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The Case for Adelaide.....

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Does West Tigers count as 2 clubs?

Or St George Illawarra?

(There's no restrictions on house parties here at the moment...)

Paul Kent made a good point when he said you wouldn't have the Dragons and Sharks where they are if you were putting the league together today.

I genuinely fear for the future of the Dragons and Sharks because they're fighting over such a small catchment. If a club was to fall on hard times and find life easier in Adelaide, surely it has to be one of these clubs.
 
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Paul Kent made a good point when he said you wouldn't have the Dragons and Sharks where they are if you were putting the league together today.

I genuinely fear for the future of the Dragons and Sharks because they're fighting over such a small catchment. If a club was to fall on hard times and find life easier in Adelaide, surely it has to be one of these clubs.

Indeed, nor would you have a pocket of the eastern suburbs for the Roosters wedged in above the remainder claimed by souths.

Nor have Leichhardt n Rozelle combined with Campbelltown.

But that’s how it’s evolved!
 

Perth Red

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Paul Kent made a good point when he said you wouldn't have the Dragons and Sharks where they are if you were putting the league together today.

I genuinely fear for the future of the Dragons and Sharks because they're fighting over such a small catchment. If a club was to fall on hard times and find life easier in Adelaide, surely it has to be one of these clubs.
made sense when it was a suburban one city comp. Makes no sense as a would be national comp. But no one has the balls or vision to do anything about it so we will be stuck with what we've got for a very long time. Short of LC's going out of fashion there wont be any financial imperative for anyone to be dropped or relocated.
 

cumbrian Mackem

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Paul Kent made a good point when he said you wouldn't have the Dragons and Sharks where they are if you were putting the league together today.

I genuinely fear for the future of the Dragons and Sharks because they're fighting over such a small catchment. If a club was to fall on hard times and find life easier in Adelaide, surely it has to be one of these clubs.
Just spitballing and mostly messing around here but what about a 3 team merger between the dragons, sharks and steelers?

The St George Illawarra sharks permanently based in Wollongong?
 

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Just spitballing and mostly messing around here but what about a 3 team merger between the dragons, sharks and steelers?

The St George Illawarra sharks permanently based in Wollongong?
If you could wave a magic wand you'd have a Southern Sharks playing out of a new stadium somewhere accessible to the St George/Cronulla regions with maybe 3 games in Wollongong. But will never happen. If sharks hadn't had land to flog off good chance they'd be bust by now and Dragons could have taken over their junior catchment. But again wont happen now so we are stuck with what we have, arguably to the detriment to the long term future of the game.
 

cumbrian Mackem

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If you could wave a magic wand you'd have a Southern Sharks playing out of a new stadium somewhere accessible to the St George/Cronulla regions with maybe 3 games in Wollongong. But will never happen. If sharks hadn't had land to flog off good chance they'd be bust by now and Dragons could have taken over their junior catchment. But again wont happen now so we are stuck with what we have, arguably to the detriment to the long term future of the game.
Why not base the southern sharks/st George illawarra sharks out of Wollongong permanently?

Maybe a couple of Sydney based teams would play their “home“ fixture against the Illawarra based team at kogarah oval?
 

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Is the consensus regarding Illawarra on here that the Wollongong/illawarra region is too small to permanently base an NRL franchise?
Good question - and I wonder if the Steelers actually *had* to merge with St George. Being a regional club, I assume they wouldn't have been subject to the dreaded criteria that Sydney clubs faced.

It strikes me as a similar scenario, similar conundrum to having a stand-alone Central Coast team.

Can the NRL afford more mid-size regional stand-alone teams while big fish like Perth, Adelaide & Brisbane 2 haven't been added?
 

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Good question - and I wonder if the Steelers actually *had* to merge with St George. Being a regional club, I assume they wouldn't have been subject to the dreaded criteria that Sydney clubs faced.

It strikes me as a similar scenario, similar conundrum to having a stand-alone Central Coast team.

Can the NRL afford more mid-size regional stand-alone teams while big fish like Perth, Adelaide & Brisbane 2 haven't been added?
Had the rationalization of Sydney clubs been better handled then there’s absolutely no reason and no justification for not having NRL clubs in both illawarra and the central coast.
 
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Good question - and I wonder if the Steelers actually *had* to merge with St George. Being a regional club, I assume they wouldn't have been subject to the dreaded criteria that Sydney clubs faced.

It strikes me as a similar scenario, similar conundrum to having a stand-alone Central Coast team.

Can the NRL afford more mid-size regional stand-alone teams while big fish like Perth, Adelaide & Brisbane 2 haven't been added?

Steelers had the big juniors base (that the Dragons didn’t) but they didn’t have the money.

The Steelers and Dragons teams were very strong on the park through the 90’s, but off the park they were both in trouble..

You could write a story as long as Homers Illyad about the Dragons management saga but the Steelers was simply a club that was draining money…
 
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Indeed, nor would you have a pocket of the eastern suburbs for the Roosters wedged in above the remainder claimed by souths.

Nor have Leichhardt n Rozelle combined with Campbelltown.

But that’s how it’s evolved!
I think the ARLC has to address the viability of the game as it currently stands, as all signs point to it being unsustainable. The player base is getting thinner and it's going to get worse. Globalisation has made American and European sporting competitions from soccer, basketball and gridiron a competitor. We might only have enough talent and supporters to sustain a 12 team competition by 2050. I hope it doesn't go down that path, but we have to accept it's possible if current trends continue and aren't addressed.
 
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made sense when it was a suburban one city comp. Makes no sense as a would be national comp. But no one has the balls or vision to do anything about it so we will be stuck with what we've got for a very long time. Short of LC's going out of fashion there wont be any financial imperative for anyone to be dropped or relocated.
I am of the belief that leaving Sydney oversaturated while Bris/NZ are under-represented and Adelaide and Perth unrepresented is causing more damage than can occur by rationalising Sydney.

Am I the only one to believe this?

Sydneysiders are guilty of overestimating the value of their nine clubs in a 16 team national competition and it's holding the game back. It's obvious that the competition cannot reach its potential while one city has nine clubs that don't rate all that well outside of their market. If they were pulling strong numbers in Queensland and the AwFuL states then their existence would be justified, but the numbers show they don't have the drawing power in these areas and, their support in Sydney isn't strong enough to keep them around while other areas are left open to other sports.
 
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Good question - and I wonder if the Steelers actually *had* to merge with St George. Being a regional club, I assume they wouldn't have been subject to the dreaded criteria that Sydney clubs faced.

It strikes me as a similar scenario, similar conundrum to having a stand-alone Central Coast team.

Can the NRL afford more mid-size regional stand-alone teams while big fish like Perth, Adelaide & Brisbane 2 haven't been added?

I cannot help but wonder if having six Sydney sides, plus one on the Central Coast and another in Wollongong, from 1998 onwards, would have prevented fumbleball from making so many inroads in regional NSW?

Central Coast Bears and Illawarra Dragons?

Roosters might be a lot stronger today if the decision to cut South Sydney wasn't overturned. It would have allowed Sharks to rebrand as South Sydney Sharks. No more congestion. Short term pain for long term gain.

Keeping the Reds and Rams with 6 teams in Sydney and one each in Illawarra and Central Coast would have put the game in a better position to compete with fumbleball.
 
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Parra Panthers! Would it have worked? Potentially bigger than the Broncos, imagine a club with the backing of two massive LC's, a Jnr catchment across penrith and parra areas and two fan bases attending the new Bankwest stadium. Would have been interesting to see if they could make it a success, if they could the Parra Panthers would arguably be the biggest RL club in the world by now.

 

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