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The Las Vegas Thread

taste2taste

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Any pro comp in the USA or anywhere new for that matter isn’t coming from “building the foundations” “focusing on grassroots first” or any other cliche you can throw at it, not in our lifetimes anyway. Only a shitload of money is going to make it happen.
Why not follow the template Major League Rugby used ?

Start with local talent, registered league and Union players, and then sign players from lower level leagues OS ( Elite 1, championship, NSW/QLD cup, Bartercard cup ) throw in a couple of aging stars and Tadaa you've got 10 teams.

If the report in Sundays Telegraph is correct a professional comp will be up and running in the USA as early as 2025, all the hard works been done over the past 5 years.
 

firechild

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Don't you know that BBQs can't happen after 3PM?

And won't someone think of the children's bed time?
To be fair though, that's a pretty reasonable argument. I, like many here, grew up watching grand finals and State of Origins at a reasonable hour. It's what makes me enjoy the game so much these days. My son couldn't stay awake through a GF and the late night of SOO before school the next day was too much for him. I took him to games and he had jerseys and flags but ended up with little interest in actually watching the games, it was more just saying that he had a team to follow.
 

MugaB

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Toronto would be in Canada.

But, yes, it looks like RL is stronger on the East of USA. The teams on the West Coast are full amateur.
This sounds a lot like Australia, with perf being the full on west coast amatuer team
 

jim_57

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Why not follow the template Major League Rugby used ?

Start with local talent, registered league and Union players, and then sign players from lower level leagues OS ( Elite 1, championship, NSW/QLD cup, Bartercard cup ) throw in a couple of aging stars and Tadaa you've got 10 teams.

If the report in Sundays Telegraph is correct a professional comp will be up and running in the USA as early as 2025, all the hard works been done over the past 5 years.

That local talent would have to be mostly Union and Football players though. A USARL player or 2 might get a look in but no pro comp is being built around the current Rugby League setup in the USA which is what I’m getting at. It will take a lot of money and the strength of the current USARL will barely factor in to it.
 

taste2taste

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That local talent would have to be mostly Union and Football players though. A USARL player or 2 might get a look in but no pro comp is being built around the current Rugby League setup in the USA which is what I’m getting at. It will take a lot of money and the strength of the current USARL will barely factor in to it.
They aren't trying to build around the current set up, so why even mention it ?

We have no idea how much money it will cost, the article states ( assuming it's not an April fools joke ) that a consortium of 5 are funding it and have already secured sponsors and are in negotiations for a TV deal.

I mean, surely it isn't costing too much if Karl Stefanvic can get it on it ;)
 

Perth Red

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They aren't trying to build around the current set up, so why even mention it ?

We have no idea how much money it will cost, the article states ( assuming it's not an April fools joke ) that a consortium of 5 are funding it and have already secured sponsors and are in negotiations for a TV deal.

I mean, surely it isn't costing too much if Karl Stefanvic can get it on it ;)
Didnt they say they were looking for $23mill investment? It's weird how this has been apparently planned for years but only came to light this week?
 

jim_57

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They aren't trying to build around the current set up, so why even mention it ?

We have no idea how much money it will cost, the article states ( assuming it's not an April fools joke ) that a consortium of 5 are funding it and have already secured sponsors and are in negotiations for a TV deal.

I mean, surely it isn't costing too much if Karl Stefanvic can get it on it ;)

It was discussed on the last page.

As for the comp getting off the ground as much as I’d like to see it I’ll believe it when I see it like the other proposed US comps that have come and gone. Hopefully there is some substance to it.
 

Wb1234

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They aren't trying to build around the current set up, so why even mention it ?

We have no idea how much money it will cost, the article states ( assuming it's not an April fools joke ) that a consortium of 5 are funding it and have already secured sponsors and are in negotiations for a TV deal.

I mean, surely it isn't costing too much if Karl Stefanvic can get it on it ;)
There was a similar announcement about a pro rl comp in america with sponsors lined up and teams chosen then it turned out it was all lies
 

taste2taste

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Didnt they say they were looking for $23mill investment? It's weird how this has been apparently planned for years but only came to light this week?
My reading was, they are offering the NRL investment and/or buying teams licenses as a way to grow the NRL brand in USA and benefiting Pro USA by giving them credibility as they try and secure a TV deal.

I'm paraphrasing, but the quote in the article was, "the pro USA comp will be going ahead regardless if the NRL get involved"
 

taste2taste

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It was discussed on the last page.

As for the comp getting off the ground as much as I’d like to see it I’ll believe it when I see it like the other proposed US comps that have come and gone. Hopefully there is some substance to it.
Covid ruined the last attempt. New York had signed Tony 'T Rex' Williams as thier marquee player.
 

Canard

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Why not follow the template Major League Rugby used ?

Start with local talent, registered league and Union players, and then sign players from lower level leagues OS ( Elite 1, championship, NSW/QLD cup, Bartercard cup ) throw in a couple of aging stars and Tadaa you've got 10 teams.

If the report in Sundays Telegraph is correct a professional comp will be up and running in the USA as early as 2025, all the hard works been done over the past 5 years.
Isn't Union fairly well established in universities/colleges etc in the US? So there is some sort of support structure there?

For 10 teams of 26 to be playing professionally in less than 12 months, there must be some serious backing, and people willing to not see a return for a long time.
 

Vlad59

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Union players in the USA are estimated to be somewhere between 60-450 thousand. There is no reliable figure. But I understand there are decent comps there which might provide a reasonable amount of talent for these proposed teams. But who knows until we are told more?
 

taste2taste

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Isn't Union fairly well established in universities/colleges etc in the US? So there is some sort of support structure there?

For 10 teams of 26 to be playing professionally in less than 12 months, there must be some serious backing, and people willing to not see a return for a long time.
Kinda sorta, Union has been played in the USA for over 100 years and is played in a handfull of university's, that had little to do with Major League Rugby's set up as they relied heavily on foreign players. I suspect a pro League comp would do the same. Pub trivia, Gridiron was originally Union until they changed the rules to make it better to play and watch.

The quotes in the article state the backers are expecting a very lean 5 years, Karl had better patient if he wants a return on his investment.

I agree having a pro comp up and running next year is unrealistic. Like the Veags venture, we'll have to wait and see.
 

Diesel

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Does a Twilight now suit everyone? 5pm Sydney, 7pm NZ, 4pm in QLD which, I just realised doesn’t suit USA.

carry on…
 

Canard

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Does a Twilight now suit everyone? 5pm Sydney, 7pm NZ, 4pm in QLD which, I just realised doesn’t suit USA.

carry on…
I agree that twilight is the best compromise, but it appears that TV rules the roost these days.

I fully expect AFL to go to night time grand finals within the next decade.
 

Iamback

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Players won't be issue for the US comp, sponsors and money to pay them will be.

Jamacia had a bunch of nuffies in the world cup.
Canada have players
9's teams.

Maybe they sign a couple of guys in the lower tiers if they make a decent offer.

Having the systems and money in place to improve that comp is a concern
 

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