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The Comic Book Film Thread *** SPOILERS ***

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Suicide squad review embargo has been lifted. Is it the movie to save the DCEU? So far the reviewers say no. Currently at 33% on RT

Which is honestly a shame because after the mess that was BvS, this looked genuinely good/interesting. Maybe we were all lulled into a false sense of security by the shortness of Margot Robbie's shorts
 

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Suicide Squad slammed by critics: 'Not fun bad... just bad'

Ugly. Boring. Toxic. Predictable. Unexciting. Overstaffed. Overstuffed. In the history of cinema criticism those words, and others, have been levelled at the worst movies to darken the silver screen. But rarely have all - and more - been thrown at the one film.

With just days before the Warner Bros superhero film Suicide Squad begins to launch globally, the studio-imposed embargo on reviews has been lifted and the first of those have begun to surface. The verdict? To quote Vanity Fair's Richard Lawson, whose reviewseemed to sum up both the film and the prevailing reaction to it: "Bad. Not fun bad. Not redeemable bad. Just bad.

The Hollywood Reporter, which is one of LA's two influential trade newspapers, said the film recalled too many "dour" films in the science fiction and fantasy genres.

"Suicide Squad may not quite commit harakiri, but it certainly feels like it's taken far too many sleeping pills," veteran film critic Todd McCarthy wrote.

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Margot Robbie as Harley Quinn in Suicide Squad.
The other, Variety, laid the blame at an earlier Warner Bros superhero stumble, Zack Snyder's Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice.

Variety's Peter DeBruge said Suicide Squad's director David Ayer was "beholden to the corporate vision of other recent DC adaptations, most notably Zack Snyder's sleek-surfaced and oppressively self-serious riffs on the Superman legend." That film was widely criticised by fans and also slammed by film critics. Though it went on to gross more than three quarters of a billion dollars at the box office, the damaging word of mouth kept it below the one-billion-dollar watermark.

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Jared Leto as the Joker in Suicide Squad. Photo: Clay Enos
Off a US$250 million budget and a marketing budget of almost equal that, expectations sat very high with Snyder's reboot of the DC universe, which Warner Bros is depending onto challenge rival Marvel's dominance at the box office. Its failure to crack the one-billion-dollar watermark was particularly bruising.

Suicide Squad is one of a number of film projects that share a DC Comics universe, including the upcoming Justice League and Wonder Woman films. DeBruge noted that Ayer was essentially required to "conform" to the style which Snyder has established for the linked DC Comics films.

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Robbie with Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje, Karen f**kuhara, Joel Kinnaman, Will Smith and Jai Courtney.
Other reviews were equally scathing.

The Chicago Tribune's Michael Phillips described the film as a "garish, overstaffed, overstuffed, blithely sadistic corporate directive disguised as a PG-13 summer movie for all ages."

Phillips took aim at its "lousy script" and lack of "satisfying storytelling".

"The flashbacks roll in and out, explaining either too much or too little, and the action may be violent but it's not interesting," he wrote.

The influential pop culture website io9 described it as a "B-movie".

But by far the most damaging review came from Vanity Fair's Richard Lawson.

"Suicide Squad is bad," Lawson declared. "Not fun bad. Not redeemable bad. Not the kind of bad that is the unfortunate result of artists honourably striving for something ambitious and falling short. Suicide Squad is just bad."

Lawson described film as ugly, boring and toxic.

It is, Lawson said, "simply a dull chore steeped in flaccid machismo, a shapeless, poorly edited trudge that adds some mildly appalling sexism and even a soupçon of racism to its abundant, hideously timed gun worship."

Worst of all, he added, it is too "shoddy and forgettable to even register as revolting. At least revolting would have been something."

Film writer David Ehrlich, in a review published by Indiewire, says the film actually makes good on the promise made in the marketing: "Worst. Heroes. Ever."

That line refers to the fact that Suicide Squadis, unusually, a film where the superheroes are drawn from the DC Comics canon of "bad guys", notably The Joker, Harley Quinn, Boomerang and Killer Croc.

Ehrlich called the film "mind-bogglingly stupid".

Not all of the reviews published so far are bad, though it's fair to say that positive commentary about the film is too thin on the ground to reverse the damage caused by the avalanche of bad reviews.

USA Today's Brian Truitt called it an "excellently quirky, proudly raised middle finger to the staid superhero-movie establishment."

And Kristy Puchko, writing for Comic Book Resources, said it was "ferocious fun, boasting a bounty of action, mirthful mayhem, and a cavalcade of curious characters."

Suicide Squad stars Will Smith, Jared Leto, Viola Davis and two Australian actors, Margot Robbie and Jai Courtney.

The reboot of the DC cinema franchises - essentially, the Batman and Superman characters, and now an expanded Justice League series - are central to Warner Bros studio's strategy to unseat its rival Marvel.

Marvel, which is owned by Disney, produces films featuring The Avengers and its members Iron Man, Thor, Hulk and Captain America, and has, for the last decade at least, dominated the superhero box office market.

