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Tonearm Terrorwrist

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What's the deal with United? Big players don't seem to want to stay there.

Wtf changed? Thought Rooney would be at United for the rest of his career.

Isn't his contract expiring at the end of next season? That would hurt his transfer value.
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They don't want to go there either.
 
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In regards to Mourinho succeeding Sir Alex, is that really a possibilty? If Jose's managerial career has shown anything, it's that he's someone who's not in there for the long haul.

Was at Leiria from 01-02, Porto from 02-04, Chelsea from 04-07, Inter from 08-10. Can't see him staying at Real for an extended period of time either.

I'd assume the next United manager would be given the funds to build his own team and the chance to build his own dynasty, something that Mourinho, thus far, hasn't shown any interest in doing.
 
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To be honest, all of this is pissing in the wind unless our ownership and debt situation is sorted. It'll only take one modest season where we miss the Champions League to have it all blow up in our face as has just happened to the scum.
 
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Ferguson rejects claims United lack ambition


Sir Alex Ferguson has defended Manchester United's status after Wayne Rooney cited the club's perceived lack of ambition as his main reason for wanting to leave.

United have been rocked by the news that talismanic striker Rooney is seeking pastures new, while they received a new blow on Wednesday when the England international revealed he did not believe the squad would be strong enough in future to contest for silverware, saying: "For me it's all about winning trophies."
Ferguson, who is set to meet with United chief executive David Gill on Thursday to discuss Rooney's claims and the player's future, rubbished the striker's assertions, claiming the club's young generation will carry it to more success and that he is contacted every week by agents of top players wanting to join the club.
Ferguson has seen big names exit the club previously, with Rooney set to follow the likes of Roy Keane, David Beckham and Cristiano Ronaldo out the Old Trafford exit door. Ferguson has been able to consistently reinvent the squad during his 24-year United tenure, always seeming to respond to questions about the end of United's dominant era with more silverware.
Rooney's departure will once again bring claims that United are set to struggle in the near future, with a feeling the club is struggling to manage its debts. United's failure to reinvest the £80 million earned by selling Ronaldo to Real Madrid could be seen as an example of Rooney's reasoning that the club lack the capability to stay at the top.
With the careers of United's world class stars Ryan Giggs, Paul Scholes, Edwin van der Sar and Rio Ferdinand winding down and now Rooney leaving, Ferguson was asked whether United were finally set for the fall he has defied time and again.
Speaking after his side's 1-0 Champions League win over Bursaspor, Ferguson said: "To maintain the success at any club is not a certainty. I always believe a four-year cycle is the most you can achieve. Very few teams can go beyond that. Last season we almost did it. We were one point short of winning the league.
"But we realised some time ago that Ryan Giggs, Paul Scholes and Gary Neville were not going to last forever. Therefore our policy is to develop footballers in the place.''
He then recounted a story from United's last period of relative decline after 2004, which involved Rooney himself, and included the departures of star names Keane and Ruud van Nistelrooy.
"A player said to me Wayne Rooney and Cristiano Ronaldo were not good enough and he wasn't prepared to wait,'' said Ferguson. "That is the problem with potential. People don't identify potential. We are very good at it. I have identified it all my life. I know potential. I know where it can be developed and how to develop it.
"I have faith in it. That is what this club is about. When you see Manchester United at the moment, with 14 players under 22, you don't see the Manchester United for years ahead. We will invest in signature players when the time is ready. We were not ready this summer.''
Apart from one exception, which is thought to be David Villa, who left Valencia for Barcelona.
"There was one player we would have liked to get, but he chose another club,'' said Ferguson. "Some players don't want to leave their country. But Manchester United is a big attraction for any player. In terms of the future of Manchester United, there are a lot of things in my favour. If I told you how many agents phoned me in a week, saying a player would love to play for us - and I am not just talking about run-of-the-mill players - it would amaze you.
"We still have that fantastic romance, and respect from everyone. But we will be OK. I have every confidence. The structure of the club is good. We have the right staff, the right manager, a brilliant chief executive. There is not a thing wrong with Manchester United. We will carry on.''


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Ridders said:
In regards to Mourinho succeeding Sir Alex, is that really a possibilty? If Jose's managerial career has shown anything, it's that he's someone who's not in there for the long haul.

Was at Leiria from 01-02, Porto from 02-04, Chelsea from 04-07, Inter from 08-10. Can't see him staying at Real for an extended period of time either.

