The grand plan

[siv]

They already sold a big chunk to private equity

Plus it’s total value is like 300 to 500 million dollars(just the club game)

And the 10 remaining clubs, 7 are technically insolvent with total losses of 30 to 40 million pounds pa

Edit it was 27 percent for around 200 to 275 million pounds

‘They saved the Premiership’: Behind CVC’s five years in rugby

Special report, part one: Private equity firm reveals, for the first time, why it got involved in rugby and what it has done so far

www.telegraph.co.uk

So the whole comp is valued at around 1 billion pounds sterling

Seven Premiership clubs are balance sheet insolvent, finance report warns

Seven of the 10 English Premiership clubs are balance sheet insolvent, according to an independent financial industry report

www.theguardian.com

The English club game is a basketcase

Interesting

Maybe just buy the clubs ie a SL war style raid

 

[Wb1234]

Interesting

Maybe just buy the clubs ie a SL war style raid

There aren’t any big clubs over there anyway

Most are from small towns like rugby league

The big money is six nations and other test matches

Take away internationals and they are on par with super league

Soccer rules everything

Cvc already owns 27 percent of all the clubs and they are making good money on it as it is. Other club owners are happy to cover losses as long as they have money

Some have tried to have league sides eg Quins had broncos at their ground rebrand as Quins

Rugby of either code is just tiny in England

 

[Jonty]

There aren’t any big clubs over there anyway

Most are from small towns like rugby league

The big money is six nations and other test matches

Take away internationals and they are on par with super league

Soccer rules everything

Cvc already owns 27 percent of all the clubs and they are making good money on it as it is. Other club owners are happy to cover losses as long as they have money

Some have tried to have league sides eg Quins had broncos at their ground rebrand as Quins

Rugby of either code is just tiny in England

Bristol 500k

Leicester 375k

newcastle 310k

northampton 250k

and then theres harlequins and saracens based in London.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

I do really wonder is a combined England/Aus comp could work….

For the UK teams, the prestige of regularly hosting NRL teams would be enormous for local interest.

For Aus, having UK teams i the same comp make those games relevant to Aussie fans so i think the games on tv would get a great audience (sitting in the 300k mark for paytv). So it would just be more content to sell.

the obvious problems are logistics of travel and timezones. These might honestly be too much and split the comp in half (it would be sh*t if a third of your clubs away games are played after midnight…

You'd probably do three conferences of 10 (one of them a European conference) H&A then a finals series where top three from each Southern Hemisphere conference join the top 2 from the European conference for a combined finals series

 

[Perth Red]

Interets g nrl had talked about twenty nrl teams playing 19 games and then rumours they want a ten team SL team presumably playing each other twice to give Avery similar season length?

 

[Wb1234]

Can see them cutting two rounds tops

Four is way too much and they won’t hit 20 teams till 2030 at the earliest

Expanded internationals will be good though

I think they will end up doing a rep period around origin with no nrl games. That’s something they should’ve done decades ago

Women’s origin x 3
Men’s origin x 3
Samoa v Tonga x 3
Nz v England (if super league releases their players) x 3

Each game on a different night of the week over 3 weeks so content is there to cover no nrl

 

[Gobsmacked]

Can see them cutting two rounds tops

Four is way too much and they won’t hit 20 teams till 2030 at the earliest

Expanded internationals will be good though

I think they will end up doing a rep period around origin with no nrl games. That’s something they should’ve done decades ago

Women’s origin x 3
Men’s origin x 3
Samoa v Tonga x 3
Nz v England (if super league releases their players) x 3

Each game on a different night of the week over 3 weeks so content is there to cover no nrl

We need to move to a 3 week window during Origin as follows:
Origin- 3 game series, Men and women.
Samoa vs Tonga 3 game series.
Fiji vs PNG 3 game series.
New Zealand vs England 3 game series
France, Ireland, Wales and Scotland, 3 week comp.

Once the NRL has SL , we can pause both comps for the rep period.

Friday 7.30: Samoa v Tonga
Saturday 530: Origin (women) 7.30 men's
Sunday 4pm : Fiji vs PNG

Northern hemisphere:

Friday:730 Wales vs Scotland
Saturday: 7.30 NZ vs England
Sunday 4pm: France vs Ireland

During this period players with heritage should be released and paid to represent or run training programs for developing Countries, $10k for 3 weeks with those regardless of whether they are playing or not: USA , Jamaica, Canada ( a round robin comp maybe)Italy, Greece , Lebanon ect.

 

[flippikat]

Once the NRL has SL , we can pause both comps for the rep period.

That's it in a nutshell.

Management/oversight of the Australian NRL AND Superleague (maybe rebranded to NRL Europe) means club calendars can be aligned & universally accepted rep windows can happen.

We're looking at the potential for what FIFA has in their game.

