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The new rules. The new game. Has this actually created health risks?

R-15-3

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They have made it to fast, you don’t need to be creative or skilled to win games just get a roll on and that’s it.
I’d rather a slower game with more space.
Give them a massive 10meters and be super strict on it, don’t worry about speeding it up or 6 again and penalty non stop just give players plenty of space to show off their skills and be creative with plays. Is stop the clock when the balls out of play to make games longer and tire them out that way.
 

taipan

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Need breathing spaces, if that means 4 quarters to achieve that.Game too fast for players to regather thoughts and rush in to tackles creating more HIA.
Else back to old rules.Can't continue in the current vein.
Dr Taipan.
 

Marchad

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In the lower grades if a player suffers a concussion and is replaced by the 18th man. That player must have a 14 day break from playing.
So if the NRL brings in this policy. Is a NRL team willing to sacrifice a player for 1 or 2 games to try and get an advantage for one game.
 

Marchad

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In the lower grades if a player suffers a concussion and is replaced by the 18th man. That player must have a 14 day break from playing.
So if the NRL brings in this policy. Is a NRL team willing to sacrifice a player for 1 or 2 games to try and get an advantage for one game.
 

R-15-3

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Have the 18th man from outside your 30 man squad and can only be used as a sub once in the season. That way you won’t get teams exploiting it. And can only be used if 2 or more of the bench are ruled out for the game.
 

Tiger Shark

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In the lower grades if a player suffers a concussion and is replaced by the 18th man. That player must have a 14 day break from playing.
So if the NRL brings in this policy. Is a NRL team willing to sacrifice a player for 1 or 2 games to try and get an advantage for one game.

I don't think there should be any mandatory break if a player is ruled out due to a HIA. They undergo they same protocols they currently do.

If a player is ruled out they're ruled out. There needs to be some flexibility to allow an 18th man. Maybe it's when the bench is down to 2 players due to injury or HIA they come on.

If we lost any more players we would have been short men and we'd have been smashed, potentially f**king our F/A for the whole year.
 

Special K

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My understanding is the HIA test is a maths test. We have some dumb players. I wonder if they practice
 

Frenzy.

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What the powers that be need to realise it is fatigue is cumulative. It's not just about 1 game where bad luck happens, although that doesn't help. Fatigue probably starts in the off season, has a sharp escalation through the early rounds and compounds on a horror night like the Raiders and Sharks had.

Then there's the case of Curtis Scott playing on with what I heard is a displaced rib fracture. Too bad if that pierces a lung or liver huh? He couldn't go off they say, but he could have with a reshuffle. Forget the forward pass Sticky is covertly whinging about, they lost the game through an assault on a wounded soldier

I've already heard a Sharks injury from this year might be complicated by a co-morbid fatigue injury.
 

Frenzy.

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I don't think there should be any mandatory break if a player is ruled out due to a HIA. They undergo they same protocols they currently do.

If a player is ruled out they're ruled out. There needs to be some flexibility to allow an 18th man. Maybe it's when the bench is down to 2 players due to injury or HIA they come on.

If we lost any more players we would have been short men and we'd have been smashed, potentially f**king our F/A for the whole year.

Has to be only for HIAs. The potential root factor is high.

Would probably still get rorted eventually. The blood capsule might come back in.

The HIA confuses me. Being in Health I can well understand that a slight knock can give you a significant concussion and a smashed head can give you a headache at worst.

Take the weekend. Kennedy got a love tap from Gutho's boot. Didn't get knocked out. Was up pretty quick albeit with a minor wobbly. Sivo's head could have caused a 8.5 richter scale earthquake. Yet he was OK

Must be the maths thing Spec K mentioned.
 

Frenzy.

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That could be fixed by a scrum.

Yep. The desperate need to get rid of them has, or is in the process of, backfiring.

Maybe the clock should stop more. Give em all a helmet. Have 70 man squads. Bring back the shoulder pads. Sign Felix and Hayne (oops, not him)

Change the name of game.

I can see where this heads down the track. Thank Quigs I'll be long gone by then but I'll watch down (or up) and laugh
 

Frenzy.

