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The Bunker

LineBall

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I would rather they get rid of the video ref completely mid season. They just can't seem to stop digging and making that hole deeper.
 

expert

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We need to overhaul the current refereeing system.

Let's hire 2 of the dumbest merkins responsible for the rotation system in cricket and some of the most baffling origin selections of all time to front the review panel...
I will cast my eye over this.
 

Charlie124

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This smells a lot like the "lets try 10 referees" idea. Technology doesn't seem to be helping so lets throw even more technology into the mix to fix the problem.
 

pHyR3

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This smells a lot like the "lets try 10 referees" idea. Technology doesn't seem to be helping so lets throw even more technology into the mix to fix the problem.

why doesnt technology help?

you think theyd make BETTER decisions with one look in real time than high def video cameras in slow mo? :lol:
 

El Diablo

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This smells a lot like the "lets try 10 referees" idea. Technology doesn't seem to be helping so lets throw even more technology into the mix to fix the problem.

Because your common sense might be different to what the next guy thinks is common sense. As the article states, the NRL uses up to 18 different blokes over the course of a weekend in the video refs box. Streamlining that down to a few guys in a central room might finally bring some consistency to the decision making.
 

Sea_Eagles_Rock

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Oh please. Faster decisions would be great, the priority should be to make the right damn decision first. Get that done first, then look at speed. But no, Gyngall wants more ads per hour. We need to speed up the the game time so he can compete with other networks.

The streaming revolution is here... Tell channel 9 to eat a giant bag of dongers. Do what's best for the game. Fix the errors. It is killing the game for the fans, which will kill the game ultimately.
 

betcats

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Why make this more complcated fmd. Just look at the f**king replay and decide if it is a try without slowing it down to super slowmo so you can find some doubt where there is none.
 

Canard

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I see almost no-one read the article.

This trial won't be part of the in-game decision making, its just to make a comparison.

There is no rule changing happening (yet).
 

POPEYE

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Why make this more complcated fmd. Just look at the f**king replay and decide if it is a try without slowing it down to super slowmo so you can find some doubt where there is none.

Exactly, just judge everything in normal speed, people will have to understand that any decision is made as through the eyes of a better positioned adjudicator . . . not a time wasting dickhead with a slide rule
 

El Diablo

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http://www.theage.com.au/rugby-leag...set-to-be-a-game-changer-20150602-ghexbo.html

NRL video referees bunker is set to be a 'game changer'

Date
June 2, 2015 - 10:00PM

Brad Walter
Brad Walter
Sports Reporter

The establishment of a video referees bunker next season would enable the NRL to introduce a captain's challenge, announce judiciary charges at full-time, reduce interchanges and enhance the value of the broadcast rights, as well as helping match officials to make decisions faster and more accurately.

After an 11-match trial over the past three rounds, NRL head of football Todd Greenberg is ready to recommend the league make a multi-million investment in a video referees bunker similar to those used by all major US sporting codes.

Fairfax Media was invited to sit in NRL's central command centre at ANZ Stadium on Monday night as Luke Patten and Bernard Sutton used five screens to check and review the calls as they were being made in the Sydney Roosters-Melbourne clash at Allianz Stadium, and can confirm that the system will lead to significantly quicker decision making.

While referee Jared Maxwell did not seek a review of any of the Roosters' four tries, data from Sunday's Warriors-Knights match shows that it took the officials in the bunker an average of 20.3 seconds to rule on the six tries referred compared with an average of 58.5 seconds taken by the video referee at Mt Smart Stadium.

The officials involved in the trial would have also overturned a try awarded to Newcastle prop Kade Snowden last Monday night against Brisbane because the video referee did not have sufficient evidence to do so from the footage shown to him by the broadcaster on one screen in a room at Hunter Stadium.

However, Greenberg believes the introduction of a central command centre for video referees will have other benefits for the game, including the possible introduction of a captain's challenge and the ability for the match review committee to announce charges at full-time.

"This is a game changer on so many different levels and there are other parts of the NRL business, particularly football, that will change also, so things like match review and the judiciary will change significantly with a real-time operation," Greenberg said.

