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RufusRex

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To be onside BOTH FEET of the runner need to be fully BEHIND the kicker - its not torso or head or what feels right. It is BOTH FEET. The extended front foot of Takairangi was not conclusively behind Norman therefore the original decision stands and the bunker did its job correctly.

Commentators are dolts and think that because the back foot of the chaser is somewhere in line with the kicker then its onside. NO. BOTH FEET. that means that the head/torso of the chaser potentially needs to be a metre behind the head/torso of the kicker when you take into account the front foot of the chaser and the back foot of the kicker.
 
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Mogsheen Jadwat

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The bunker is shit, they reasoned it would help with the speed of onfield decisions, instead it takes just as long with 50 cameras.

Also the way they talk shits me off, far too robotic. They dont have to be yokals but they dont need to sound like they're reading from cuecards. I think any level headed fan could do a better job.
 
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ek999

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Last night there was a touchie who was adamant that Taka was offside on the kick. So the ref sent it up upstairs as a no try to double check. Now after seeing a camera angle behind (which is all 9 wanted to show) people are blowing up over it not being overturned.

I thought the bunker was good last night. The Norman (?) no try was correct. He was running as a support player which was fine but then Semi stopped and used him to obstruct a defender. The Jennings no try was correct call, couldn't overturn the offside call and couldn't overturn if Taka touched the ball off the kick
 
ouwet

ouwet

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El Diablo said:
yes



he didn't impede anyone

Brett Stewart did it when they reviewed the Lusick no try and the bunker gave no penalty
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:lol:

You sound like Phillip Gould! A bitter old man!

Channel 9 angels were F'''ing ridiculous, you couldn't see all three incidents on TV that bunker saw, channel 9 are pathetic and so are the commentators (Ray Warren retire already)!!
It was clearly a Shepard, you cannot behind your player full stop, the Manly player should've have to be blind sided for a millimetre of a second...

The bunker was great last night... Channel 9 and it's bunch of sheep followers on the other hand #-o
 
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Ring Gids

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ek999 said:
Last night there was a touchie who was adamant that Taka was offside on the kick. So the ref sent it up upstairs as a no try to double check. Now after seeing a camera angle behind (which is all 9 wanted to show) people are blowing up over it not being overturned.

I thought the bunker was good last night. The Norman (?) no try was correct. He was running as a support player which was fine but then Semi stopped and used him to obstruct a defender. The Jennings no try was correct call, couldn't overturn the offside call and couldn't overturn if Taka touched the ball off the kick
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The no try for the obstruction for some reason reminds me of the infamous Jamie Soward "milkman" effort from 09 or 10 against the Bulldogs. No one was obstructed from the play. The defender in this case simply overran his man.
 
Captain Apollo

Captain Apollo

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ouwet said:
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Channel 9 angels were F'''ing ridiculous, you couldn't see all three incidents on TV that bunker saw, channel 9 are pathetic and so are the commentators (Ray Warren retire already)!!
It was clearly a Shepard, you cannot behind your player full stop, the Manly player should've have to be blind sided for a millimetre of a second...
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The Channel 9 commentary team have no f'ing idea of the rules. Ray Warren has some idea but the rest of them, including Peter Sterling, are clueless when it comes to what is actually in the rule book.
 
adamkungl

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Danish said:
Someone might be a be able to confirm, but I thought one of the primary function of the bunker was supposed to be the same people making decisions each game leading to consistency.

That being the case, why do we still just have a different video ref assigned to every game?

Most of the problem with the bunker are caused by the underlying way in which referees are coached to make decisions, so they are actually doing s perfect job based on the rules they are given to make decisions, but those rules are just plain wrong. Until the base rules a guidelines for refs are overhauled there will be no change.
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ding ding, winner.

The bunker was a multi million dollar turd polishing exercise.

Does it do its assigned job? Mostly, yes. It has sped up decision making a tad, sometimes a lot.

The problem is its assigned job is maybe 10% of the problem with the way we make decisions.
 
carcharias

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has this been posted yet?

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Diesel

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What's with the bunker tonight? Looks like the interview room at the police... So I've been told
 
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Trent91

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Hello said:
I agree with Johns, i think the ref should just curl up in a ball and scream "i dont know what to doooooooooooooooooo"
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Johns makes a fair point, if they genuinely have no idea why should they have to make a call? And on the other hand Gould raises a good point, if they're confident enough to make a ruling to send to the bunker, why didn't they just make the call in the first place?
 
Jason Maher

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RufusRex said:
To be onside BOTH FEET of the runner need to be fully BEHIND the kicker - its not torso or head or what feels right. It is BOTH FEET. The extended front foot of Takairangi was not conclusively behind Norman therefore the original decision stands and the bunker did its job correctly.

Commentators are dolts and think that because the back foot of the chaser is somewhere in line with the kicker then its onside. NO. BOTH FEET. that means that the head/torso of the chaser potentially needs to be a metre behind the head/torso of the kicker when you take into account the front foot of the chaser and the back foot of the kicker.
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They changed that rule several years ago.
 
Chook Norris

Chook Norris

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Trent91 said:
Johns makes a fair point, if they genuinely have no idea why should they have to make a call? And on the other hand Gould raises a good point, if they're confident enough to make a ruling to send to the bunker, why didn't they just make the call in the first place?
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Agree with Johns's point. There should be a 3rd option for the on field ref in that they should be able to say they have no idea - as to not influence the bunker.
Disagree with Gould. The other night the ref thought there may have been an obstruction. He wanted to confirm that with the bunker and I thought that was fine. The alternative is to call the obstruction immediately even if it was unclear to the on field ref. If he got the call wrong and screwed up a try scoring opportunity everyone would be up in arms. I see it as safe continuing with the play and letting the bunker adjudicate.
 
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Trent91

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Chook Norris said:
Agree with Johns's point. There should be a 3rd option for the on field ref in that they should be able to say they have no idea - as to not influence the bunker.
Disagree with Gould. The other night the ref thought there may have been an obstruction. He wanted to confirm that with the bunker and I thought that was fine. The alternative is to call the obstruction immediately even if it was unclear to the on field ref. If he got the call wrong and screwed up a try scoring opportunity everyone would be up in arms. I see it as safe continuing with the play and letting the bunker adjudicate.
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More so in reference to the blatantly obvious ones. Some of them that they do send up are absolutely embarrassing.

And of course things like that obstruction the other night only get called because a try is scored. If Semi gets tackled and they score next play it's all gravy.
 
Rosetta

Rosetta

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$20k fines for any coach that hurts the feelings of The Bunker™ now in effect.

Poor diddums.
 
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