The Lurker - Brett Morris

[dragonssamy61]

Agree 100% with your comment regarding going back to the past is not the answer.
But in regard to the juniors you mentioned, Dufty will be our fullback in 2018, his run payed off.
Sele and Lawrie were given a run and Mary actually gave them a fair run to blood them imo. They will, or at the very least should, be part of the 17 in 2018.
Host, i feel for the kid. He is a backrower, and with Sims on the bench, i cant see the justification in having two backrowers on the bench.
Kiti is just injury prone, he got injured in the run he was given.
Field, he had a couple of trials and his style of play was picked by the opposition straight away. He only has the show and step. Pity.
As for Leilua, iv watched some illawarra games, and he is WAY OFF first grade standard. His fitness is shocking, his effort in games is low, he hasnt shown that he deserves a run in first grade.
I wanna say something, i understand people arent happy with Mary, im not either, but the Juniors werent a major problem of his coaching.
The problem was his lack of balls to make changes when required.
Mann should have had a run at fullback in the games Nighty was used. And he also should have had a longer run from earlier in the 7,
MacDonald should have been dropped,
Packer, before he got injured, the way he was playing, should have been dropped.
McCrone should have been dropped earlier.
Mary has given juniors a run when its warrented. But he hasnt had the balls to do what a coach should do to keep the team winning.
He doesnt have the balls, or the knowledge to work that aspect out.

You make some very good points re McGregor.
I also think his biggest problem is that he has know plan b .
When plan a isn't working wr have no plan b.
All good coaches can implement plan b.
But not mary.
He is reactionary ( and he is even slow at that) not proactive.
All the good coaches are

 

[Gm5]

f**k no. i loved him before he said he wasnt going anywhere then signed with those f**kers 2 weeks later.

 

[Crush]

If Dragons sign Bmoz that will do me. Can you imagine Nighty on one wing and Brett on the other!? Is it 2010 again? Maybe we could get Gaz and Coops out of retirement? I mean they might not have the pace anymore but they would bring experience!
Screw that! I want wingers like the storm, parra, raiders. Fast and tough.
Bmoz has violet crumbles for legs.

 

[ALSGI]

Lad, you cant honestly say pace is what makes a winger safe as a house? Pace makes you a finisher, Nighty doesnt have pace but is one of the safest wingers in the comp.
He can catch, he can score freaky tries, he can tackle, only gets caught out because of the centre running in, he is always the first one back to take a run from dummy half till the big boys get back, he just lacks pace.
And yes, pace is an important part of a wingers game, but to say because Nighty lacks pace he isnt safe is, in my opinion, wrong.

Let's agree to disagree.
He's too slow, has been shown up too many times this year and we have better options imo.

 

[mickeylane]

If the objective is to improve the backline then Brett Morris would be a great acquisition at our stage of development.
Straight swap for McDonald (6 tries 2017)
All the business about his unsuccessful stint at Dogs will be soon forgotten once starts scoring tries again in the big Red V.
Nighty is a specialist right winger playing out of position.
With Morris back the team will actually be more balanced.
Add a quality centre and the backline will start to look the goods.

2018 wingers
Dylan Morris
Brett Morris
How cool would that be!

 

[Eatons Hill Dragon]

2018 wingers
Dylan Morris
Brett Morris
How cool would that be!

And Steve Morris as Coach.

 

[blacksafake]

Dennis
It is the coaches plan .
The problem with dufty at fb is he want make 100 + meters bringing the ball back as he get bashed and pushed back regularly.
So we need wingers how will do 15 or more hit ups and gain 100 or more meters , and get quick play the balls.
That way then we can get on a roll though our pack.
But if we had a coach how truly was a coach they would have a plan be and use McDonald's strengths.
Using him a bartering ram is not working because he is to slow and needs to work on his speed and toughness.
But mary only has one plan

So true Samy & so sad.

 

[Dennis Papaioannou]

Dribble, if you are going to use stats, then BMorris has scored 6 try's as well, Nene is a specialists left winger playing on the right mmmm wonder why Mcidiot has them playing out of their positions, Nightingale may have score 16 try's but he would be lucky to have run for 100m, all pretty simple try's, nightingale has lost the "pace" he had, he is letting in try's, letting players beat him easily on the outside, he needs to retire, yes he is still a capable winger but he is past it, BMorris is a shadow of the player he wants was and is injury prone, dont need him nor nightingale, bring one of the youngster into the side to play wing..