"We are at the very start of this but the opportunities are endless. It gives us the ability to seriously consider a captain's challenge and we could have the match review committee here looking at incidents while the game is on and then announcing the charges after full-time.

"This is linked to the interchange review as well, because as you are trying to build fatigue into the game – clearly at the moment we are getting all these stoppages, but if you take all of those out the fatigue on the players will be significantly more.

With the amount of stoppage time for video referee decisions on tries reduced by 3:49 minutes in Sunday's Warriors-Knights match, the game's broadcasters have the ability to slot in more advertisements during their coverage and Greenberg said that could add to the value of the television rights.

The NRL's broadcast partners, Channel Nine, Fox Sports and Sky Sports, have been involved in the trial, along with digital rights holder and major sponsor Telstra, and Greenberg said they were supportive.

"We want the game to be continuous and we want the fans to watch something they genuinely are engaged in, and the long stoppages currently under the video referee model do the opposite of that," Greenberg said.

"What we have seen clearly over the 11 games so far is that accuracy levels have improved, efficiency levels have improved significantly so there is a decrease in time and we have seen a more consistent approach with less people involved."

There will be one more trial next weekend before NRL officials compile all of the data from the 12 games to present to the ARLC.

Greenberg admitted the introduction of a central command centre would be costly but he believes the benefits make it worthwhile.

"We honestly don't know because we are in the middle of scoping all of this but it will be a significant investment for the game to make," he said. "It will be in the millions of dollars."
 

El Diablo

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http://www.news.com.au/national/the...em-for-12-months/story-e6frfkp9-1227380287400

The NRL is close approving a video referee bunker after trialling the system for 12 months

by: DAVID RICCIO
June 03, 2015 12:00AM

THE NRL is just two months away from rubberstamping the most significant changes to the game since the introduction of the video referee 20 years ago.

On the verge of finalising a report into a 12-match trial of the same video referee bunker technology used in the NBA, the NRL believes fans will benefit from an Australian- first multimillion-dollar, nine-camera- angle central command centre.

Quicker and more accurate decisions, “live in-game” rulings via the introduction of a captain’s challenge or coach’s call, match review committee charges laid after every match and an increase in revenue from an enhanced broadcast deal are all feasible under the bunker system.

NRL head of football Todd Greenberg, alongside consultant and digital expert Stuart Taggart, is in charge of overseeing the bunker system trial which he hopes to present to the ARL Commission in August.

Greenberg described the bunker technology as one of the greatest innovations the game has seen.

“We think this is a game changer for rugby league and sport potentially in this country,’’ he said. “It will give our referees and match officials all the tools and the most up-to-date technology so they can form the best decisions possible in an environment which is conducive to decision-making.”

THE BUNKER

The Daily Telegraph was invited inside the NRL bunker for Monday night’s Sydney Roosters-Melbourne match at Allianz Stadium.

Situated 20km west in a small room with a single door and no windows on the lower level of ANZ Stadium, video referee Luke Patten, assistant Bernard Sutton and acting supervisor, NRL referees boss Tony Archer, put the bunker to the test.

Patten analysed the live feed on two plasma screens while Sutton had control of two TVs, including a touch screen offering nine different camera angles, hyper-speed replays and extreme zoom capabilities.

Sutton also had a microphone which, if the bunker was in operation, would allow him to transmit his decision of any call down the line to Allianz Stadium.

“This is Sydney confirming a try,’’ Sutton said, breaking the silence after Roosters winger Shaun Kenny-Dowall crossed in the first half.

It was a long way from Brookvale Oval, where fans are renowned for banging on the video referee’s window as he attempts to make a call.

The bunker system differs to the current video referee model, which was first introduced in the Super League era of 1996.

Under the current model, the host broadcaster — either Nine or Fox Sports — dictates when and which replays NRL video referees have access to. Typically, the video referee has one TV to look at as he waits for the replays to appear.

It’s one of the biggest reasons why fans are forced to wait, sometimes for as long two minutes, for the video referee to receive the desired replay.

Here, the NRL takes control of the technology with unlimited access to different camera angles.

What’s surprising is it has taken the NRL this long to take control of something so significant.