I'd assume the next United manager would be given the funds to build his own team and the chance to build his own dynasty, something that Mourinho, thus far, hasn't shown any interest in doing.
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The next manager will be replacing Fergie. He won't get time to build a dynasty. The pressure to suceed will be huge and it would take a right arrogant sod to pull it off.

Out of all the managers in the World i think Jose is one of the few who could do it. The guy after that is the one who is there for the long haul. He would be the guy replacing the guy who replaced Fergie.


With regards to Rooney and United, we always sell players on. Stam, Beckham, Ronaldo etc. have all left for big money. None of them have been replaced by world superstars. Since Roman bought Chelsea we have not been able to compete for big money transfers in the UK, and whilst Real is funded by the Spanish government we have not been able to compete on a world scale. As Fergie said we make a big signing every so often when the time is right, next summer the timing looks right. Now Fergie has to go out and see what type of player he wants and go get him.

I forsee a switch back to the 4-3-3 that was so succesful for us. We need a fast winger to replace Giggs role in the squad to complement Nani and Valencia. Then give the wingers more license to attack.


As for Rooney he doesn't want to play for us. All the reasons he gave looked duff to me. Cya Judas. Thanks for the memories.


I like it when fans of other clubs laugh. This is about the 5th time Fergies reign is over and we are done. Remember 5 seasons ago when Jose was at Chelsea with Romans billions. We sold Ruud and who was going to score? Since then we have only won one Champs league and 3 league titles.
 
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The next manager will be replacing Fergie. He won't get time to build a dynasty. The pressure to suceed will be huge and it would take a right arrogant sod to pull it off.

Out of all the managers in the World i think Jose is one of the few who could do it. The guy after that is the one who is there for the long haul. He would be the guy replacing the guy who replaced Fergie.


With regards to Rooney and United, we always sell players on. Stam, Beckham, Ronaldo etc. have all left for big money. None of them have been replaced by world superstars. Since Roman bought Chelsea we have not been able to compete for big money transfers in the UK, and whilst Real is funded by the Spanish government we have not been able to compete on a world scale. As Fergie said we make a big signing every so often when the time is right, next summer the timing looks right. Now Fergie has to go out and see what type of player he wants and go get him.

I forsee a switch back to the 4-3-3 that was so succesful for us. We need a fast winger to replace Giggs role in the squad to complement Nani and Valencia. Then give the wingers more license to attack.


As for Rooney he doesn't want to play for us. All the reasons he gave looked duff to me. Cya Judas. Thanks for the memories.


I like it when fans of other clubs laugh. This is about the 5th time Fergies reign is over and we are done. Remember 5 seasons ago when Jose was at Chelsea with Romans billions. We sold Ruud and who was going to score? Since then we have only won one Champs league and 3 league titles.
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United make a "big" signing every so often when they become available in the UK at clubs who can't match high wage offers otherwise United miss out of the big time signings almost every time and the non capture of Ronaldinho still burns Fergie.

Mourinho is the only manager who could take over Fergie because the guy could attract world class talent to any club in any league in the world.
 
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United make a "big" signing every so often when they become available in the UK at clubs who can't match high wage offers otherwise United miss out of the big time signings almost every time and the non capture of Ronaldinho still burns Fergie.

Mourinho is the only manager who could take over Fergie because the guy could attract world class talent to any club in any league in the world.
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Yup, and i think we will do that again. I can imagine Fergie looking at Villas, Evertons, maybe Spurs squads with Gill at the moment.

We never buy big from Real, Barca, Ac etc.

We never have though. There is only really Veron who i can think off and he came from Lazio i think.

A bit like Bayern in Germany. They rarely buy big from outside Germany. Nothing wrong with that policy. Its a succesful one, for both sides.


Ronaldinho was down to Kenyon who let his ego and the fact he was leaving for Chelsea get in the way. But thats a different argument. The failure to sign Davids or Batistuta in the 90's would of annoyed him more, but i'm sure he is over it.


Mourinho will attract players yes, but i think its his sheer arrogance that will be his best asset. Can you replace the greatest manager in the game possibly ever? You know he will love that challenge.
 
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To be fair to United it does work though and it is far better to do that than what Real Madrid, Inter Milan and Chelsea do but for whatever reason when United are in the race they don't win, not sure why that is.

He will love the challenge but will he be able to do it without the usual high transfer activity? I wouldn't mind betting Mourinho's comment "call me" was so he can personaly tell Rooney to stay where he is and it will all be fixed when he turns up unless Rooney really values the Copa del Rey.

