The Case for Adelaide.....

[Perth Red]

Theres no discarding their success, they've done amazingly well, especially in AFL centric territory, he is saying the differences between rams, reds and storm. Storm had help, the former had to survive on their own, not the whole reason they failed but you cannot discount that they were give a massive leg up in their infancy, along with St.Merge Dragons, basically no salary cap

they also didn’t have to contend with the SL war. But in essence he is right, if you want your expansion to be successful you need to fund it properly and give them a leg up with talent acquisition. RL is far too socialist to ever understand that.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

they also didn’t have to contend with the SL war. But in essence he is right, if you want your expansion to be successful you need to fund it properly and give them a leg up with talent acquisition. RL is far too socialist to ever understand that.

Every true RL fan wanted the Western Reds to succeed. If you gave me the choice of the Reds or the Storm being given the support and luck that have made Melbourne successful, I'd choose Perth every day because the infrastructure at the grassroots is there and has the potential to become a valuable asset to our game. The Reds had an Australian brand that was likeable. 'Storm' sounds like something from the WWF.

 

[The Great Dane]

not necessarily, at this point in smells very much of 2012 when you had 4 or 5 bids laying claim for their inclusion despite the fact the nrl hasn’t called for bids. We all know how that tuned out with nrl doing nothing for the next 8 years. IF they are serious about a new Brisbane club by whenever then they may, and should, officially put it out there and invite an open tender process for the Brisbane2 license. Who knows what may come from that. At moment dolphins very much remind me of the CC Bears bid, all bluster with memberships, assets, merch etc. didn’t work out so well for the Bears did it? I’d hope they would do the same if they ever got of their backsides and decided on a perth or Adelaide club for genuine expansion.

The fact that the Dolphins (and Bears back in the day) are seriously being considered contenders at all shows you that "the best option" isn't being determined by any objective standard, but rather by people's emotional response to the bids.

That means that if a licence was put out to tender tomorrow, and a perfect Brisbane bid popped up out of nowhere (which is a distinct possibility BTW), that there's a good chance that the emotional favourite could still take the license simply because it "feels" right. I mean can you can you honestly say that you are certain that if the NRL expanded in 2012 that the Bears wouldn't have taken a license, because I sure can't.

The only way to avoid that is to build a strict set of criteria and the bid/s that best meet that criteria win the license/s, i.e. totally take emotion out of the decision by building an objective standard.
The only way you can do that is by considering each bid on it's merit, and that means that if Christchurch and Timbuktu have the best bids then Christchurch and Timbuktu have the best bids.

 

[mongoose]

There needs to be some criteria based on location though. e.g - bids in large population centres without any existing club is a plus, bids in population centres with existing clubs already servicing nearby regions is a minus.

 

[flippikat]

they also didn’t have to contend with the SL war. But in essence he is right, if you want your expansion to be successful you need to fund it properly and give them a leg up with talent acquisition. RL is far too socialist to ever understand that.

That's where other sports that have a draft can be very accommodating towards expansion teams - basically by giving them a good batch of draft spots.

Since the NRL doesn't have a draft, it's a little bit tougher to engineer expansion teams to be competitive.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

With no bid from Adelaide, I can only see it getting a relocated Sydney team that was bankrupt and bailed out by HQ, on the condition they make the move permanent.

 

[Perth Red]

That's where other sports that have a draft can be very accommodating towards expansion teams - basically by giving them a good batch of draft spots.

Since the NRL doesn't have a draft, it's a little bit tougher to engineer expansion teams to be competitive.

Id like to see serious salary cap dispensation for new clubs for signing players not currently in nrl first grade. That way any new club can build a decent squad without cannibalising current clubs. They can take risks on union converts, SL players and fringe players without putting themselves in a position of not being competitive.

 

[Perth Red]

No club is going bankrupt with a $13mill grant and a $10mill cap.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Id like to see serious salary cap dispensation for new clubs for signing players not currently in nrl first grade. That way any new club can build a decent squad without cannibalising current clubs. They can take risks on union converts, SL players and fringe players without putting themselves in a position of not being competitive.

Crushers signed Garrick Morgan and almost lured Jason Little over from RU. Morgan turned out to be a dud.