“How we use it in games with things like captain’s challenge and things like coach’s call become real and viable opportunities with this technology,’’ Greenberg said.

MORE ACTION

In the 33rd minute of the Roosters-Storm clash, Melbourne purposely dawdled towards their goalposts in the hope that TV replays would confirm that Melbourne winger Mahe Fonua had caught the football on the full inside his own in-goal, resulting in a 20m restart.

It took close to a minute for TV replays to confirm a line dropout, as fans waited. Back in the bunker, with his super-speed replay and camera angles, Sutton confirmed it in 15 seconds.

THE VIDEO REVOLUTION

In-the-runreviews & instant rulings
Captain’schallenge
Nine camera angles
Post-matchreview charge sheet
Lesstime spent on replays
Extra TVrevenue

MONEYMATTERS

Every 30seconds saved equals potential revenue for TV ads
State ofOrigin: $90,000 for a 30-second ad
Fridaynight football: $30,000 for a 30-second ad
Sundayfootball: $8000 for a 30-second ad


Included in Greenberg’s pitch to the commission will be the eight minutes and 35 seconds saved by the bunker trial from 11 referrals.

“We’ve found with the bunker system we’re down about half the average time of a referral,’’ Greenberg said. “The average referral is about 90 seconds and we’re down to about 40.”

INCREASED REVENUE

The NRL has worked with broadcast partners Fox Sports, Channel 9 and Sky Sports to finetune the bunker system.

Fewer delays and “dead time” between video referee decisions pave the way for the possibility of extra commercial breaks, which will be undoubtedly raised when the next round of TV broadcast negotiations begin.

A 30-second commercial on Friday night is worth around $20,000. It’s around $8000 on a Sunday.

Across 26 weeks — not including State of Origin — the game’s financial return courtesy of the bunker could result in millions of extra revenue.

“I’m sure that will be discussed,’’ Greenberg said. “We want the game to be continuous and we want the fans to watch something that they are genuinely engaged in. The long stoppages currently under the video referee model are the opposite of that.

“This is about fans. It’s about giving them a product they want to watch and to do that we want the ball in play, we want the game being played continuously. The opportunities are endless.’’

CHARGE SHEET

In the 35th minute of Monday night football, Archer spotted what he believed was a possible crusher tackle by Roosters forward Kane Evans.

CASE STUDY 1: R12 WARRIORS V KNIGHTS

Six video referrals
Video referee averaged 58.5 seconds per decision
Bunker averaged 20.3 seconds per decision
Average time saved per decision: 38.2 seconds
Estimated time saving of 3 minutes 49 seconds during the match

CASE STUDY 2: R11 KNIGHTS V BRONCOS

Two video referrals
Video referee averaged 80.5 seconds per decision
Bunker averaged 47.5 seconds per decision
Estimated average time saved per decision: 33 seconds
Estimated time saving of 1 minute 6 seconds during the match

“Just go back there Bernie and see if he (Storm player) gets his head out,’’ Archer said.

Patten monitored the game as Sutton wheeled back the suspect vision. Currently, the NRL has no power to assess a controversial incident, unless Nine or Fox Sports replay it.

“That’s fine,’’ Archer said upon review of the footage, which was available in under a second. Greenberg said that due to the increased speed of technology and nine camera angles it was conceivable that the NRL match review committee could determine whether a charge would be laid after every match, as opposed to every Monday.

MORE RIGHT CALLS

The NRL currently uses more than 20 video referees across a season at eight different locations each weekend.

“We will bring that down to a very small single digit number of people in one location, which is really conducive to good decision-making,’’ Greenberg said. “The three core components of this is efficiency; short, sharp decisions, getting on with it. The second part is consistency. You’ve got three people making decisions over the weekend with a supervisor, potentially overseeing every game. You’ve got the opportunity to be more accurate.

“We don’t know because we’re in the middle of scoping all this but it will be a significant investment for the game to make. It will be in the millions of dollars. But the thing that I think is really important for fans is what we call authenticity or transparency of how we make our decisions.

“They would have full view of the process and understand how the decision is being made.”
 

POPEYE

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Just to make sure I understand this correctly someone explain how quicker decisions should lead to more commercial breaks and how that speeds up the game
 

Canard

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This keeps getting dredged up about every few months. Is it actually ever going to eventuate?