The DC universe, which is owned by Warner Bros, owns the older movie franchises featuring Superman and Batman, and is now launching a Justice League film series and standalone titles for popular heroes such as Wonder Woman and Aquaman.



http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment...ics-not-fun-bad-just-bad-20160802-gqjmpd.html
 

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Suicide squad review embargo has been lifted. Is it the movie to save the DCEU? So far the reviewers say no. Currently at 33% on RT

Which is honestly a shame because after the mess that was BvS, this looked genuinely good/interesting. Maybe we were all lulled into a false sense of security by the shortness of Margot Robbie's shorts

please don't talk about things you have no idea about
 

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Well well well look who crawled out from under their rock just in time for DCs latest disaster
 

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lol disaster..... if it got a good review you wouldn't have posted anything
Frederick marvel fan boy since the avengers and jumped on the hype train
Incorrect on both counts. I'm actually really disappointed this one is getting savaged because it's one I was probably going to go see at the movies.

And I've been on Marvel hype train since Iron Man. Jumped on at the start, and since it's showing no signs of slowing down I've no reason to jump off
 

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why not make up your mind and see it then? or are you a puppet that goes off rotten tomatoes reviews.

#Wikipedia
 

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Oh I'll still watch it, but I'm not going to waste money on it. I'll wait and download it when it comes online. That way if it really is as rubbish as everyone says it is, I can turn it off after 5 minutes, and I haven't lost any money doing so.
 

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It's not getting smashed at all, its completely middle of the road. Some reviewers are savaging it but have a record of savaging Comic book movies. Others are giving it high 80's.

I expected a 50-60 meta score and that's where it is.
 

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Oh I'll still watch it, but I'm not going to waste money on it. I'll wait and download it when it comes online. That way if it really is as rubbish as everyone says it is, I can turn it off after 5 minutes, and I haven't lost any money doing so.

you said you were going to see it correct?
read reviews.... now change your mind and will download it haha sheep
 

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you said you were going to see it correct?
I said probably. Never said definitely. Comprehension isn't your strong suit, is it?
read reviews.... now change your mind and will download it haha sheep
I may be a sheep, but at least I'll be a sheep who isn't flushing his money down a toilet
 

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Won't know if I've wasted my money until i see it.... won't let some website make a decision for me, like some people
 

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Won't know if I've wasted my money until i see it.... won't let some website make a decision for me, like some people
Hey, whatever works for you. I choose to use the smarter method of waiting to see what the general consensus is, and if the general consensus is that the movie sucks balls, i choose to keep my money, and instead download the movie a few months later free of charge.
 

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RT always levels out because the old saying is "editors love bad news" so they'll be champing at the bit to get their negative reviews out and the mediocre to positive usually come a bit later (like a day or 2).

I always find Metacritic to be a better portrayal of the average review score. currently sitting @ 47.

And i am not really biased either way tbh.
 

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DC Fans Create Petition To Shut Down Rotten Tomatoes


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If you look up the ratings on Rotten Tomatoes for the DCEU, prepare yourself. Really, it’s not all that pretty. All of the films rank well under 60% to clinch a ‘rotten rating’ with Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice sitting at 27%. Even the much-anticipated Suicide Squad has earned at 34% rating, and frankly, fans are fed up with the site’s reporting. In fact, they’re so fed up that they’ve started a petition to make Rotten Tomatoes shut down.

With just 413, the petition has one goal in mind: get rid of Rotten Tomatoes. Hosted by change.org, the petition’s description sums up its mission succinctly: “We need this site to be shut down because It's Critics always give The DC Extended Universe movies unjust Bad Reviews, Like 1- Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice 2016 [,] 2- Suicide Squad 2016 and that Affects people's opinion even if it's a really great movies.”

Should you scroll down to read comments left on the petition, fans have flooded them with their sympathetic views. Many agree the site does offer biased reviews for DC’ films and think it's pathetic that people would try to intentionally make the studio's cinematic universe fail. Other fans reference Marvel Studios and their films’ higher ratings, insisting the difference is due to Hollywood’s double-standards.

However, it looks as if some of these fans aren't quite sure of how Rotten Tomatoes work. As the website only aggregates externally published reviews to create its ratings, Rotten Tomatoes doesn’t actually award frivolous reviews on their own. To put it simply, the just do the math based on other outsourced reviews. But, of course, there are fan who’re accusing the site of selectively collecting certain reviews that further their ‘diabolical’ plot to ruin the DCEU.

Many movie-goers, however, usually just ignore the site’s critical ratings and only care about the film's audience score. As that specific ranking is created by fans’ reviews, the rating is a more approachable number to digest. And, if you look at the DCEU's audience scores, fans can see their films all have ratings at or above 65%. So, hey - that's awesome!

http://comicbook.com/2016/08/02/dc-fans-create-petition-to-shut-down-rotten-tomatoes/

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RT always levels out because the old saying is "editors love bad news" so they'll be champing at the bit to get their negative reviews out and the mediocre to positive usually come a bit later (like a day or 2).

I always find Metacritic to be a better portrayal of the average review score. currently sitting @ 47.

And i am not really biased either way tbh.
It's not getting smashed at all, its completely middle of the road. Some reviewers are savaging it but have a record of savaging Comic book movies. Others are giving it high 80's.

I expected a 50-60 meta score and that's where it is.
Currently sitting at 42 on meta critic, which puts it lower than BvS.

LOWER than BvS.
 

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