Most of their squad was made up of players past their prime and lower graders. Finished last twice in their three seasons.

 

[Bring back John Fifita]

Time for another dose of Rams Magic

1997 at the Adelaide Oval vs Salford.

Either put the kettle on and view the entire match in all it's glory (be mindful you might get seasick early on from the camera work)... or...

Fast forward to one of the highlights in the history of the Adelaide Rams - 1hr 19mins in... you'll see..

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I would love to see the Rams in the Queensland Cup. I would follow them around Brisbane to see them play the local teams from southeast Queensland. Put the Western Reds in as well and the Queensland Cup will be more national and less centralised than the NRL.



If they were to take the GF to Adelaide or Perth every second or third year then I would fly over to watch it.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

No club is going bankrupt with a $13mill grant and a $10mill cap.

I'd like to see a millionaire from Adelaide or Perth, in conjunction with the SA/WA Gov, negotiate with one of the smaller Sydney teams about relocating. A strong business case and a good stadium deal could be enough to convince one that'll never be a powerhouse in Sydney to make the move.

 

[The Great Dane]

Good luck convincing somebody to fund a NSW or QLD cup team from WA or SA without a concrete timeframe on getting an NRL license.
Unless there's enormous reform to how the lower tiers are run they'd just be pissing millions of dollars down the drain on an expensive club with no way to monetise it.

Even more luck to the millionaire who thinks they'll be able to convince one of the clubs to relocate so long as they are effectively being bankrolled by the NRL. Outside of extremely unusual circumstances, there's no way that a relocation happens so long as the salary cap is $10mil and the grant is $13mil.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

If NSW Gov ban pokies then you'll see a club or two from Sydney relocate.

 

[Perth Red]

Nsw govt isn’t going to ban pokies, ever lol

much cheaper for a wa team to play in nsw cup. Travel is less, cheaper and most clubs in easy travel of Sydney airport, unlike Qlnd cup where clubs are spread around more.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Nsw govt isn’t going to ban pokies, ever lol

much cheaper for a wa team to play in nsw cup. Travel is less, cheaper and most clubs in easy travel of Sydney airport, unlike Qlnd cup where clubs are spread around more.

Any chance of WA Gov legalising pokies?

Surely the Pirates would be able to compete with the big boys if they had that revenue stream.

 

[Perth Red]

No, thankfully. Id rather have sport paying its own way with less money than relying on the social misery pokies cause.

There's plenty of NRL clubs with LC's that hardly put anything in. There's a growing number of NRL clubs who are no longer reliant on any pokie funding. Its only your dinosaurs who are bad at their business who are still leaning heavily on pokies for their viability (Looking at you Eels, Bulldogs and Panthers).

 

[The Great Dane]

No, thankfully. Id rather have sport paying its own way with less money than relying on the social misery pokies cause.

There's plenty of NRL clubs with LC's that hardly put anything in. There's a growing number of NRL clubs who are no longer reliant on any pokie funding. Its only your dinosaurs who are bad at their business who are still leaning heavily on pokies for their viability (Looking at you Eels, Bulldogs and Panthers).

Pokies don't cause social misery, people making bad choices cause social misery.

Blaming the pokies is like blaming the knife for the murder, the people wielding them are the problem not the mere reality of there existence.

 

[Perth Red]

Pokies don't cause social misery, people making bad choices cause social misery.

Blaming the pokies is like blaming the knife for the murder, the people wielding them are the problem not the mere reality of there existence.

Its been proven beyond any reasonable doubt that easy access, social acceptability and convenience are major factors to people making bad choices more often. Put pokies in every pub and sports club and you get a shed load more problem gamblers. Check the stats between WA and NSW if you dont believe me. Your argument is like suggesting that banning smoking indoors or gun control has no impact on incidence.
I had a walk through the casino last week as we had a coupe of nights at the Towers hotel. It was incredibly sad to see these poor saps looking totally miserable feeding money into these machines, most of them looked like they had grown roots they had been there so long. The less opportunity we give people to pss away their money and lives the better imo.
When you look at how much of the pokie revenue in LC's is actually going back to support local grassroots sport its an absolute pittance.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Lack of pokies in QLD killed the BRL. NSW clubs had them from the 1950s and used them to buy the best players from Queensland.