It's a bit like those miracle cure for cancer stories on the nightly news.
 

Canard

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Just to make sure I understand this correctly someone explain how quicker decisions should lead to more commercial breaks and how that speeds up the game

Id assume the reduction of multiple slow mo replays, by making a decision quicker means that they can cut to an ad faster prior to the conversion.

That's the only reasoning I can see.

In reality I can't see it saving any time at all, or very minimal time saving.
 

POPEYE

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Id assume the reduction of multiple slow mo replays, by making a decision quicker means that they can cut to an ad faster prior to the conversion.

That's the only reasoning I can see.

In reality I can't see it saving any time at all, or very minimal time saving.

I don't like the sound of it. I'm all for The Bunker, especially if the personnel manning it are only replaced if they consistently blunder, the thing about ads is disconcerting though. We want closer to 80 minutes of football than we're getting, we want less interchange so the game is attractive to stamina, we don't want windows for advertisement

If Toddy thinks he needs a broadcaster with the best technology and is prepared to pander to their shit he needs to go, find someone who can convince broadcasters the game itself is paramount. Two steps forward and one back is not what supporters want to see
 

Lockyer4President!

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Sounds great, looking forward to having it up & running.

Just to make sure I understand this correctly someone explain how quicker decisions should lead to more commercial breaks and how that speeds up the game
Seems to me that;

Less time spent on video ref replays = more gametime with the ball in play.
More gametime = more chances for tries and goals.
More tries and goals = more opportunities to fit in an ad.
 

POPEYE

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Sounds great, looking forward to having it up & running.


Seems to me that;

Less time spent on video ref replays = more gametime with the ball in play.
More gametime = more chances for tries and goals.
More tries and goals = more opportunities to fit in an ad.

Very optimistic, let's hope Toddy has more tries in mind as the only way to increase ads. Methinks he may consider more game time an excuse not to introduce less interchange, why is everyone's guess. I would consider not giving a game 20 minutes head start and record out the ads IF ads only followed tries
 

El Diablo

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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...382043576?nk=54683c889c7ada2e5c8c01b7cd4bdec5

Club bosses react with caution over video referees’ bunker

The Australian
June 04, 2015 12:00AM

Club chief executives have reacted with caution to the news the NRL is considering a multi-million-*dollar, state of the art video referees bunker, claiming the money might be better spent redirected to their annual grants.

The Australian revealed yesterday the NRL was in the final stages of trialling a bunker system that is expected to be presented to the ARL Commission for consideration in August with a view to introducing it next season.

Working in its favour is the fact the trials have already shown an improvement in the efficiency, accuracy and consistency around decision-making.

But working against it is the fact the game will have to outlay millions of dollars every year to use the US-based technology.

“As far as promoting our sport as a professional sport we’ve got to go the next level in all aspects,’’ Sydney Roosters chief executive Brian Canavan said yesterday.

“(But) the biggest issue for clubs is we are really struggling to keep pace with the salary cap increases and the general costs of running our business. We need the plans and some further evidence from the research they’ve been doing as well as the dollar value and then we can discuss it.

“I’m viewing it favourably, but with caution.’’

NRL head of football Todd Greenberg has already declared the bunker a game-changer and said it could impact on other areas of the game, including a better broadcast deal with a potential to sell any additional time saved in a game as advertising slots.

“If it’s going to raise more revenue for the game ... and that funding does come back to the clubs by way of a larger grant, then I’d be for it,’’ Canberra chief executive Don Furner said. “Obviously, if it works well and leads to better and quicker decision-making, and less stoppages, that’s also a good thing.’’

Other advantages of a bunker could include the introduction of a captain’s challenge, a capacity to review incidents of foul play and issue charges at the end of a game, and an impact on the speed of the game with fewer minutes being lost to video decisions.

“(The present system) doesn’t seem like too long on the field — it might to the fans — but it’s just part of the game,’’ Souths five-eighth Luke Keary said. “(The new system) could extend the time the ball’s in play for a game, so that might be a bit tougher for the bigger boys, but better for me.’’
 

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