The new rules. The new game. Has this actually created health risks?

[Miller was a legend]

In the lower grades if a player suffers a concussion and is replaced by the 18th man. That player must have a 14 day break from playing.
So if the NRL brings in this policy. Is a NRL team willing to sacrifice a player for 1 or 2 games to try and get an advantage for one game.

Only if it’s Chad?

 

[carinashark]

Two things, the NRL cannot admit they could have gone too far. See all those recent VLandys interviews loording the great man for changing the rules to make NRL more exciting.
Make all players wear head protection.

 

[Chimp]

Like nearly all of this except the 10 days thing. I'm pretty sure some would need 10 weeks. Like every disease state concussion is individual. an arbitrary number of days by the league won't protect everyone. I don't have a solution to that but do pay close attention to Cordner and the Roosters management closely.

Yeah, I guess the 10 days thing for me would be setting a minimum requirement (so could be more like Cordner) to stop any chance of another concussion in a short timescale and to act as a deterrent for teams rorting the system

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Make all players wear head protection.

Not sure if you’re being serious with this or being sarcastic, but it’s been proven that head protection offers zero protection against concussion, only protects against cuts etc from impact damage. Concussion is the brain rattling around inside the skull because of impact force - the headgear can’t stop this.

 

[BatteredFlake]

A couple of things from me - firstly, I’ve been saying for a while that I believe the shoulder charge ban has had an unintended consequence of causing more concussions for defenders. As players are no longer allowed to c**k their shoulder to brace for impact, they have to wrap their arms - this opens up their head for initial point of contact if they get their timing slightly wrong. Whilst banning the shoulder charge has undoubtedly protected the ball carrier and eliminated some of the higher impact shoulder charges to the head, I think we have simply switched the balance of risk from the attacker to the defender. I have no actual stats to back this up, so accept I could be wrong, but would love to know the percentage split of concussions between attackers and defenders, as I’m pretty sure the vast majority are defenders.
Secondly, (I mentioned this on the NRL forum), I think if we’re going to introduce additional players to cover HIA, there has to be a consequence for using the extra players that discourages teams from rorting the system. The only way I can see it working is if you increase bench to 6 men, but you’re only allowed to use 4 of them. You can only access the 5th or 6th player if you have more than 2 players rubbed out (they can’t be used whilst off for testing, only once confirmed failed). Alongside this, any player failing their HIA should be required to sit out playing AND training for a minimum of 10 days - that shows we’re taking HIA and potential impacts serious (most other sports have a mandatory stand down period nowadays) and will stop teams thinking of tactically using the system as it means their down a minimum of 2 players for next week. Would 100% get rorted in the GF though.

Very interesting and well worth looking into, given the current concern with head injuries. The shoulder charge has been banned for a few yrs (?) now so I would think there would be enough data for some statistically significant tests to see if there's any correlation between its banning and increase in defensive players head injuries . If NRL wants the game to continue without fear of massive litigation in future they really need to start monitoring some concerns closely , such as fatigue factor and speed of game ,etc.. I know there's a few in this forum with extensive experience playing , coaching and in the health field as well , so when they express concern about speed of game contributing to head injuries I tend to think there might be something to it .

 

[Frenzy.]

Two things, the NRL cannot admit they could have gone too far. See all those recent VLandys interviews loording the great man for changing the rules to make NRL more exciting.
Make all players wear head protection.

Why? The NFL players wear frikkin helmets and still get a lot concussions. Headgear is a thing that's in vogue because mothers demanded it.

Chimp 100% correct on the ineffectivesness of scrum caps

 

[Quicksilver]

I’ve heard these studies mentioned a million times, but I’ve never really looked in to it. I wonder how rigorous the tests have been in relation to the soft style Rugby headgear?

Having worn one and not worn one, I can say that the brain always feels less hurt after wearing one.

I feel like it has to do something, even if minor. I mean, bike and snowboard helmets supposedly work...

