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The Bunker

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What happens when the Bunker gets decisions wrong? do we have a bunker for the bunker? worst idea ever.

What he say ?

something along the lines of. "Whoever thought up this idea should not have any imput into the way our game is run. Anyone who reports this should not report on our game, and we should not even be talking about this idea because it is the stupidest idea I have ever heard"

Whenever Vossy asked him anything about it he just refused to answer and shot down the idea.

MG also had a good response, saying he'd bomb the bunker.
 

ozjet1

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so instead of 1 or 2 people watching the replays, they'll have 5 or 6.

yet, the process remains the same.....i.e, only the tackle/play that results in a try will be reviewed.

f**king merkins.

if there is going to be a use of the video review beyond this year, it should only be for grounding the ball. otherwise, they're going to kill it even more.
 

This Year?

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What will happen then if the bunker refs make a mistake (it's bound to happen with the quality of officiating)? I find it laughable that a video ref with the benefit of countless angles and replays can still stuff up a decision, but the NRL thinks it's in the best interest of the game to appoint a panel to ref the ref. Why wouldn't they just have the panel as the video ref?
 

El Diablo

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same thing again 4 years later http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/nr...w-system-in-2014/story-fn7shzfu-1226756509706

NRL could adopt National Hockey League video review system in 2014

David Riccio
The Daily Telegraph
November 09, 2013 9:00PM

THE NRL plan to meet with brodcasters Nine and Fox Sports to discuss setting up a 'war room' for video refereeing decisions, depending on the success of an eight day study-tour of the US this week.

NRL football operations manager Nathan McGuirk and acting referees boss Tony Archer flew to the States yesterday to investigate implementing a video review centre which would be set-up at a central location.

Both McGuirk and Archer plan to spend eight days analysing how the system has worked successfully for over a decade in the National Hockey League (NHL).

Under the NHL model, officials review every goal live and any other controversial decisions made by officials in a 'war room' that includes 30 plasma TV screens in Toronto, Canada.

Often, they are reviewing more than one game at the same time.

The NRL want to know if the system would be more beneficial than the current video referee system.

McGurik and Archer will return to Sydney next week where they will file a report to NRL head of football Todd Greenberg on how the system could work in the NRL and the likely feasibility of implementing the overhaul of the current video referee review system.

NRL head of football Todd Greenberg said the trip was imperative in ensuring rugby league's mission to provide quality and attractive entertainment for fans continued.

"For us it's about continuing to learn and continuing to innovate and find ways to improve and to do that we need to continue to look at other sports, both here and abroad,'' Greenberg said.

"The guys (McGuirk and Archer) are looking at the National Hockey League and how they effectively review their match officials decision-making process.

"They're going to see that in real time, which is a fantastic opportunity for them to be exposed to some other systems. We have to make sure we don't make decisions just living inside the rugby league bubble. We've got to open ourselves up to other sports across the world.''

"It's got a significant amount of investment from the governing body and a deal with the broadcaster where they can see the vision in a secure environment.

"The whole concept is to make good decisions and make them in good time as well. ''

Greenberg said that if the system was given the green light in the NRL it would be implemented for the 2015 season.

"As we progress into the digital age, this is the stuff we've got to do. We've got to continue to innovate and take rugby league to the next level,'' Greenberg said.

"It wont happen for 14 but has the potential for 15 based us costing it and getting all the information. We'd obviouskly talk to both broadcasters at NIne and Fox Sports, to see what opportunties there are to do something like this.''
 

El Diablo

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also mentioned earlier this year in the SMH http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...n-for-all-video-decisions-20130401-2h359.html

'War room' plan for all video decisions

Date
April 2, 2013

Brad Walter
Chief Rugby League Writer

All video refereeing decisions may be made from a bunker in Sydney under a proposal for the NRL to adopt American ice hockey's ''War Room'' to review tries and on-field incidents.

NRL football operations manager Nathan McGuirk and referees boss Daniel Anderson plan to visit North America at the end of the season to investigate the feasibility of setting up a video review centre away from stadiums.