United need to replace Giggs, Scholes and Van Der Sar before they ponder replacing Rooney. Sell Rooney to Madrid and get Kaka in return then use some of the 80m to bring in Manuel Neuer who will be at the club for 15 years and bring in somebody like Gareth Bale to replace Giggs and it's done.
 
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Tonearm Terrorwrist said:
To be fair to United it does work though and it is far better to do that than what Real Madrid, Inter Milan and Chelsea do but for whatever reason when United are in the race they don't win, not sure why that is.

He will love the challenge but will he be able to do it without the usual high transfer activity? I wouldn't mind betting Mourinho's comment "call me" was so he can personaly tell Rooney to stay where he is and it will all be fixed when he turns up unless Rooney really values the Copa del Rey.

United need to replace Giggs, Scholes and Van Der Sar before they ponder replacing Rooney. Sell Rooney to Madrid and get Kaka in return then use some of the 80m to bring in Manuel Neuer who will be at the club for 15 years and bring in somebody like Gareth Bale to replace Giggs and it's done.
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As easy as that!! :D

I think Neuer will end up at OT. His name is mentioned a lot.

Bale would be nice but after last night when he got his hattrick his value may of gone up!!

The Elia fella from Hamburg looks alright, Sahin from Dortmund along side Fletch and Carrick in a three man mid would be very nice or Derdyok (shocking spelling i know) from Bayer.

If we went for one of them you know that Munich would also be linked in the papers, then the value goes up. Its just a game. The only player i think United missed out on recently was Benzema, but Madrid offered silly money and are now stuck with an unhappy player on 9 million a year.

Kaka would be nice, it would be a good move for him as well. Can't see it though, its a risk as he has never played in the prem and he would cost a lot in wages.

I always wondered why we don't buy from Germany more. Yes the standard is not quite as high but the game is a closer match than any other league. We buy from Holland though and the game there is really rubbish. Saying that we have been linked with Affeley (again the spelling??) from PSV.
 
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Vidic unhappy with Rooney


Manchester United captain Nemanja Vidic is unhappy with Wayne Rooney after his recent critical comments about the current side.
Rooney has made it clear that he wants to head for pastures new and, in a statement on Wednesday, claimed: "[David Gill] did not give me any of the assurances I was seeking about the future squad. I asked for assurances about the continued ability of the club to attract the top players in the world.
"For me it's all about winning trophies - as the club has always done under Sir Alex. Because of that I think the questions I was asking were justified."
It has been inferred that Rooney feels the current crop of players at Old Trafford are not up to scratch and his statement has irked the likes of Vidic and France international Patrice Evra.
"Rooney is going around and talking about the bad playing, or something happening around the club with the Glazers - it is not good for the players and not good for the team," Vidic told Sky Sports following the 1-0 win over Bursaspor.
Evra has insisted he has the utmost faith in the players around him. "If one player does not trust the other players, that player should not play," he said. "I am not like that as I trust everyone and I know we can win."
He added: "The situation with Wayne Rooney is for the boss, not for the players. We are just focused on winning games and bringing back the winning mentality.
"It's about doing the basics. Everyone talks about Manchester United but nobody has beaten us. The problem has been us - we have made some silly mistakes but teams have not been better than us. We have not been playing badly.
"The target for us is to win back the title and we are focused on doing that. I trust everyone so let's keep going. No team is better than us at the moment. You may think I'm crazy but I say it because it's true.
"Manchester belong at the top and I'm confident we can do that. We need to be professional. We need to perform - I don't like excuses about what's going on around the club. Everyone needs to focus on themselves."
Federico Macheda says he would be happier if Rooney stayed at the club.
"There would be more chances for me if Wayne wasn't here but it is better to have him in the squad," he said. "He is a good striker. The squad is stronger with him here."
He added: "We are capable of challenging for major trophies. We have a great squad. We work hard every day to win things."
United midfielder Michael Carrick has warned his team-mates not to get sidetracked by the furore surrounding Rooney.
"You have to distance yourself from it,'' he said. "You have no choice. Obviously, the player and the club are huge, not just in England but around the world. It is big news. But we can only control what happens out on the pitch. That is all we can be focussed on.''
However, he did concede the row had a strange effect on the crowd, even if it didn't alter the eventual outcome.
"It was a funny atmosphere,'' he said. "But we had a job to do. We needed to get a result that would put us in a better position for the group. Nothing changed in that respect. I certainly didn't see it as extra pressure. We have that anyway.''


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How do you pronounce Bebe?

I've always assumed it was pronounced the same way that Sgt Schultz, from Hogan's Heroes, would say the word "baby"
 
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