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Canard

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It’ll get sorted - the yanks want us there, they’re paying for the privilege.
Take everything you read on Fox with a pinch of salt - it’s been a very slow couple of weeks in terms of news, they’re scratching around for stories that will get clicks - there’s no way there isn’t already a plan for Visas.
This wasn't reported on Fox.

And no- one is paying the NRL to go to Vegas, much less the Americans. Where did you get that idea from?
 
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Iamback

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Abdos stealing a wage lol

Of course you see the negative.

As per the article

He was contacted on 16th Dec
Was overseas for a week.
Everything shuts for 2-3 weeks

It will get sorted but as is the case with this time of the year there is delays
 

taste2taste

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NRL clubs call urgent meeting with V’landys over Las Vegas double-header concerns
By Andrew Webster
January 22, 2024 — 1.21pm


The four clubs playing in the NRL’s historic season-opening double-header in Las Vegas have demanded an urgent meeting with Australian Rugby League Commission chairman Peter V’landys over several unresolved issues — including clarity around the players’ visas.

Manly, Brisbane, South Sydney and the Roosters leave for the US in less than a month ahead of matches at Allegiant Stadium on March 2.

Yet the four clubs are frustrated with head office about the lack of information concerning visas, medical insurance, training venues in Las Vegas and rising costs.

The club chief executives wrote to NRL chief executive Andrew Abdo on December 16 asking for a meeting to resolve the issues.

At the time, Abdo was on a week-long promotional tour in the US city with handpicked players and reporters, including the Herald.

Frustrated by the NRL’s lack of urgency, they have since insisted V’landys attend the meeting.

The situation reached boiling point on Friday when the NRL’s advice about visas dramatically changed.

For months, the NRL indicated to the clubs that players could travel to the US on an ESTA, which waives the traveller from needing a visa.

The Broncos sought their own travel advice while the other clubs were concerned about players being stopped and turned around by US customs officers. They had been asking for a definitive answer about visas since October 18.

On Friday, the NRL emailed the clubs to tell them that players now had three options, each of them graded in relation to how easy it would be to enter the US: an athletes’ visa (most conservative); a visitors’ visa (conservative); and an ESTA (least conservative).

It also warned that players who had been previously arrested by the police in Australia could face challenges getting into the US.

Speaking on behalf of the four clubs, South Sydney chief executive Blake Solly maintained they supported the ambitious project to crack the US market, but wanted the issues resolved as soon as possible.

“The four clubs are completely supportive of the NRL’s vision for the USA and the match in Las Vegas,” Solly said. “An ambitious project of this nature is always going to have its logistical challenges, like the visa issue. Ideally, these logistical issues are solved ASAP, so we can focus solely on promoting the game and working with the NRL to ensure this event is the success it deserves to be”.

Asked why the clubs had insisted V’landys take a more hands-on approach, Solly said: “As we get closer to the match, we felt the preparation needed Peter’s energy and unique ability to ‘get things done’.”

Abdo would not specifically address the clubs’ concerns, but told this masthead: “Anything new like this is going to have its challenges. We’re working really hard to resolve some of the issues we’re facing given the scale and magnitude of this. I’m confident the appropriate solutions will be in place as a matter of priority in coming days and weeks.”

V’landys vowed to rectify the clubs’ concerns.

“I understand their frustrations,” he said. “However, I’m a 100 per cent confident all the matters will be resolved very quickly. I appreciate their strong support for the concept. We’re all on the same team promoting this. If it succeeds, it could be one of the greatest things to happen to the game.”

The NRL’s plans to play the double-header in Las Vegas were first reported in late April last year.

It was part of V’landys’ desire to increase revenue for international broadcast rights and US wagering revenue, which has exploded in recent years as various states legalise betting.

Months later, it was revealed the Sea Eagles would play the Rabbitohs in the first match of the double-header followed by the Broncos taking on the Roosters in the second.

However, there have been increasing concerns about the success of the project.

Abdo officially launched the double-header at Allegiant Stadium on December 13, including a partnership with the UFC, a sport that dominates the Vegas sporting landscape.

But ticket sales have barely moved since. According to V’landys, about 21,000 have been sold — only a thousand since the promotional tour that involved South centre Campbell Graham, Brisbane hooker Billy Walters, Roosters forward Spencer Leniu and Manly’s Aaron Woods.