''We presented it to the CEO and the management of the NRL in February and it is a possibility,'' Anderson said.

''The aim at the end of the year is that Nathan and myself go over there and have a look at how the NFL's officials operate and also the 'War Room' to see if it is plausible in the NRL and what the cost is.

''Obviously if we are in a room in Sydney and there is a game in Townsville, we would need to be able to talk to the referees and the television director.''

Under the NHL model, officials review every goal scored in the competition live on high-definition television monitors in a 12-metre by six-metre room in Toronto, Canada. Often, they are reviewing more than one game at the same time.

''It is complicated and a little bit exciting but we have to look at what is best for the game,'' Anderson said. ''It could be a benefit for the game if takes away the emotion of the video referee at the ground.''

The concept would allow the NRL to use a handful of match officials to adjudicate on all games and Anderson has been working to get more former players involved in decision-making roles.

''If I only have select people as video referees over the whole weekend then I am going to get a consistency in the decisions,'' he said.

Former players Luke Patten, Justin Morgan and Matthew Rodwell last weekend completed refereeing courses that will enable them to be video referees.

Anderson also has former players Paul Mellor, Henry Perenara, Luke Phillips and Reece Williams at his disposal.

Mellor has been a video referee on 30 occasions so far, while Perenara has been in charge for two matches and Phillips made his debut in last Saturday night's clash between St George Illawarra and Cronulla.

''We have allowed very little discretion in the video referees' box so far because of the number of people making decisions,'' Anderson said. ''But if we can fast-track those blokes it may help our decision-making process, especially on the football component.''
 

El Diablo

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http://www.news.com.au/national/nrl...leagues-war-room/story-e6frfkp9-1226762106988

NRL officials spend time in National Hockey League's war room

15 hours ago November 18, 2013 12:00AM

THE NRL has moved a step closer to establishing a "war room" for video refereeing decisions but is yet to find a replacement for referees boss Daniel Anderson.

NRL football operations manager Nathan McGuirk and acting referees boss Tony Archer are expected to arrive home today after spending a week in the US and Canada to gather information on the way video technology is used in other sports.

The officials spent time in the National Hockey League's Situation Room (or war room as it is also known) at its head office in Toronto, Canada, which uses 30 plasma television screens to review goals from multiple games.

Unlike the video referees box in the NRL, the war room is set up away from all games and helps to remove all of the atmosphere and emotion surrounding decisions.

McGuirk and Archer also visited the video reviewer's box at the New York Giants' home ground.

NRL Head of Football Todd Greenberg said yesterday he was expecting a report from McGuirk and Archer before any decision was made. A similar set-up would be a big investment and the earliest it could be introduced is 2015.

"I think there's no doubt it will work but what we've got to do is figure out how it will work and all the deliverables and then see if it's worth the game's investment," Greenberg said.

"The vision they were looking at was on a significant better infrastructure and technology than we currently look at inside a normal video refs box on a 32-inch LCD screen.

"So technology is a bonus, the secure environment without external pressures is a bonus and the opportunity to have less people making decisions will give us greater clarity and consistency rather than having different people at every game. We have to look at these things.

"We have to start exploring new opportunities and other ways to do things. It's not going to happen next season but that's what we've got our mind on: trying to find some innovative ways to improve the game."

Greenberg will be at Sydney Olympic Park today for the first day of training for the 2014 NRL and under-20s referees squads.

Archer will continue his role training the senior squad until a replacement can be found for Anderson, who left after only one year to take on a football operations role at Parramatta. Former referee and match review committee chairman Greg McCallum has been linked to the job.

"What we'll probably do is put someone in to look after the NRL elite squad and then we're looking at a broader position which is match officials across the whole game - integrating states, development of referees and all those sorts of things," Greenberg said.
 