We know your one eyed views about Nightingale and his pace.
I don't think your arguments stack up one little bit even if you conveniently dismiss all the stats.
To say the tries he scored were all easy and anyone could have scored them is just an insult to Nightingale. If it was half a dozen maybe you could say that but not 16 times.
He is always perfectly positioned to take the last pass and hardly ever misses. Never overruns the last pass as so many wingers tend to do
As for Morris, I am sure you weren't complaining when he scored over 100 tries for St. George.
I don't know if you watched him for the dogs when he wasn't injured.
Made a massive difference to they're performance.
"shadow of the player..." - hardly.
Nightingale will never let us down and I would have no problem whatsoever dropping him if the coach had some foresight and had a couple of juniors primed and ready to take his place.
Unfortunately, that is not the case so I prefer to continue supporting Nightingale until something better comes along.

 

[AyiosYiorgos]

We know your one eyed views about Nightingale and his pace.
I don't think your arguments stack up one little bit even if you conveniently dismiss all the stats.
To say the tries he scored were all easy and anyone could have scored them is just an insult to Nightingale. If it was half a dozen maybe you could say that but not 16 times.
He is always perfectly positioned to take the last pass and hardly ever misses. Never overruns the last pass as so many wingers tend to do
As for Morris, I am sure you weren't complaining when he scored over 100 tries for St. George.
I don't know if you watched him for the dogs when he wasn't injured.
Made a massive difference to they're performance.
"shadow of the player..." - hardly.
Nightingale will never let us down and I would have no problem whatsoever dropping him if the coach had some foresight and had a couple of juniors primed and ready to take his place.
Unfortunately, that is not the case so I prefer to continue supporting Nightingale until something better comes along.

My one eyed view about Nightingale and his pace, sounds like the pot calling the kettle black, you have your one eyed view and i have mine, yes he scored 16 try's, but we have zero chance of scoring any try's from 50m out as he cant outpace anyone, his positional play in defence is letting him down he shows the wingers the sideline and when they take it he cant catch them, watch the Parra game , Storm game all examples of his diminishing pace and for a winger you need pace this aint 2010, as fro Morris his best years were at the Dragons and i loved every single one of his try's, but if you think he is the same player as he was when he left us your dreaming, in 3years at the dogs he has played 45 out of 81, so a bit hard to watch him play when he nearly misses 50% of the games, time to let them go thanks for the memories to both of them, we have plenty of young guns ready to play just like Dufty got his chance and guess what he did ok for a young kid, oh and i love your last comment "I prefer to continue supporting Nightingale until something better comes along " ......

 

[Saintsified]

This is one of the biggest issues in my opinion. McGregor may argue with you that he has debuted Dufty, Aitken, Leilua, Sele, Host, Kiti Glymin, Field and Lawrie. But the point is what did he do for them after debueing. Only Aitkin has had any continuous game time the rest have had only dribs and drabs. And usually alternating between Reserve grade and being on the bench which is no development for them at all. I see other clubs using their Juniors and developing them such as Cotric, Mitchell and Hess to name a few. While we persevere with the old Brigade hoping they will come good. And yes I am speaking about Nighty for 1.
We have the juniors abd Millward keeps telling us how good they are, so lets now run with that.
Going back to the past is not the answer

I guess you wouldnt take Wayne back either then.

 

[Dragonslayer]

I guess you wouldnt take Wayne back either then.

Probably not

 

[Dennis Papaioannou]

My one eyed view about Nightingale and his pace, sounds like the pot calling the kettle black, you have your one eyed view and i have mine, yes he scored 16 try's, but we have zero chance of scoring any try's from 50m out as he cant outpace anyone, his positional play in defence is letting him down he shows the wingers the sideline and when they take it he cant catch them, watch the Parra game , Storm game all examples of his diminishing pace and for a winger you need pace this aint 2010, as fro Morris his best years were at the Dragons and i loved every single one of his try's, but if you think he is the same player as he was when he left us your dreaming, in 3years at the dogs he has played 45 out of 81, so a bit hard to watch him play when he nearly misses 50% of the games, time to let them go thanks for the memories to both of them, we have plenty of young guns ready to play just like Dufty got his chance and guess what he did ok for a young kid, oh and i love your last comment "I prefer to continue supporting Nightingale until something better comes along " ......

