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[Everlovin' Antichrist]

I love zombie movies as well... Not even close.

How is offering an opinion saying a tv show is crap, 'whining'?

Maybe you should re-read your own posts?

Why don't you explain why the Walking Dead actors are "wooden" yet the actors in the original Romero movies weren't?

The acting is fine and they do their job.

Walking Dead deals with the human psyche in a zombie holocaust effectively, in fact, it's doing it much better than Romero did for mine and I love Dawn of the Dead. There are varied characters and they haven't allowed it to get wet/soppy at all, as the result of the search for Sophia and the drama over the pregnancy showed. Along with Hershell's misplaced faith.

Your problem seems to be that you have a pre-conceived idea of what should be going on and what the characters should be based on the comic. Luckily for me, I've never read the comic and never will.

The answer; Stop reading comics or don't watch shows you apparently don't like.

 

[Firey_Dragon]

Maybe you should re-read your own posts?

Why? I know exactly what I wrote. I don't see how it is 'whinging'. The only whinging going on is from people who disagree with the post and would rather attack the poster instead of addressing the content of said post.

Why don't you explain why the Walking Dead actors are "wooden" yet the actors in the original Romero movies weren't?

Well firstly, Romero movies had alot more action, with or without wooden actors. B-grade or C-grade acting can make for an enjoyable movie regardless, seeing it every week on a TV show, not so much.

The acting is fine and they do their job.

Walking Dead deals with the human psyche in a zombie holocaust effectively, in fact, it's doing it much better than Romero did for mine and I love Dawn of the Dead. There are varied characters and they haven't allowed it to get wet/soppy at all, as the result of the search for Sophia and the drama over the pregnancy showed. Along with Hershell's misplaced faith.

I know exactly what is going on, it's just boring.

Your problem seems to be that you have a pre-conceived idea of what should be going on and what the characters should be based on the comic. Luckily for me, I've never read the comic and never will.

The answer; Stop reading comics or don't watch shows you apparently don't like.

I don't have any pre-conceived idea of what it should be like, I just know I don't like it. I also gave up on it about half way through the 2nd season, my housemate loves the show, so unless I preferred to lock myself up in my room, not watching it wasn't a possibility. I've since taken the latter option. That however doesn't mean I'm not allowed to express on it's content and have the opinion that it's a poorly fleshed out script with some woefully bad actors. I could say the same thing about shows like Two and a half men and big bang theory, and be met with similar opposition.

I also read the comics after season 1 BTW, not before.

I don't see why praise is ok, but criticism is not.

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

Why? I know exactly what I wrote. I don't see how it is 'whinging'. The only whinging going on is from people who disagree with the post and would rather attack the poster instead of addressing the content of said post.

It's a forum. If you post something negative about almost anything, you'll get attacked.

Forum life 101.

Well firstly, Romero movies had alot more action, with or without wooden actors. B-grade or C-grade acting can make for an enjoyable movie regardless, seeing it every week on a TV show, not so much.

So, the yardstick for a good zombie flick/show is the amount of action?

I know exactly what is going on, it's just boring.

To you.

I don't have any pre-conceived idea of what it should be like, I just know I don't like it.

The show stands up well against any series I've watched and it has kept my interest from episode one. No mean feat considering I was hanging out for it from the moment I first heard about it.

You mentioned that you suspect that anyone who likes it must be a Lost fan, yet the first person to reply hasn't watched a second of Lost.. or True Blood for that matter.

I also gave up on it about half way through the 2nd season, my housemate loves the show, so unless I preferred to lock myself up in my room, not watching it wasn't a possibility. I've since taken the latter option. That however doesn't mean I'm not allowed to express on it's content and have the opinion that it's a poorly fleshed out script with some woefully bad actors. I could say the same thing about shows like Two and a half men and big bang theory, and be met with similar opposition.

You seem to think that everyone else is the problem when all around you like the show...

I also read the comics after season 1 BTW, not before.

I don't see why praise is ok, but criticism is not.

Walking Dead isn't and was never going to be a show for the masses yet you're the only person I've seen calling it boring or lacking action.

So, let me get this straight, you watched season one and didn't like it enough to buy the comic, then you got totally pissed off during season 2 because there wasn't enough action and the actors were wooden?

And you don't see where the problem is?

 

[Springs]

I love zombie movies as well... Not even close.

How is offering an opinion saying a tv show is crap, 'whining'?

Because after someone said they liked watching it you for some reason had to come on and say how awful it was without any reason. You only seemed to say it because EA said it was good. You came on and complained about the show when no one cared or wanted to hear it. Pretty much the definition of a whinge.

It's had far more character development and interaction than any zombie movie I have ever seen. It's also had more development than the comics so far, in which for most of the characters, especially Shane, no development occured until they got to the prison. And at the prison there was little action until they discovered Woodbury.

You also posted unfair generalisations about fans liking this also liking True Blood and Lost. I have seen neither. I didn't want to watch another vampire show and I didn't want to watch a show about people stuck on the island, so I didn't. I also didn't complain about them for no reason. I just didn't watch them.