Misanthrope

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Interesting post from SMH.com

NRL officials have been given a look at what could be the future of the rugby league officiating – and they like what they saw.
Having returned from a nine-day fact-finding tour that took in the command centres of the NFL and the NHL in North America, NRL general manager of football operations Nathan McGuirk and interim referees boss Tony Archer will put together a report for the commission on the potential for significant changes to the video review systems. After viewing it up close, one of those changes could be the implementation of a centralised command centre, similar to the NHL's "war room" in Toronto.
"We see clear benefits of what a centralised replay system provides," McGuirk said following his return this week. "Our fans, clubs and members are all crying out for consistency, and anything we can do to improve our system, we will look at."
Under the NHL model, officials review every goal scored in the competition live on high-definition television monitors in a 12 by six metre room in Toronto. Often, they review more than one game simultaneously. The concept would allow the NRL to use a handful of match officials to adjudicate on all games.
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"They're in direct contact with both the on-ice officials and also a replay official at the ground," McGuirk said. "They have unbelievable replay technology in that they can clear a goal within a 10 second period generally.
"They've had a lot of years in developing their technology and also investing huge amounts of money into it.
"To us, looking at a similar model to that would be a direction which I believe would be a huge step forward for the game."
While the costs involved would be significant to ensure the central command centre has a live feed, the clean environment and the consistency were clear advantages. "The aspect I got out of it was the calm, controlled nature of the process which they undertake in a very sterile environment," McGuirk said. "It takes a lot of the emotion out of what occurs on game days, and what are very high-pressure situations. And they have a consistent group of people that do games day-in, day-out.
"When we were there, they had three games playing across North America, and they had the same people in the decision-making on all games. That occurs even if they have up to 11 games.
"It brings a level of consistency to decision-making which is very appealing.
"When you look at our current model, we've got around 16 to 18 video referees that we utilise across a weekend. No matter how much we try to educate them and train them on what our policies and procedures are, there is always going to be a level of difference of opinions with discretionary decisions across that core group of people.
"If you can narrow that down to a very select group of people that can do games all across the weekend, there is no doubt it would bring a greater level of consistency across our decision-making."
McGuirk and Archer also visited the command centre of the NFL headquarters in New York, while viewing the facilities at MetLife Stadium, for the New York Giants' match against Oakland Raiders, spending time with game officials as well as NFL vice-president of officiating Dean Blandino. They discussed the NFL's officiating "crews" – the same group of officials operating regularly.
The NFL's Park Avenue headquarters features a command centre overseeing all aspects of officiating and operational areas – officiating reviews, performance reviews, match review and injury tracking – in one room.

I'd be on board with it. I'd also love to hear the live video ref comments we're hearing out of World Cup games.
 

Armageddon.

Juniors
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Ffs why is it being made so complicated.
It isn't that hard to just watch a video and use your own common sense to see if it's a try or not.
 

Lockyer4President!

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The consensus in the other threads about this have all been positive iirc. Consistency is what everyone wants, having a 'war room' and the same people working together regularly can only help.
 

Ph1l

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If it improves the officiating, and doesn't intrude too much on the flow of the game, it can't be a bad thing.
 

Misanthrope

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Ffs why is it being made so complicated.
It isn't that hard to just watch a video and use your own common sense to see if it's a try or not.

It apparently is.

Two tough decisions simultaneously could create quite a logjam

I'd imagine you'd have more than a single official in there.

Although, if not, advertisers would love the extra time it allows.
 

maple_69

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One of the thoughts I had from one of the comments they made in the article. Taking the video ref away from the pressure of the stadium. I think if we remove them from the context of the actual MATCH as well we'll get a couple guys who are the best of the best, making all the decisions without any bias on the circumstances of the game.
Having watched NHL since the end of the NRL season we could learn a hell of a lot from that sport. Absolutely seamless officiation and gameflow.
 

Charlie124

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Ffs why is it being made so complicated.
It isn't that hard to just watch a video and use your own common sense to see if it's a try or not.

Because your common sense might be different to what the next guy thinks is common sense. As the article states, the NRL uses up to 18 different blokes over the course of a weekend in the video refs box. Streamlining that down to a few guys in a central room might finally bring some consistency to the decision making.
 
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