 

[Frenzy.]

I’ve heard these studies mentioned a million times, but I’ve never really looked in to it. I wonder how rigorous the tests have been in relation to the soft style Rugby headgear?

Having worn one and not worn one, I can say that the brain always feels less hurt after wearing one.

I feel like it has to do something, even if minor. I mean, bike and snowboard helmets supposedly work...

I think it's psychiatric QS.

Ooops! I meant psychological.

Headgears are no better than foam inserts in old footy shorts.

 

[txta2]

I think Vlandys has really dropped the ball trying to speed up the game. I don't think watching teams get flogged every second game is the way to go.

 

[Quigs]

I think Vlandys has really dropped the ball trying to speed up the game. I don't think watching teams get flogged every second game is the way to go.

Just imagine what it is going to be like near the end of the season.

 

[Frenzy.]

Just imagine what it is going to be like near the end of the season.

It'll be a try bonanza Quigs! A TRY BONANZA. 20 per game, in a tight one!!

 

[Quigs]

It'll be a try bonanza Quigs! A TRY BONANZA. 20 per game, in a tight one!!

Don't think there will be a lot of tight ones.

What I do see is a couple of hard heads in dead end teams putting on a few cheap shots here and there just to get a few weeks off. A sort of 'f**k ém' and 'f**k that' kind of attitude.

 

[Frenzy.]

Don't think there will be a lot of tight ones.

What I do see is a couple of hard heads in dead end teams putting on a few cheap shots here and there just to get a few weeks off. A sort of 'f**k ém' and 'f**k that' kind of attitude.

Well that's OK. We all want the biff brought back don't we?

 

[jc155776]

Wearing head gear might leave your head feeling better as you avoid a lot of scrapes, maybe some impact bruising and superficial injuries.

won’t do shit for concussion.

 

[carinashark]

Why? The NFL players wear frikkin helmets and still get a lot concussions. Headgear is a thing that's in vogue because mothers demanded it.

Chimp 100% correct on the ineffectivesness of scrum caps

Proven Neanderthal. Most of your posts a pretty good but your wrong on this one.

 

[Frenzy.]

Proven Neanderthal. Most of your posts a pretty good but your wrong on this one.

No, I'm not. Also, I'm Cro Magnon by the way. Hate those Neanderthals. Stole my dinosaurs

 

[BatteredFlake]

No, I'm not. Also, I'm Cro Magnon by the way. Hate those Neanderthals. Stole my dinosaurs

Yeah I know about the bouncing the brain around in the cerebral fluid stuff or whatever .Normally I hate the individual observation over statistical evidence but when it comes to someones brain, as in someone whose life is not over even after his nrl career is over and whose family may want a cognitive personality of himself after said career, I think the slightest protection is worth considering . I know Steve renouf was concussed at 13 or 14 or something and woke up night after, went outside , caused a ruckus , tackled his dad who came to investigate . He was told to wear head gear if he wanted to continue playing and he did.Dont know if theres any statistics to say head gear is detrimental.... like a lot of ppe it probably takes a bit of getting used to. Also I doubt there has been sufficient statistical analysis of data ,the sample size ,etc that says head gear is not at least partially effective. We have far more statistics and data "proving climate change is man made and will be detrimental to all mankind" So I suspect the resistance is more of the same ,dogmatic resistance to change regardless of evidence.

 

[carinashark]

Now how difficult would it be to design better head protection? We should design our own ,then market it.
It only comes in blue black and white stripes.

 

[Quicksilver]

Now how difficult would it be to design better head protection? We should design our own ,then market it.
It only comes in blue black and white stripes.

I think a jester hat would work

 

[BatteredFlake]

I think a jester hat would work

Maybe Something that would also protect from Alien influences , Right wing or Left Wing conspiracies Etc . Where's Feej BTW ???? Im sure he would be keen to get his research and development staff on to a suitable design and have his Factories punching out supplies in no time at all!

 

[Quigs]