If you are going to criticise something then explain why. Why are the actors 'woefully bad' (a ridiculous assertion) and why is the writing bad? Because even though you say the comics are good, Kirkman oversees the show and it's plot as well, even writing a few episodes.

The show deals with the themes surrounding the apocalypse excellently in my opinion. Conversations between Hershelle and Rick and Rick and Shane especially. It expands on the themes in the comics and does a good job at it. The major theme about the living being more dangerous than the dead is also done very well.

And the things that you whinged about before were the Hobbit, Avengers, Dark Knight etc. Where you criticised them for no apparent reason other than other people said they were good. Also what was wrong with Breaking Bad season 4? Because that has been the best received so far.

You made silly generalisations about fans of the show. You also said AIDS was more enjoyable. Expect to be criticised when you say crap like that for christ's sake.

 

[roofromoz]

Just don't watch repeats of The Walking Dead over the weekend. You are reminded every 5 minutes that you are watching The Walking Dead only to have a short ad break promoting the same 2-3 shows, before starting the cycle all over again. Nearly drove my wife to ram the Foxtel remote through the TV. But I think the first run episodes on Tuesday night are ad free.

 

[Ghoulies]

I'll start by saying that I like The Walking Dead; it can reach some pretty great heights when it's at its best (see: the pilot episode and all the major zombie setpieces of the 2nd season). But I think Firey has some valid criticisms.

I'd describe the "bad writing" of TWD as the moments where characters do something stupid that makes no sense, other than as a means to generate drama or advance the plot. I'm thinking of moments like where Andrea shoots Daryl, or when Lori was in Rick's ear in one scene about needing to take care of Shane, then getting shitty with him when finally does it. That, combined with the practically non-existent characterisation of people who have been on the show since episode 2, as well as the glacier pace of the first half of season 2, constitutes bad writing.

While all of that precludes it from ever really being elevated to the status Breaking Bad, The Wire, The Sopranos and Mad Men, it isn't enough to overwhelm its many good qualities (it has zombies).

Just as an aside, it's funny that you mention Suits and Hell on Wheels as candidates for superior dramas when they suffer from everything I've mentioned above, and much worse (they don't even have zombies).

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

I understood why Andrea shot Darryl.

She hadn't quite found her place in the group and she felt that she should be part of the group who defend it rather than someone who did the cooking etc. Shooting the "zombie" was going to put her where she thought she belonged. Didn't quite work out that way though...

 

[Firey_Dragon]

Because after someone said they liked watching it you for some reason had to come on and say how awful it was without any reason.

This is a discussion about tv shows is it not? I said it was a poor show and provided reason for my opinion. You didn't like said opinion, it doesn't mean I'm not allowed to air it.

You only seemed to say it because EA said it was good. You came on and complained about the show when no one cared or wanted to hear it. Pretty much the definition of a whinge.

That is your opinion of why I did it... And you are wrong.

It's had far more character development and interaction than any zombie movie I have ever seen. It's also had more development than the comics so far, in which for most of the characters, especially Shane, no development occured until they got to the prison. And at the prison there was little action until they discovered Woodbury.

It's not hard to have more 'character development' when you have 20 hours versus 1.5 hours. It doesn't change the fact that the dialog is poor, and the actors can't act very well.

You also posted unfair generalisations about fans liking this also liking True Blood and Lost. I have seen neither. I didn't want to watch another vampire show and I didn't want to watch a show about people stuck on the island, so I didn't. I also didn't complain about them for no reason. I just didn't watch them.

If you are going to criticise something then explain why. Why are the actors 'woefully bad' (a ridiculous assertion) and why is the writing bad? Because even though you say the comics are good, Kirkman oversees the show and it's plot as well, even writing a few episodes.

The show deals with the themes surrounding the apocalypse excellently in my opinion. Conversations between Hershelle and Rick and Rick and Shane especially. It expands on the themes in the comics and does a good job at it. The major theme about the living being more dangerous than the dead is also done very well.

And the things that you whinged about before were the Hobbit, Avengers, Dark Knight etc. Where you criticised them for no apparent reason other than other people said they were good. Also what was wrong with Breaking Bad season 4? Because that has been the best received so far.

You made silly generalisations about fans of the show. You also said AIDS was more enjoyable. Expect to be criticised when you say crap like that for christ's sake.

Are you done whinging?

 

[Springs]

This is a discussion about tv shows is it not? I said it was a poor show and provided reason for my opinion. You didn't like said opinion, it doesn't mean I'm not allowed to air it.


That is your opinion of why I did it... And you are wrong.


It's not hard to have more 'character development' when you have 20 hours versus 1.5 hours. It doesn't change the fact that the dialog is poor, and the actors can't act very well.


Are you done whinging?

So you actually did it just because you felt like complaining for no reason? Good for you.

I disagree. Some of the dialogue is annoying, doesn't mean all the scripts are poor. And I think the actors are doing just fine.