You know, I am happy to continue this discussion but you have to get serious about it.
Most wingers tries in general are scored close to the line so when you keep referring to those magical 50 metre tries, they make up a very small percentage of all winger's tries scored.
As for Nightingale's defence, he is an expert right winger playing on the left to accommodate McDonald.
Sure he's been beaten on the outside a few time but by who? Ado Carr? Radradra?
They consistently do it to all their opponents so you can't just bury Nightingale's contribution by making broad brush statements about his defence.
I am glad you like my last comment because I mean it.
Why is it so difficult for us to recruit or promote some better backline players??
Dufty got his chance after 19 rounds when he could have been given a chance when Dugan was out for 5 weeks earlier in the season.
Even when McGregor chose Nightingale at fullback, he still didn't promote any of the youngsters on to the wing.
My point being that it's fine to spout promoting our development players but it's not happening in any meaningful sort of way.
I think we would be better served playing specialists in specialists positions.

 

[AyiosYiorgos]

You know, I am happy to continue this discussion but you have to get serious about it.
Most wingers tries in general are scored close to the line so when you keep referring to those magical 50 metre tries, they make up a very small percentage of all winger's tries scored.
As for Nightingale's defence, he is an expert right winger playing on the left to accommodate McDonald.
Sure he's been beaten on the outside a few time but by who? Ado Carr? Radradra?
They consistently do it to all their opponents so you can't just bury Nightingale's contribution by making broad brush statements about his defence.
I am glad you like my last comment because I mean it.
Why is it so difficult for us to recruit or promote some better backline players??
Dufty got his chance after 19 rounds when he could have been given a chance when Dugan was out for 5 weeks earlier in the season.
Even when McGregor chose Nightingale at fullback, he still didn't promote any of the youngsters on to the wing.
My point being that it's fine to spout promoting our development players but it's not happening in any meaningful sort of way.
I think we would be better served playing specialists in specialists positions.

mmmm Radradra just scored 100m try...He isnt accommodating Macdonald, he plays on the left, Nightingale moved over to the left when BMorris left & Macdonald now has to play on the right..
Yeah Dufty got his chance at R19, that's more an indictment of McIdiot and thats why he needs to go as well with Nightingale...The 2 try's scored by the wingers in the current game no way in hell would Nightingale have scored them... Anyway i don't really care as to why you think he should be in the team or what stat you pull out or what a great guy he is we should never have signed him for another year...

 

[coast_dragons]

Morris is done he won't come back and I wouldm't want him back either.

He got his wish to play with his brother and they both can stay away.

Nighty should have retired and when every winger runs around him to score he will know it to.

 

[MrDragon007]

Let's agree to disagree.
He's too slow, has been shown up too many times this year and we have better options imo.

Agree... Lets agree to disagree.

 

[jak]

nighty is still fast between the ears, but is it enough?

 

[Crush]

Morris is done he won't come back and I wouldm't want him back either.

He got his wish to play with his brother and they both can stay away.

Nighty should have retired and when every winger runs around him to score he will know it to.

What does nighty care if wingers run around him? He has another years salary to add to his retirement. Its the clubs fault for re-signing him. They should have said thanks but no thanks to an extension.
Not much point beating on Nighty now IMO. He will be our winger next year so I'll be cheering him on for one last year.

 

[sammythesaint]

What does nighty care if wingers run around him? He has another years salary to add to his retirement. Its the clubs fault for re-signing him. They should have said thanks but no thanks to an extension.
Not much point beating on Nighty now IMO. He will be our winger next year so I'll be cheering him on for one last year.

Should have Creepings philosophy, retire them one year too early!
If that happened, nighty would have retired 2 seasons back
I will still support nighty, but geeze, he may cost us a few games.....

 

[Qdf]

We know that Nightingale will only be around for one more year.
It's not like he is not performing - still scored 16 tries vs 6 for McDonald in 2017.
Then introduce the youngsters if there are injuries and permanently in 2019.

Yeah, thats not McDonald's faul.
McGregor is using him as an extra forward. Remember the airial tries he scored at the Titans,Widdop prefers going to McDonald's opposite side so he never gets a bomb come his way.Next year with one Benny boy Hunt ,Bombs away.Plus he had Hog no pass Duggan on his ,side of the field.He doesn't get used correctly. Thanks to McGregor...

 

[Mark D]

Would have him back in a heartbeat... We need his speed and experience.. Still one of the best wingers in the comp.... that big imposter Nene should go... Jason as much as I respect the bloke needs to work hard on his speed in the offseason or else is a risk