 

[Gobsmacked]

That's it in a nutshell.

Management/oversight of the Australian NRL AND Superleague (maybe rebranded to NRL Europe) means club calendars can be aligned & universally accepted rep windows can happen.

We're looking at the potential for what FIFA has in their game.

What's interesting is between Union and League, Union has always been ahead in terms of organisation but it's really starting to swing, especially if the NRL buys Super League.
Rugby league can be run domestically and globally under one streamlined organisation within the next decade.
Union will still be juggling comps , internationals , overpaying to win talent from itself and infighting.

 

[flippikat]

What's interesting is between Union and League, Union has always been ahead in terms of organisation but it's really starting to swing, especially if the NRL buys Super League.
Rugby league can be run domestically and globally under one streamlined organisation within the next decade.
Union will still be juggling comps , internationals , overpaying to win talent from itself and infighting.

To be fair, a vital step was taken by the English establishment when they moved their season to the northern summer during the Superleague war, to align with ours.

Rugby union still struggles to reconcile two largely incompatable calendars - and if we can refine our global season, they'll be under even more pressure to fit all those pieces together in some coherent way.

 

[Gobsmacked]

To be fair, a vital step was taken by the English establishment when they moved their season to the northern summer during the Superleague war, to align with ours.

Rugby union still struggles to reconcile two largely incompatable calendars - and if we can refine our global season, they'll be under even more pressure to fit all those pieces together in some coherent way.

And while they're under all independent run countries and comps it will remain difficult

 

[Wb1234]

Img gave these muppets a b license

Ahead of London toulose and Bradford

 

[The Axe of Druss]

Origin- 3 game series, Men and women.
Samoa vs Tonga 3 game series.

Origin and Samoa v Tonga will never be played at the same time, ever

 

[shadowformz]

Interesting

Maybe just buy the clubs ie a SL war style raid

Rumours going around that this could be the case. If the RFL don't ask the NRL for assistance then the NRL could lead a rebel breakaway competition. 6 Super League clubs (Wigan, St Helens, Warrington, Leeds, Hull KR and Hull FC) + two French clubs (Catalan, Toulouse Olympique) + London Bronco's, and 1 more.........the Toronto Wolfpack.

 

[BuffaloRules]

Rumours going around that this could be the case. If the RFL don't ask the NRL for assistance then the NRL could lead a rebel breakaway competition. 6 Super League clubs (Wigan, St Helens, Warrington, Leeds, Hull KR and Hull FC) + two French clubs (Catalan, Toulouse Olympique) + London Bronco's, and 1 more.........the Toronto Wolfpack.

I would be extremely surprised if the NRL did that … they don’t have the money for a start…( nor would the clubs in Australia permit them to spend it ) , they have also said that they won’t get involved with ESL unless they have their co-operation … of course that seemingly is about as likely to happen as a cold day in hell..

 

[Gobsmacked]

I would be extremely surprised if the NRL did that … they don’t have the money for a start… they have also said that they won’t get involved with ESL unless they have their co-operation … of course this is about as likely to happen as a cold day in hell..

Well maybe. But the NRL have said that they need to be asked.. what if that is just in the form of the majority of the desirable clubs doing as much?
These bigger clubs are tired of being held back. A few are already being vocal in asking for the NRL’S assistance.
There's only really those 6 stated that are actually viable . They just need those 6 clubs.

 

[BuffaloRules]

Well maybe. But the NRL have said that they need to be asked.. what if that is just in the form of the majority of the desirable clubs doing as much?
These bigger clubs are tired of being held back. A few are already being vocal in asking for the NRL’S assistance.
There's only really those 6 stated that are actually viable . They just need those 6 clubs.

“Need to be asked” to administer the ESL…. Not start up a rebel competition

 

[Wb1234]

I would be extremely surprised if the NRL did that … they don’t have the money for a start…( nor would the clubs in Australia permit them to spend it ) , they have also said that they won’t get involved with ESL unless they have their co-operation … of course that seemingly is about as likely to happen as a cold day in hell..

Agreed

But Steve mascord has been pushing this line on Twitter saying there could be a breakaway of ten clubs

The nrl wouldn’t fund it they would get their own tv deal

 

[BuffaloRules]

Agreed

But Steve mascord has been pushing this line on Twitter saying there could be a breakaway of ten clubs

The nrl wouldn’t fund it they would get their own tv deal

Why would the NRL want to get involved in that sort of a shit fight? They have plenty on their plate with the TV rights and starting up Perth and PNG..

Steve Mascord is probably just wishful thinking rather than having any real inside info on this ..

 

[Gobsmacked]

“Need to be asked” to administer the ESL…. Not start up a rebel competition

Do you think Nick Politis has any idea?
He's looking at buying Salford and rebranding them as the Manchester Roosters.
I'm with Nick.