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They have made it to fast, you don’t need to be creative or skilled to win games just get a roll on and that’s it.
I’d rather a slower game with more space.
Give them a massive 10meters and be super strict on it, don’t worry about speeding it up or 6 again and penalty non stop just give players plenty of space to show off their skills and be creative with plays. Is stop the clock when the balls out of play to make games longer and tire them out that way.

Actually they could go back to 5 metres at this speed. The 10 metre rule has been affected as well. A lot of blokes can't get back in time and then the line fragments and staggers all over the place. I think this is why flat play is back in vogue and some teams are not moving up anymore. Don't count Parra, they jumped the gun on every ruck.
 

Frenzy.

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So what would have happened if we had another player injured last night, would the game
Still continued.

Would they have stopped it if we had a player sent off?

Nope. Right throughout RLs history games have gone on when teams are reduced in numbers by send off or injuries. Was common before they brought in the 2 reserves. Then the 4 reserves. Then the interchange and all it's evolutions.
 

Chimp

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A couple of things from me - firstly, I’ve been saying for a while that I believe the shoulder charge ban has had an unintended consequence of causing more concussions for defenders. As players are no longer allowed to cock their shoulder to brace for impact, they have to wrap their arms - this opens up their head for initial point of contact if they get their timing slightly wrong. Whilst banning the shoulder charge has undoubtedly protected the ball carrier and eliminated some of the higher impact shoulder charges to the head, I think we have simply switched the balance of risk from the attacker to the defender. I have no actual stats to back this up, so accept I could be wrong, but would love to know the percentage split of concussions between attackers and defenders, as I’m pretty sure the vast majority are defenders.
Secondly, (I mentioned this on the NRL forum), I think if we’re going to introduce additional players to cover HIA, there has to be a consequence for using the extra players that discourages teams from rorting the system. The only way I can see it working is if you increase bench to 6 men, but you’re only allowed to use 4 of them. You can only access the 5th or 6th player if you have more than 2 players rubbed out (they can’t be used whilst off for testing, only once confirmed failed). Alongside this, any player failing their HIA should be required to sit out playing AND training for a minimum of 10 days - that shows we’re taking HIA and potential impacts serious (most other sports have a mandatory stand down period nowadays) and will stop teams thinking of tactically using the system as it means their down a minimum of 2 players for next week. Would 100% get rorted in the GF though.
 

Frenzy.

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A couple of things from me - firstly, I’ve been saying for a while that I believe the shoulder charge ban has had an unintended consequence of causing more concussions for defenders. As players are no longer allowed to c**k their shoulder to brace for impact, they have to wrap their arms - this opens up their head for initial point of contact if they get their timing slightly wrong. Whilst banning the shoulder charge has undoubtedly protected the ball carrier and eliminated some of the higher impact shoulder charges to the head, I think we have simply switched the balance of risk from the attacker to the defender. I have no actual stats to back this up, so accept I could be wrong, but would love to know the percentage split of concussions between attackers and defenders, as I’m pretty sure the vast majority are defenders.
Secondly, (I mentioned this on the NRL forum), I think if we’re going to introduce additional players to cover HIA, there has to be a consequence for using the extra players that discourages teams from rorting the system. The only way I can see it working is if you increase bench to 6 men, but you’re only allowed to use 4 of them. You can only access the 5th or 6th player if you have more than 2 players rubbed out (they can’t be used whilst off for testing, only once confirmed failed). Alongside this, any player failing their HIA should be required to sit out playing AND training for a minimum of 10 days - that shows we’re taking HIA and potential impacts serious (most other sports have a mandatory stand down period nowadays) and will stop teams thinking of tactically using the system as it means their down a minimum of 2 players for next week. Would 100% get rorted in the GF though.

Like nearly all of this except the 10 days thing. I'm pretty sure some would need 10 weeks. Like every disease state concussion is individual. an arbitrary number of days by the league won't protect everyone. I don't have a solution to that but do pay close attention to Cordner and the Roosters management closely.
 

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