The off contract thread 2025

[strider]

At 22 it is safe to expect Dylan Brown still has some substantial improvement.

Munster is on 1m and Cleary is on 1.2m - going off that anything more than 1m for Moses would be considered overs?

Why would he and his manager be entitled to more?

Cos the cap went up and they had the sense to wait for it

You cant just compare and say X needs more money than Y cos he is better ... salaries are about timing too

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

You're thinking of comedy.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Well we have one of both which is why I think they complement each other

I agree but I would say Moses was an instinctive player who has learnt to manage the game plan.

 

[strider]

You're thinking of comedy.

Salary negotiations are no laughing matter

 

[yy_cheng]

Is moses really a game manager. Take out his kicking and i dint really think so. Definitely not a thurston, cronk, Cleary, sterlo type player
Dyl actually plays a lot of 1st receiver from the hooker or lock.

The game manager is mainly the hooker. Hodgo will manage the game for us and the halves are our attack and kickers

 

[Cloeel]

Cos the cap went up and they had the sense to wait for it

You cant just compare and say X needs more money than Y cos he is better ... salaries are about timing too

The cap goes up but so does every other players income proportionally.

You don't think that Cleary and Munster took the cap increase into consideration when they signed there deals?

Why would Moses deserve more at Parra than the 2 best halves in the game do at their respective clubs? We are runners up last season so its not like we have similar leverage (or lack of) to that of the Tigers and Bulldogs.

What has happened that makes timing a factor for Parra to have to pay Moses potentially more than what the 2 most successful halves in the game get paid? It's not like the NRL clubs were blind sided by this sudden cap increase...

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Is moses really a game manager. Take out his kicking and i dint really think so. Definitely not a thurston, cronk, Cleary, sterlo type player
Dyl actually plays a lot of 1st receiver from the hooker or lock.

The game manager is mainly the hooker. Hodgo will manage the game for us and the halves are our attack and kickers

‘Game management’ Is a fairly vague term that seems to mean different things to different people. I know in NRL land the last play of a set (generally the kick) is considered the most important, and the success of that play depends a lot on the preceding play-the-ball. This all requires a level of organisation that can be made harder or easier based on the complexity of the game plan. What this means is that coaches can account for the lack of such organising players in their team.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

The cap goes up but so does every other players income proportionally.

You don't think that Cleary and Munster took the cap increase into consideration when they signed there deals?

Why would Moses deserve more at Parra than the 2 best halves in the game do at their respective clubs? We are runners up last season so its not like we have similar leverage (or lack of) to that of the Tigers and Bulldogs.

What has happened that makes timing a factor for Parra to have to pay Moses potentially more than what the 2 most successful halves in the game get paid? It's not like the NRL clubs were blind sided by this sudden cap increase...

I believe the NRLPA was surprised at its magnitude.

 

[yy_cheng]

The cap goes up but so does every other players income proportionally.

You don't think that Cleary and Munster took the cap increase into consideration when they signed there deals?

Why would Moses deserve more at Parra than the 2 best halves in the game do at their respective clubs? We are runners up last season so its not like we have similar leverage (or lack of) to that of the Tigers and Bulldogs.

What has happened that makes timing a factor for Parra to have to pay Moses potentially more than what the 2 most successful halves in the game get paid? It's not like the NRL clubs were blind sided by this sudden cap increase...

Isn't that just market forces? As pou said, it's the value and worth to who needs his service.

There was an article that said we couldve got Moses cheap earlier in the season but we chose to wait.

Now he's the best half left on the market with an option in his favour. So he could get more than cleary.

And then it goes down to the chances for us to win a premiership without him especially as the superstars in the pack is ageing

 

[yy_cheng]

‘Game management’ Is a fairly vague term that seems to mean different things to different people. I know in NRL land the last play of a set (generally the kick) is considered the most important, and the success of that play depends a lot on the preceding play-the-ball. This all requires a level of organisation that can be made harder or easier based on the complexity of the game plan. What this means is that coaches can account for the lack of such organising players in their team.

But usually 4 of the 6 plays in the set is controlled by the hooker unless u are in an attacking position
For mine, the halves controls the attack and the last play. The hooker controls general play. The captain, and for us its guth, takes the troops and push them to keep going.

So it is shared amongst many unless your half is like a cronk, Thurston, cleary, sterlo which i think Moses is far from

 

[Cloeel]

Isn't that just market forces? As pou said, it's the value and worth to who needs his service.

There was an article that said we couldve got Moses cheap earlier in the season but we chose to wait.

