The Michael Hagan situation

[hineyrulz]

Well it is a no brainer, he should be sacked after next saturday's game. IMO Parramatta's worst coach since i have been watching Parra.

 

[Tin Man 4.24]

I voted to keep Hagan, but he needs to make some changes to our coaching and training staff.

Which should include removing himself as head coach.

 

[Hanscholo]

Do it sooner rather than later. I just dont think you want a coach there making decisions on retention and recruitment that cant be trusted to do it, in particluar if you allready know the said coach wont be there post 2009. They should just pay the bloke out, surely he cant be on that much,

 

[caylo]

How have 5 people voted to keep him?

Remember this is a poll about what we THINK should happen...

I'll chip in $20 towards his payout if the club allows me to negotiate the sacking with Hagan.
Send me a PM Fitzy - we'll get Hagan paid out for less than his full contract, and offer a 'temp' position to a young coach getting his first gig in the top grade.
In total it'll be the same money spent on coaching next year - and if it's more, I'll fundraise the difference....

We sack him, who takes over???
That is my main concern to be honest

 

[parra_jesus]

sack him! after next week's game . bring in anderson and left him pick up the pieces over the pre season and start fresh next year

 

[stuke]

Do it sooner rather than later. I just dont think you want a coach there making decisions on retention and recruitment that cant be trusted to do it, in particluar if you allready know the said coach wont be there post 2009. They should just pay the bloke out, surely he cant be on that much,

he won't have a say in recruitment and retention for 2010, just like Brian didn't have any in 2006. not that it would matter, Hagan can't recruit.

 

[would rather brian]

Michael has done a pretty good job, some tough periods this year

blooded and was persistant with some youngsters who will kill it next year eg keating, keating, paulo, burt, weller, tautai

a 5 year extension is not to bad an idea for mine imo

Blooded BURT???? :sarcasm:

 

[Fathead]

This is the problem!!!! players only want to play for successful clubs and if they do come to those clubs they perceive to be less than successful, it takes heaps of money. Thats why we broke the salary cap in the 90s and had a sh*te team.

if we dont address this situation now, can you imagine the mess we will be in after the 2009 season ????
Hindy, Hayne and Inu would have probably walked and we would be paying overs for a bunch of geniuss trying to salvage something for the future.

For example I know that Ben Hannant is on 125K at the Broncos at the moment. He is off to the dogs next year and will be on 350K PLUS living away from home allowance!!! Why ? Because the dogs are seen as unsuccessful and need to pay overs. Most players out there would probably PAY to play at the Broncos or the Storm, such is their success.

The lost revenue, the lost sponsorship and the lost of prestige in the brand will be much more in total cost than getting rid of Hages and that bone head of a defensive coach, Fairleigh.

Sometime hard decisions have to be made for the good of the club and the future.

 

[MrT]

This is the problem!!!! players only want to play for successful clubs and if they do come to those clubs they perceive to be less than successful, it takes heaps of money. Thats why we broke the salary cap in the 90s and had a sh*te team.

if we dont address this situation now, can you imagine the mess we will be in after the 2009 season ????
Hindy, Hayne and Inu would have probably walked and we would be paying overs for a bunch of geniuss trying to salvage something for the future.

For example I know that Ben Hannant is on 125K at the Broncos at the moment. He is off to the dogs next year and will be on 350K PLUS living away from home allowance!!! Why ? Because the dogs are seen as unsuccessful and need to pay overs. Most players out there would probably PAY to play at the Broncos or the Storm, such is their success.

The lost revenue, the lost sponsorship and the lost of prestige in the brand will be much more in total cost than getting rid of Hages and that bone head of a defensive coach, Fairleigh.

Sometime hard decisions have to be made for the good of the club and the future.

Have a nice surprise for you. Fairleigh is our Offence coach

 

[Fathead]

Have a nice surprise for you. Fairleigh is our Offence coach

Is that right ??? I thought he did defence. Who is our defensive coach then ?

 

[woddy]

sack him at season end with his coaching staff .......i don't care if joe the under 6's coach replaces him get rid of Hagan asap

 

[stuke]

If we can't afford to pay him out then get rid of the rest of the dead wood... Seems like there is plenty of dead wood floating around!

maybe by placing who they want to coach the team in 2010 as Hagan's assistant might force his hand.

 

[bartman]

With us not making the 8 this year, Hagan will be told in the off-season that his contract won't be extended beyong the end of 2009.

Once the club tells Hagan that his contract will not be extended, then like last time the club must start it's search/recruitment for the 2010 coach asap.

Whether Hagan "chucks a Smithy" and goes off the deep end, and then paints himself in an untenable position and chooses to leave the club early remains to be seen. If that occurred, the club would not be up for any additional money...

 

[eel01s]

As I understand it, the recent retrenchments mean we have lost our recruitment manager (!) and two marketing staff. Considering our recent performance in both areas, hardly seems a big loss, does it.

But, who is in charge of recruitment now? Also, why would Daniel Anderson even want to coach here after his brother was axed?

What strikes me about Parra's situation is that due to the Board's inability to provide alternate sources of income (yes MITS I am aware of the property developments) and increased sponsorship, these cost cutting measures will severely impact on our ability to sign quality players from other clubs. Dennis' only solution is to keep relying on our juniors (who in the main cannot seem to make to leap into first grade).