You're the one complaining about something. You gave no reasons for the dialogue being bad or the acting being poor, it was just an uneducated opinion you haven't backed up. And you said fans of the show are the same of fans of Lost, an unfair generalisation and not true in the slightest.

I agree The Walking Dead isn't in the same league as Breaking Bad, but it's still a good and entertaining show in it's own right. Just because a show isn't as good as Breaking Bad doesn't make it worse than AIDS.

I can understand why Andrea shot Daryl and it doesn't make it bad writing. It's just makes her a f**king annoying character, which so far with her hate against Dale for no reason and getting with Shane it's what she is written as.

Lori looking at a map and not the road while driving however, was pretty stupid in my opinion.

 

[Firey_Dragon]

So you actually did it just because you felt like complaining for no reason? Good for you.

I didn't 'complain', I said it was a shit show. You 'complained' because you didn't like said opinion.

I disagree. Some of the dialogue is annoying, doesn't mean all the scripts are poor. And I think the actors are doing just fine.

You're the one complaining about something. You gave no reasons for the dialogue being bad or the acting being poor, it was just an uneducated opinion you haven't backed up.

What 'reason' other than saying the dialog is poor to say it is poorly written? The characters have a complete inability to express any emotion, the dialog is uninteresting and very one dimensional.

Again, you are the one complaining, not me. I just said I didn't like the show, it's somehow got your panties in a twist.

And you said fans of the show are the same of fans of Lost, an unfair generalisation and not true in the slightest.

It follows a similar formula. Oh for the love of god, please don't press the button... ;-)

I agree The Walking Dead isn't in the same league as Breaking Bad, but it's still a good and entertaining show in it's own right. Just because a show isn't as good as Breaking Bad doesn't make it worse than AIDS.

It's a boring show with poor acting. Your opinion is different to mine, it makes for an entertaining discussion :lol:

I can understand why Andrea shot Daryl and it doesn't make it bad writing. It's just makes her a f**king annoying character, which so far with her hate against Dale for no reason and getting with Shane it's what she is written as.

Lori looking at a map and not the road while driving however, was pretty stupid in my opinion.

Haven't mentioned any of those scenes once, I don't care for your take on it. It's clear as day that you do not like discussing something unless it's full of praise for the things you enjoy.

Again, are you done whinging? Would you like for me to say I love the walking dead just to make you happy?

 

[Ghoulies]

I can understand why Andrea shot Daryl and it doesn't make it bad writing. It's just makes her a f**king annoying character, which so far with her hate against Dale for no reason and getting with Shane it's what she is written as.

Lori looking at a map and not the road while driving however, was pretty stupid in my opinion.

They were both really stupid things to do. I get that the writers were positioning her as the opposite of Lori's "let the men handle everything while we do the dishes" attitude, but Daryl was already being approached by the other group members so it made no sense for her to take such a stupid shot.

Her being an annoying character doesn't make it bad writing by itself. Game of Thrones has some of the most annoying characters you'll see, but you always know where they're coming from and why they act the way they do. I can't say the same for Lori or Andrea.

 

[Springs]

I can understand Andrea basically only in the way she is grief-stricken and suicidal/half insane, if she's not half insane she's pretty stupid. In the comics Andrea is the expert shot, so she wanted to prove herself as one by shooting the zombie. However she has really gone backwards from her character in the comics, which I must say no other characters really do, with some improved.

Lori is just as annoying in the comics. Rick gets pretty f**king frustrating as well. Thank Christ Maggie is around and Michonne is coming in, those two are the strongest female characters.

Game of Thrones, well yeah. Sansa early on I couldn't see her reasoning for being such an idiot other than her being an immature child. And nor do I understand how Joffrey was raised so bad. And that's alright because I don't mind hating a character like that, but one of the main themes of the series is supposed to be moral ambiguity and I couldn't imagine someone not hating that little inbred merkin.

 

[elyod138]

nor do I understand how Joffrey was raised so bad.

In George R.R Martin's world, insanity is a common side effect of inbreeding. I think that's why Joffrey is the way he is. We also saw it in Viserys, and many of his ancestors, because inbreeding is Targaryen tradition.

 

[Ghoulies]

Yeah Sansa is annoying in the first season, but she's meant to be barely a teenager, so you can understand why she acts the way she does.

I think it's explained really well how Joffrey and Viserys got to be the way they are. Joffrey and Viserys both had a huge sense of entitlement. Both were raised to believe they would eventually rule, by people who seem to be horrible role models for kids. So I don't think it's a stretch at all to believe that they would both turn out to be monsters.

 

[Springs]

The Walking Dead finale was pretty cool. With the introduction of Michonne, the prison and the Woodbury storyline pretty early it seems season three should be damn exciting.

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

Looking forward to it...only 5 months to go..

 

[Springs]

God damn it. The damn grand final will be played before the next episode.

 

[skeepe]

Anyone else getting into American Horror Story?

Absolutely loving it.

 

[Fire]

Hey Skeepe. Purely out of curiosity what is with your Geoff Carr banner, please? I don't understand it?

 

[bileduct]

The Walking Dead is crap.