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[ParraEelsNRL]

It will be a huge shot in arm that's for sure but the inbetween are just as important. We draw roughly 1m viewers to tests yet SOO gets 3+m. SOO draws 50k + for all 3 games despite weather being poor in June. Yet for tests average under 20k yet the weathers great in Oct/Nov they should draw more but don't. Better quality games and that will change.

Look at the 2000's as an example. We won the WC undefeated with ease. 2001 v GB we lost game 1 but won the series 2-1. 2002 v GB Mid year we won 64-10. 2003 v GB (Over there) won 3-0. We lost the tri nations final (the 1st series lost since 1978). 2006 we lost a game to England yet played NZ in the final.

The WC final loss in 2008 is 3 losses in 10 years hardly going to bring the other 2m watching SOO across to watching tests.

Gotta pull you up on this, the 2009 Anzac test rated over 1.8 million (vic got the game live) and that was up against a Friday night afl match that beat the RL by just over 100k in Vic.

 

[WireMan]

You don't even know how ignorant you are. It's "could have" you cretin. So not only are you incapable of generating a response to the argument at hand, when you try to be a smart-arse and use words like "hence" in every post you just prove what a dim f**ker you actually are by using the kind of grammar a 10-year-old should be ashamed of.

I could of put have. But not using the Queens Inglish brings the best out in you. Nice use of the word cretin. Its use is undervalued in the world.

You could of wrote something worth responding to (or even put an argument in the hand), but ya didn't, you said something about Northerners, something about Wrexham and about the RFL buying Odsal.

Hence, i could of made a joke, or i could of answered an argument, but there was no argument to debate, and no punchline to deliver.

 

[deluded pom?]

 

[franklin2323]

Gotta pull you up on this, the 2009 Anzac test rated over 1.8 million (vic got the game live) and that was up against a Friday night afl match that beat the RL by just over 100k in Vic.

OK a few games get those rating the WC final was close to 2m as was the 2010 4 nations final (both Australian loses). A sustained period of everyone beating each other will be a huge help (Like we get from 4th in the world down. It looks close some quality youngsters from NZ/England coming through lets hope over the next couple of years it happens. You know Australia won't lose the ANZAC test if the 4 nations is in NH Australia v Eng final. If down here it's Australia v NZ.



I love tests as much as the next person but why does it struggle to sell tickets to games? Sydney's had a game against PNG & Fiji and not much else & not even 20k to either. No tests in Australia this year last year only regional areas. We have the potential to pack ANZ or Suncorp every test yet don't.

Only losing 1 mid year test since SL doesn't help peak interest. No sport can maintain 1 teams dominanxe for that long.

 

[franklin2323]

Don't get me wrong we need Internationals & they are fantastics. We love any sport against the kiwis & poms.

I just see SOO as getting people interested in the game it's up to the NRL clubs to get the casual fans to go for their team & attend games. Same with the international federation. The figures prove we want to watch representative RL. It's up to them to get the 180k that attended games or the 3m average tv viewers to do the same for tests.

They don't & let NRL Clubs decide to have a 'light year' so we get no tests in Australia this year :crazy: & should never happen.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

If we are going to play teams like PNG, Fiji, Samoa and so on, we need to keep them away from Sydney and the other capitals for a while, play them in the Newcastle, Canberra, Nth QLD, Wollongong and so on. Sydney needs to learn to love test footy again.

 

[taipan]

Nw this won't do. The first rant had feeling, this is just going through the motions.

To much waffle, repetition again, boring (English with an I!! the scandal :roll.

I'm giving this a D-. Standard are slipping.





How can we compete regularly with NZ? They never seem to turn up in the NH?

First reduce the number of imports and give more locals a go.Try and stop the drain of players to onion.Don't think promo and relegation helps IMO,that is before thinking about nZ .

 

[franklin2323]

Sydney needs to learn to love test footy again.

Spot on. roughly 1.6m attended comp games. 80k gf. Last year 80k S00. 500-800k viewers for NRL games. The interest is there. Yet come test time no one shows up.