Now he's the best half left on the market with an option in his favour. So he could get more than cleary.

And then it goes down to the chances for us to win a premiership without him especially as the superstars in the pack is ageing

Both Munster and Cleary could've been the best halves on the market; had they chosen to go to market.

Or were Cleary and Munster not aware of there value?

 

[yy_cheng]

Both Munster and Cleary could've been the best halves on the market; had they chosen to go to market.

Or were Cleary and Munster not aware of there value?

They wanted success i guess for a long period and staying where they were was the better option. And of course family and lifestyle

It again goes back to timing. Yes, those 2 were the best on the market but they no longer are and Moses is.

That option he has puts him in a great bargaining position as it will for dyl when the time comes

 

[Cloeel]

I believe the NRLPA was surprised at its magnitude.

What percentage of the cap increase (proportionally) goes to your top players?

Minimum wage salaries almost doubled (from memory) as part of the new agreement (I could be wrong).

As far as the Storm and Panthers are concerned - no more than 1m and 1.2m is being paid for there best player.

 

[Noise]

But usually 4 of the 6 plays in the set is controlled by the hooker unless u are in an attacking position
For mine, the halves controls the attack and the last play. The hooker controls general play. The captain, and for us its guth, takes the troops and push them to keep going.

So it is shared amongst many unless your half is like a cronk, Thurston, cleary, sterlo which i think Moses is far from

Depends on the 9. I don’t think Mahoney was controlling most of our plays. Hodgson might this year.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

What percentage of the cap increase (proportionally) goes to your top players?

I would say most of it.

Minimum wage salaries almost doubled (from memory) as part of the new agreement (I could be wrong).

I believe so, and it’s a good move for the game, but I’d say the only salaries that would be affected by a rise in the minimum would be the salaries that would otherwise be less than minimum.

These are merkins who ideally never play. So they are just insurance against an unusually high number of unavailable players higher in the squad. The clubs (and the star players) would prefer the merkins at the bottom get as little as possible.

As far as the Storm and Panthers are concerned - no more than 1m and 1.2m is being paid for their best player.

Well we don’t really know what they’re getting, but also TPAs (including paying a player’s dad outside the salary cap) skew the figures significantly.

 

[yy_cheng]

Depends on the 9. I don’t think Mahoney was controlling most of our plays. Hodgson might this year.

And i actually prefer this. Hopefully he stays fit.

Wish we had a pj marsh who could ramp up the speed when he comes on but we don't

Leave dyl and Moses to attack. Josh to guide the team around the park.

In the opposition zone, Josh can deceive the defence so we can gain overlaps out wide or at least make the opposing 2nd rower hesitate

 

[Twizzle]

Is moses really a game manager. Take out his kicking and i dint really think so.

why stop there ?

take away some of his other abilities and you have nothing left, but why would you do that ?

 

[strider]

The cap goes up but so does every other players income proportionally.

You don't think that Cleary and Munster took the cap increase into consideration when they signed there deals?

Why would Moses deserve more at Parra than the 2 best halves in the game do at their respective clubs? We are runners up last season so its not like we have similar leverage (or lack of) to that of the Tigers and Bulldogs.

What has happened that makes timing a factor for Parra to have to pay Moses potentially more than what the 2 most successful halves in the game get paid? It's not like the NRL clubs were blind sided by this sudden cap increase...

I think the timing could score a player maybe several 100k more over the contract .... its at least something a manager will try to manipulate

 

[Cloeel]

‘Game management’ Is a fairly vague term that seems to mean different things to different people. I know in NRL land the last play of a set (generally the kick) is considered the most important, and the success of that play depends a lot on the preceding play-the-ball. This all requires a level of organisation that can be made harder or easier based on the complexity of the game plan. What this means is that coaches can account for the lack of such organising players in their team.

This scenario is where Josh Hodgson is going to be pivotal for us.

Reed Mahoney was limited in this area.

The communication/chemistry between Hodgson and Moses is pinnacle for our success next season.

In fact Eels, Panthers and Roosters all have new 7 & 9 combinations for the upcoming season. No doubt the most communicative combination will correlate with the over all teams success.

 

[Cloeel]

I think the timing could score a player maybe several 100k more over the contract .... its at least something a manager will try to manipulate

That is true. Which plays into the Clubs desperation.

It all comes down to who has more leverage. At this point in time Parra probably has the leverage over Moses.

If Parra did not have the upper hand - Moses would have signed elsewhere by now.