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Magpies Forever

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We might actually have a chance of getting at least 1 of the 2 younger Burgess boys currently at Souths. They'd want to progress and the Souths pack is going too well for them to have much chance there no matter how well big brother Sam is going for Souths.

WT and previously Wests and Balmain have done pretty well with English forward players.
 
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WT and previously Wests and Balmain have done pretty well with English forward players
I have been thinking about this in recent weeks, Potter must have seen something in some forward he coached who he believes would make it in the NRL. Or at least hold his own, can tackle all night and would be better than A, B and or C who is running around now for the West Tigers.

We might actually have a chance of getting at least 1 of the 2 younger Burgess boys currently at Souths

I also recall reading that Tom Burgess played for Bradford Bulls and was coached by 1, M. Potter.
 

madunit

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I agree with keeping Ayshford in the mix but I'm doubtful about Lawrence. MU- What do you see in the post injury Lawrence that gives you the confidence to retain him? Pre injury would not be an issue, we'd keep Lawrence in a heart beat. Now, I just don't know.

It's not his injury.

Its our pissweak forwards and our unstable halves.

We have no go forward and no organisation or combinations being created from the halves.

That means neither Ayshford, Lawrence, reddy, Simona, anyone, has been able to look at all impressive in the centres since the start of 2012.

If we had a backrow with some starch and a permanent halves combination, you will see them improve rapidly.

After 2 games this year we saw Ayshford's game pick up and kept improving.

Then Miller got dropped, Ayshford saw less quality ball and his form stopped improving.

Lawrence needs to have Benji with space space, which will allow Benji to create good opportunities for Lawrence.

Ayshford needs a halfback to get him quality ball, It's no surprise that when when we have a stable halfback, Ayshford plays well.

Ayshford and Lawrence's form is linked directly to our pathetic back row.

Both of them have also been forced to cover their inside men defensively as well, because they just aren't good enough, which has seen both of them forced to stay back longer just in case they have to make covering tackles.

They may not be looking defensively strong, but when you are constantly in a situation where your defence is contracted, edge forward defenders are poor and slide slowly, you will always end up isolating your centres.

The only solution to this is to have your wingers rush up and in to shut down the attacking centre/link man the second he gets the ball to prevent the attacking side from getting outside the Tigers defenders.

We don't need ball playing back rowers, we want blokes who will do 10 hit ups'a game each as a bare minimum and are capable of making strong 1 on 1 tackles.

Instead we have a centre and a five-eighth joining Liam Fulton.

It's just not good enough.

teams will just continue to run at the fringes of our ruck, Souths exploited it on Friday night, the barely ran in the middle of the field. They were the first time to direct their big guys at our back row, because it's the first time that neither Woods or Farah had huge tackle counts.

You can see where every other team will be directing their play now too.
 

moller

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I take your points re: the fwds and halves, but Lawrence's decline is 110% related to his injury. He's worlds away from where he was physically.
 

Magpies Forever

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Thanks MU. Fair enough, I take your points on the structure of the side and the problems it is causing both centres and agree with the thrust of your argument but I also feel there is something not right with Lawrence. Hope I'm wrong and he can recover with better players around him.
 

madunit

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I take your points re: the fwds and halves, but Lawrence's decline is 110% related to his injury. He's worlds away from where he was physically.

He played pretty damn good footy after he returned from the injury, which saw him picked in the test side.

It's hard for me to accept it's the injury at fault when his performances improved after returning from the injury before dropping off over the following offseason when the injury had even more time to heal if there were any issues with it still.
 

moller

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Not the way I remember it.
He came back towards the end of 2011 and very much looked half fit for a couple of games before doing his hamstring (no doubt related to the hip injury). Came back for the Warriors semi game and again looked half fit and lacking sharpness.
Played for Australia as he was next cab off the rank prior to his injury (based upon form from 09 til his hip injury in 11), and there were about 35 other centres ruled out, not to mention Sheens was the coach.

He was one of the most explosive hole runners in the competition prior to going down, and yet he can barely break a tackle nowadays.
 
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