As a Panthers member I have recieve surveys from the NRL before (last year was about GWS). The IC needs to do something similar to look into why people don't attend tests. Unlike NZ & England RL is number 1 in Sydney yet struggle to get crowds for tests.

 

[druzik]

If we are going to play teams like PNG, Fiji, Samoa and so on, we need to keep them away from Sydney and the other capitals for a while, play them in the Newcastle, Canberra, Nth QLD, Wollongong and so on. Sydney needs to learn to love test footy again.

First you need to get the Aussies to want to play these teams in the first place!

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

First you need to get the Aussies to want to play these teams in the first place!

4 nations were what I had in mind where they are forced to play them because we all know that's the only way they will play.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

Disregard, as you were

 

[WireMan]

4 nations were what I had in mind where they are forced to play them because we all know that's the only way they will play.

I don't see why the international game should have to force Australia to do anything.

NZ could play PNG, Fiji and Samoa, and tour the NH. England could play Wales, France etc. and tour NZ. Australia can turn up for World Cups and an ANZAC test with NZ.

An England tour of NZ may be easier to promote, will give experience of playing in the SH, and NZ are a credible opp in international rugby.


If it seems Aus has to be forced into these games it weakens the international game.

In Union, the 6 nations does not need SH teams, the tri nations does not need NH teams. For Football, the African cup of nations does not need Brazil or Spain to be a big comp. We don't need every team in every comp. In fact to make the world cup a stand alone comp, its better not to.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

Got to wait and see where the IC puts International RL first.

The NRL and news haven't given a stuff about IRL since the SL war.

 

[adamkungl]

In the next 10 years it would be good, and possibly realistic, to see

-France rise up to compete well with the top 3

-England win a series

-A 16 team world cup, with a thorough and credible qualifying process, and no super
pools.

-Every RLIF ranked nation playing at least 3 tests a year. This is the most important.

-Tonga and Samoa rising in prominence - these 2 have potential to not only be competitive but draw good crowds in Australia. Won't happen when they go over a year without playing a single test.

-PNG and Wales competing well with the top 3. PNG won't until they regularly get young players into the NRL. This requires major assistance that currently isn't happening. Wales have probably been set back by their drop from the Super League. Hopefully they are back soon.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

Yeah agree with that.

And we need to be sending a lot more DO's all over the place.

 

[adamkungl]

All of that is quite achieveable...well, except England winning

 

[franklin2323]

All great points. Add USA get their act together both comps combined & the top 23 can match Ire & Scot now. A few years together & they will be just under France & Wales.

France & Wales will catch the top 3 within 10 years if growth continues like the last 10 years. Both have great 17-20yo they should give them a handy team. just need them to step up against the big 3 & we have 5 teams up there. Suddenly test footy is alive & well.

 

[adamkungl]

NZ achieve great things with a small population - France should be able to get to the same level. The better they get and the more exposure they get, the more likely they are to keep talent in RL rather than Union.

 

[druzik]

I read these comments and shake my head.

I know people want to see International RL rise up, but the solutions people want wont do it. There is a fundamental attitude here that will hold the sport back.

Food for thought, why is there a god given right that it should only be Australia, England, NZ and France that need to be strong. What is so bad about other nations becoming strong.

This seems to be the underlying current here "Oh yes lets have all these nation, but as long as those 4 are strong and competitive with each other".

BOLLOCKS!

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

I read these comments and shake my head.

I know people want to see International RL rise up, but the solutions people want wont do it. There is a fundamental attitude here that will hold the sport back.

Food for thought, why is there a god given right that it should only be Australia, England, NZ and France that need to be strong. What is so bad about other nations becoming strong.

This seems to be the underlying current here "Oh yes lets have all these nation, but as long as those 4 are strong and competitive with each other".

BOLLOCKS!

No one has ever said that it should be such and such countries at the top and it being their right

We mention France and others because they are the countries currently closet to getting to the top with the current nations at the top.

Of course we want all nations to be good at RL, but realistically, some are further along than others.