The double-header has been heavily promoted in the US on Fox Sports 1, which will broadcast both matches, while V’landys said a broader campaign would be launched in coming weeks.

“You need to look for the next frontier,” V’landys said. “You need things that are going to improve the game. You can rest on your laurels, but that’s not me. You have to look for these challenges. I really believe in this one; that in years to come I will hopefully be proven right.

“It’s not going to happen overnight. It’s going to take a few years. The US has a market of over 340 million people … everything suggests it will succeed. I’ve learned in life that things are only successful if implemented correctly.”
And in BREAKING NEWS !! Andrew Webster has written yet another article bagging the Vegas double header :D :D
 

shewi6

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This wasn't reported on Fox.

And no- one is paying the NRL to go to Vegas, much less the Americans. Where did you get that idea from?
The nrl does have a deal with the las vegas tourism authority i think it was, no values were mentioned though.
 

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This visa thing is amateur hour. clubs should’ve been informed of the exact visa requirements the moment the whole thing was announced . The ESTA is an electronic visitor permit (which you can’t get if you have a criminal record). From what I can see that would be fine as they’ll there for under 90 days and not be doing paid work for a US company (you can work on an ESTA but only for overseas employers, which the NRL would be).
but anyone with a record would have to go through the process of getting the correct visa and that should’ve been clarified at the start.
I know this stuff just from visiting the place a few times, how the hell are professional sporting teams struggling with it?
Good luck to the Broncos getting Haas, Walsh and Cobbo into the country if they haven’t already got it sorted.
 
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There is no way only 1,000 tickets have moved since the PR activation in December. There has been way too much movement in Stadium availability, ticket allocation numbers, etc. Maybe the NRL overstated numbers back in December or the majority of the movement has been other allocations, but there has definitely been more movement.

Anyway, regardless, in the scheme of things it's only how many tickets have been sold come March 2nd that matters, not what numbers may or might not be now. A crowd less than 30K come March would pretty much be the undoing of PVL + Abdo's leadership with one (or both) most likely losing their role off the back of it. I imagine they would be aware of that risk as well, so I'd expect them to have a few cards to play, if again everything is as bad as Webster reports.
 
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This visa thing is amateur hour. clubs should’ve been informed of the exact visa requirements the moment the whole thing was announced . The ESTA is an electronic visitor permit (which you can’t get if you have a criminal record). From what I can see that would be fine as they’ll there for under 90 days and not be doing paid work for a US company (you can work on an ESTA but only for overseas employers, which the NRL would be).
but anyone with a record would have to go through the process of getting the correct visa and that should’ve been clarified at the start.
I know this stuff just from visiting the place a few times, how the hell are professional sporting teams struggling with it?
Good luck to the Broncos getting Haas, Walsh and Cobbo into the country if they haven’t already got it sorted.
I travel to the US a fair bit for work, and have always done so under an ESTA. Storm in a teacup for the players without a record.
 

Jamberoo

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There is no way only 1,000 tickets have moved since the PR activation in December. There has been way too much movement in Stadium availability, ticket allocation numbers, etc. Maybe the NRL overstated numbers back in December or the majority of the movement has been other allocations, but there has definitely been more movement.

Anyway, regardless, in the scheme of things it's only how many tickets have been sold come March 2nd that matters, not what numbers may or might not be now. A crowd less than 30K come March would pretty much be the undoing of PVL + Abdo's leadership with one (or both) most likely losing their role off the back of it. I imagine they would be aware of that risk as well, so I'd expect them to have a few cards to play, if again everything is as bad as Webster reports.
Is the crowd really that important? This is about gambling revenue first and broadcast numbers second. Both are easily measured. As long as 30k looks ok on TV I reckon that is acceptable.
 

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I travel to the US a fair bit for work, and have always done so under an ESTA. Storm in a teacup for the players without a record.
Yeah but the clubs should’ve been straight onto the visa thing months ago and working on sorting it - not holding crisis meetings a month out from the game. As you say getting an ESTA is super easy if you’re a cleanskin, so the first thing all the clubs should’ve done was have all players apply for one, then got the club officials straight onto assisting the guys who couldn’t get ESTAs in getting the appropriate visas. This all should’ve been sorted by now, at most they ought to have all visa applications submitted, and just be waiting for processing.
 

