ones it will be a first time they've seen someone desert and is a big blow. Coach has no way to handle it, and is probably scarred himself from having his game plan for the year disappear before his very eyes, with no plan b.

My hope is that the (remaining) squad will be over these events come next season, when Tim's drinking buddy Riddell jets off tyo join him in England, and some of the younger ones have more life/footy experience, and the older ones taste the dishonour of not making the finals, and get hungry for it as their time in the game gets shorter.

However, by now I would have expected to have seen signs of a plan from Hagan about how he is going to fix our halves next year, and allow feleti into the back row for which he was intended, pre-Tim's departure. I would have expected a pro-active development of K Keating into the first grade, rather than just a one off, or maybe a signing or two given the money that is becoming free (unless we stupidly promised it all to Hayne and Inu in advance). So my hopes aren't great, but still think swpaping deckchairs early on the coaching Titanic won't solve the issues at stake.

In a nutshell, we need to find the ticket to overcome adversity.

 

[forward pass]

Does anyone else think we warm up for way too long? The bunnies were out there warming up for 10 minutes. We were out there for what seemed 20-25 minutes. Any wonder we lack energy in games.

 

[stuke]

i thought it was strange, not so much with the length of the warm up, but the time of it. the players would have only just got back into the sheds before turning around and filing back out for kick off. only a little thing but Hagan would not have any time to address the team before they go out on the field.

does this happen normally?

 

[MarkInTheStands]

Does anyone else think we warm up for way too long? The bunnies were out there warming up for 10 minutes. We were out there for what seemed 20-25 minutes. Any wonder we lack energy in games.

We warm up for 18 minutes exactly. it is the same warm up patten we have been using at the club since 2004.

 

[bartman]

In a nutshell, we need to find the ticket to overcome adversity.

Yep, no bounce-back-ability this season.

Looked like we might with the effort in game 1 v Bulldogs, coming back after half time for a win.

But we've even lost that spark now, in these rounds when we should be hitting our straps more than ever.

It needed to change three weeks ago, it didn't and now it will be too late, even if we manage to somehow magically beat the competition leaders, there is no evidence to say we wouldn't just falter against the Cowboys the week after.

 

[Suitman]

We warm up for 18 minutes exactly. it is the same warm up patten we have been using at the club since 2004.

So, your telling me that every warm up we have had since 2004 has gone for exactly 18 minutes.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Suity

 

[pk76]

Parra went from a system under the 'hard taskmaster' in Brian Smith where work was done and limited joy was found to the 'absent taskmaster' in Michael Hagan. At first the players felt liberated from the oppressiveness of Smith and told one and all that they felt 'liberated' in the way Micahel Hagan coached.
Unforturnately the liberal attitude created by Hagan has created its own problems, players looking for easy outs are just not going that little bit extra as they have no fear in retaliation by the coach, from the coaches point of view, its hard to be everyones friend and suddenly turn into an orge when you have to discipline them.

Spot on.

 

[MarkInTheStands]

So, your telling me that every warm up we have had since 2004 has gone for exactly 18 minutes.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Suity

In and around but its average is 18 minutes without complication

 

[forward pass]

In and around but its average is 18 minutes without complication

18 minutes to warm up???? That is a quarter of a match.

...and is it normal to finish the warm-up - walk back to the sheds and run out a couple of minutes later??? What about last minute instructions. There is hardly any time.

I can't see how it can be beneficial. Warm up and stretch - absolutely. But to have a near training session??? Don't they do enough of that during the week.

 

[MarkInTheStands]

18 minutes to warm up???? That is a quarter of a match.

...and is it normal to finish the warm-up - walk back to the sheds and run out a couple of minutes later??? What about last minute instructions. There is hardly any time.

Pretty much, the finish up. Go through the Team Bonding thing and then Cayless gets them in a Circle for the Building Run / Pep talk then out they go.

I can't see how it can be beneficial. Warm up and stretch - absolutely. But to have a near training session??? Don't they do enough of that during the week.

Having watched it a bit and talked to Hayden Knowles about it. It gets everything working.

You have the Leg Swings for the Hips. The Leg stretches, the wrestling for upper body impact, then there is the running lines as a team then in groups of 4 with some ball movement and handling. Moving to the groups of 4 defensive movement drill which gets their minds and body's working on moving as a unit. Then the kickers do some practice shots the forwards do some running at some hit pads and the outside backs take a few practice catches from Finchy or Mateo.

 

[parra pete]

18 minutes warm up. The new scapegoat. Crucify the warmup. Crucify it...

 

[stuke]

But to have a near training session??? Don't they do enough of that during the week.

the fitness levels would suggest that they don't.

 

[eel4life]

do you want to know why a team like manly are doing better than a team like parra, its pretty simple.

Dessy doesnt cop bullsh*t from anyone. his players know that, if they want to play they do as he says or guess what ... they do not play ... they have a siege mentality everyone hates em they love it, thats what the thrive on ...

Dessy is a fitness freak himself, the team under his coaching has gotten them from having ability but no fitness so they were always in and out of games, this year they are always in games and they can win in the last 20 ...

they have done it to us for the last 2 seasons, we have been close but they smash us at the end ..

our team isnt hard, our team is weak, we give up to easy ...

titans are well coached but have the best trainer in the game, he is going to the cowboys next year and look what happens to them, the dogs had him and they were the same ...

our problems are to the way we are trained and the way we are coached,

talented team we have, but when the going gets tough or we get a pack that wants to hit cause they can we do not like it, we buckle.

I have watched the English super league and Anderson is cranky whey they are winning, this is because he strives for perfection, hagan i have never seen emotion from him nothing ...

Bellamy, Hasler, Stuart these guys are cranky coaches and they are the ones who have been successful over the last 5 years ... they are cranky cause they strive for perfection and do not take crap from anyone player no matter how talented they are ... Matai is he better that what we have, pomeroy, and the likes no but under a well coached system they thrive ... forget melbourne but even them talent coming out of everywhere and under bellamy they are doing it cause of his temprament ...

 

[Belly in Brisvegas]

do you want to know why a team like manly are doing better than a team like parra, its pretty simple.

Dessy doesnt cop bullsh*t from anyone. his players know that, if they want to play they do as he says or guess what ... they do not play ... they have a siege mentality everyone hates em they love it, thats what the thrive on ...

Dessy is a fitness freak himself, the team under his coaching has gotten them from having ability but no fitness so they were always in and out of games, this year they are always in games and they can win in the last 20 ...

they have done it to us for the last 2 seasons, we have been close but they smash us at the end ..

our team isnt hard, our team is weak, we give up to easy ...

titans are well coached but have the best trainer in the game, he is going to the cowboys next year and look what happens to them, the dogs had him and they were the same ...

our problems are to the way we are trained and the way we are coached,

talented team we have, but when the going gets tough or we get a pack that wants to hit cause they can we do not like it, we buckle.

I have watched the English super league and Anderson is cranky whey they are winning, this is because he strives for perfection, hagan i have never seen emotion from him nothing ...

Bellamy, Hasler, Stuart these guys are cranky coaches and they are the ones who have been successful over the last 5 years ... they are cranky cause they strive for perfection and do not take crap from anyone player no matter how talented they are ... Matai is he better that what we have, pomeroy, and the likes no but under a well coached system they thrive ... forget melbourne but even them talent coming out of everywhere and under bellamy they are doing it cause of his temprament ...

I'll go along with that line of thinking.

Cement pills please!!!!