IMO the coaching and conditioning staff need to be all put on notice - we simply have to do better otherwise the club will not survive.

 

[oldmancraigy]

We sack him, who takes over???
That is my main concern to be honest

Rip Taylor?

Shane Flanagan?

Me?

Seriously - what difference does it make?

Hagan has proven time and again that he's a mediocre first grade coach who has no 'plan B' for any given game of footy. If plan A isn't working, there's some big trouble.
And he's too 'Mr Nice Guy' to have a go at the players for a lack of effort (after the St George/Illawarra game he says 'we're not far from where we want to be' - where is that Hages? The spoon :? )
And he's a lousy assessor of talent too.

So he just picks the same sort of player, won't take a chance (eg KK early in the season) and is slow to do cotton on when things aren't working (eg playing 2 or 3 props killed our season).

How much worse can it get?

If Hagan coaches us next season, we most likely won't make the 8 - so bringing in someone else (anyone else) can only be a good thing. Even if they are terrible and we get the spoon, we've only signed them for 1 year at low money for the sole purpose of dumping Hagan.
It sends a statement to the fans (us) that the club is serious about winning games of football.
It sends a statement to the players that the club thinks they are better than this season has shown
And it sends a statement to all future coaches that we're a professional organisation that wants to win.

We stick with Hagan, and the Bellamy's of the world will look at us as a club that celebrates mediocrity and will look elsewhere.

It'd be pretty easy to 'buy out' Hagan for next season for less than his contract value (say pay him 150k instead of 200). And then offer that 50k as a 1-year deal to a coach looking to make the jump to first grade coaching. It's about the opportunity, not the money.
Should they perform, a deal can be brokered during the season for the following years - should they fail, we lose nothing.


The big problem in all this is Inu, Mateo, Hayne, the Keating boys, Hauraki, Tautai, Tim Mannah etc. You make those guys suffer another year of Hagan and it will seriously stunt their development as 'winners'. They'll get taught that "we're not far from where we want to be" is good enough.

Hayne, Inu and Mateo are 3 of the most naturally gifted footballers in this competition, and they need someone who can teach them that only winning is good enough. I think it's plainly obvious that Hayne and Mateo have that fire in their bellies, it just needs some stoking. Hopefully Inu is the same.
Imagine if someone like Bellamy coached this squad - think about the Melbourne forwards and then think about Hauraki. You can't tell me Bellamy would struggle to groom him into a very decent first grader!

 

[MarkInTheStands]

As I understand it, the recent retrenchments mean we have lost our recruitment manager (!) and two marketing staff. Considering our recent performance in both areas, hardly seems a big loss, does it.

But, who is in charge of recruitment now? Also, why would Daniel Anderson even want to coach here after his brother was axed?

What strikes me about Parra's situation is that due to the Board's inability to provide alternate sources of income (yes MITS I am aware of the property developments) and increased sponsorship, these cost cutting measures will severely impact on our ability to sign quality players from other clubs. Dennis' only solution is to keep relying on our juniors (who in the main cannot seem to make to leap into first grade).

IMO the coaching and conditioning staff need to be all put on notice - we simply have to do better otherwise the club will not survive.

Yep the lack of increased sponsorship to negate the loss of funds from the Leagues club is a big problem.

Also I don't think we lost our Recruitment manager, I think we lost a talented bloke in turns of recruitment no doubt, but I am quite sure Rod Reddy is our Recruitment Manager.

As for Gur, I have heard tell that his rolls were being taken over by a few other people during last off season and he wasn't doing much at all this year, I have no proof of that, it is just what I have been hearing. As to Auntie Kay, I have been hearing tell she was ready to retire for almost 3 seasons now. Still not the best way to leave the club after so much loyal service. I wonder if the two marketing people were the 2 part timers at the club?

 

[MarkInTheStands]

It'd be pretty easy to 'buy out' Hagan for next season for less than his contract value (say pay him 150k instead of 200). And then offer that 50k as a 1-year deal to a coach looking to make the jump to first grade coaching. It's about the opportunity, not the money.
Should they perform, a deal can be brokered during the season for the following years - should they fail, we lose nothing.

I was just wondering, do you believe that Michael Hagan is on $200,000 a year?

I have news for you if you think so.

 

[Stagger eel]

As for Gur, I have heard tell that his rolls were being taken over by a few other people during last off season and he wasn't doing much at all this year, I have no proof of that, it is just what I have been hearing. As to Auntie Kay, I have been hearing tell she was ready to retire for almost 3 seasons now. Still not the best way to leave the club after so much loyal service. I wonder if the two marketing people were the 2 part timers at the club?

Robert Stone is currently doing the job on a part time basis until they decide what they do with it in the off season.

Stoney was doing the job before Gur was on board.

 

[spiderdan]

I was just wondering, do you believe that Michael Hagan is on $200,000 a year?

I have news for you if you think so.

i thought i read when we signed him that he was on around $300k a year.

i may be wrong though.

 

[MarkInTheStands]

i thought i read when we signed him that he was on around $300k a year.

i may be wrong though.

From the information I have been told from various sources on what it would cost to pay him out. . .

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