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Yeah but the clubs should’ve been straight onto the visa thing months ago and working on sorting it - not holding crisis meetings a month out from the game. As you say getting an ESTA is super easy if you’re a cleanskin, so the first thing all the clubs should’ve done was have all players apply for one, then got the club officials straight onto assisting the guys who couldn’t get ESTAs in getting the appropriate visas. This all should’ve been sorted by now, at most they ought to have all visa applications submitted, and just be waiting for processing.

How did Woods, Carrigan etc already get in?

They must know the process
 

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Is the crowd really that important? This is about gambling revenue first and broadcast numbers second. Both are easily measured. As long as 30k looks ok on TV I reckon that is acceptable.
Sorry for my ignorance, I'm recovering in hospital and haven't read all the posts so I apologise if it's already been posted.....What's the size of the Allegiant Stadium stadium now...has the smaller size compared to our grounds been addressed?

I think what has been said is that a crowd strategically seated so it looks good on pay TV is what it's all about....just like SOO.
There is a wide viewing audience around the world that will tune in and make the gambling online fairly significant I would imagine.

 

SpaceMonkey

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How did Woods, Carrigan etc already get in?

They must know the process
The probably have ESTAs, which as we’ve already said is very straightforward if you don’t have a criminal record. Getting the visas sorted for the guys with clean records is trivial- but we’re talking about Rugby League players here, there always going to a a significant % who aren’t going to have that luxury.
 

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There is no way only 1,000 tickets have moved since the PR activation in December. There has been way too much movement in Stadium availability, ticket allocation numbers, etc. Maybe the NRL overstated numbers back in December or the majority of the movement has been other allocations, but there has definitely been more movement.

Anyway, regardless, in the scheme of things it's only how many tickets have been sold come March 2nd that matters, not what numbers may or might not be now. A crowd less than 30K come March would pretty much be the undoing of PVL + Abdo's leadership with one (or both) most likely losing their role off the back of it. I imagine they would be aware of that risk as well, so I'd expect them to have a few cards to play, if again everything is as bad as Webster reports.
With your knowledge of crowds what would you predict the final number will be ?

Personally I rekon a crowd of 30 to 40k is a pass, Vegas has a small population and relying on visitors to attend a forien sport ( when they could be at Adele, Wu Tang, Chris Rock, pool parties, gentleman's clubs ... etc) Is a big ask.

Having said that, 1 tweet from Dana White could sell out the stadium.
 

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And in BREAKING NEWS !! Andrew Webster has written yet another article bagging the Vegas double header :D :D
This was direct quotes from V'landys and Solly, not some "sources say" Fox Sports rubbish, it's a real story.
The nrl does have a deal with the las vegas tourism authority i think it was, no values were mentioned though.
I haven't seen that mentioned anywhere, it's not like Vegas struggles for tourism dollars.

Regardless, do we think that US Immigration would care about such an arrangement?
 

Canard

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There is no way only 1,000 tickets have moved since the PR activation in December. There has been way too much movement in Stadium availability, ticket allocation numbers, etc. Maybe the NRL overstated numbers back in December or the majority of the movement has been other allocations, but there has definitely been more movement.

Anyway, regardless, in the scheme of things it's only how many tickets have been sold come March 2nd that matters, not what numbers may or might not be now. A crowd less than 30K come March would pretty much be the undoing of PVL + Abdo's leadership with one (or both) most likely losing their role off the back of it. I imagine they would be aware of that risk as well, so I'd expect them to have a few cards to play, if again everything is as bad as Webster reports.
The 21000 number was provided by V'landys himself.

I'd say it's more likely that this goes the way of AFLX, and everyone just pretends it didn't happen.
 

taste2taste

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This was direct quotes from V'landys and Solly, not some "sources say" Fox Sports rubbish, it's a real story.

I haven't seen that mentioned anywhere, it's not like Vegas struggles for tourism dollars.

Regardless, do we think that US Immigration would care about such an arrangement?
There aren't any quotes saying "EMERGENCY MEETING" or "CRISIS " or any quotes relating to " rising costs " Thise are all Webster's words based off 'sources say' . The sources he does quote are very positive towards the games. It's yet another 'Vegas games CRISIS' story from Webster who has been death riding the Vegas games since they were first mentioned 3 years ago, his article's are aimed at like minded people like you so you can post "I told you so" on league forums with random references to AFLX

If they could sort out all these problems with thier half arsed effort in 1987 I'm pretty sure they shouldn't have any problems sorting them out in 2024
 

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