The Prince thing

[perverse]

And yet you continue to be aggressive and attack mr perverse,lol.

Personally,I don't think the form is that different - The difference is the team and how each is going.
Like I have said I would like to see how Prince would go in a losing side or struggling side and to gauge what he would pull out.

queensland wouldn't be a losing side. i don't see the relevance.

 

[lockyno1]

what ? did you just say cronk or pj marsh was a better halfback then prince?

pj marsh has no utility value. hes a hooker thats it. and if you say hes a halfback.... well lets put it this way. hes about as good a halfback as michael ennis.

No I said they offer better utility value than Scott Prince. Both have played hooker before (cronk did when he made his debut), and both have played in the halves. It helps and I do not think we need a extra "halfback" on the bench as frankly it is a waste of a spot. You either are in the no7 jersey or not in the side. The other two (PJ and Cronk) have played a few positions.

 

[Shorty]

Payne would have been my pick at the start of the year but he is horribly out of form. And I think PJ covers more positions- 5/8, halfback whereas Payne is a specialist hooker and I am not sure we need a specialist extra 9 with Smith at 9.

Yeah Payne will eventually probably have a spot on the bench but PJ Marsh is playing much much better footy.

 

[hellteam]

No I said they offer better utility value than Scott Prince. Both have played hooker before (cronk did when he made his debut), and both have played in the halves. It helps and I do not think we need a extra "halfback" on the bench as frankly it is a waste of a spot. You either are in the no7 jersey or not in the side. The other two (PJ and Cronk) have played a few positions.

yeah i see where you're coming from. i was always like that with matty bowen in the previous years, he was either the no 1 or not in the team, but i dunno. i actually think scott prince is a better club player then thurston, but thurston is more suited to origin because of his defence etc.

but i cant really see any value in putting pretty much a specialist hooker (pj marsh) on the bench. cam smith can play the whole game

 

[lockyno1]

yeah i see where you're coming from. i was always like that with matty bowen in the previous years, he was either the no 1 or not in the team, but i dunno. i actually think scott prince is a better club player then thurston, but thurston is more suited to origin because of his defence etc.

but i cant really see any value in putting pretty much a specialist hooker (pj marsh) on the bench. cam smith can play the whole game

Well putting Bowen on the bench didn't work. Exactly why I don't like specialist utilities- a specialist fullback was stupid enough. As for your thing about a extra hooker, well you are stuffed if your hooker goes down as most plays go from there. It is much better having someone in reserve in case of injury. Expecting Smith to play 80 in every origin is a bit over the top as well.

 

[lockyno1]

Yeah Payne will eventually probably have a spot on the bench but PJ Marsh is playing much much better footy.

Who knows though, Cowboys getting into some form and it is a good month till Origin anyway.

 

[icewind]

well it doesnt look like lockyer will be getting much game time in the lead up to game one so you might need someone to cover for him. we will really miss shaun berrigan i think. prince could also back up for hooker more then capably if cam smith was to get injured. i really would like to see prince and thurston play an origin together without lockyer

If Lockyer is that bad when origin 1 comes, that he needs someone to cover him, then he shouldn't play. Lockyer needs to be 100% fit imo.

Anyway, if anyone can cover him, it would be Smith from Hooker to halfback, thurston to 5/8 and PJ marsh to hooker. Far more versatile, I think he could be used in a similar way to Berrigan ie second row.

I'm a huge fan of Prince atm, but it has to be starting or none.

 

[icewind]

Who knows though, Cowboys getting into some form and it is a good month till Origin anyway.

Marsh is a much much better defender.

 

[lockyno1]

Marsh is a much much better defender.

Agreed, depends what sort of utility you want though and whether club combinations come into it.

 

[Johns Magic]

A lot of debate has been made about Scott Prince's form over the last few weeks and whether it warrants his representative selection. Of course, it has me genuinely excited as both a Queensland and Australian supporter, as competition for spots is always healthy.

In the instance that Lockyer is healthy and is picked at 6 for these two teams, with Thurston remaining at 7, then surely Scott Prince deserves a spot on the bench. How could this suggestion be possibly argued against? In terms of Aus selection, I believe that Bird deserves to keep his spot, and he should start in the 13. No others really can compete with Prince's form at the moment.

The case has been made, it now remains to be seen whether the Qld and Aus selectors will make the correct decision.

I was thinking the same thing to be honest. Cronk is another one in such great form for halfback. Also, assuming the selectors stick with Hunt at fullback, Slater demands a bench spot too. I think PJ Marsh has been dynamite leading the Broncos around this year as well.

14.Slater
15. Cronk
16. Marsh
17. Prince

Yep, I reckon that bench would handle the rigorous physicality of Origin perfectly.

 

[OVP]

LOL Yeah,like I'm insecure:roll:
I just find it amusing that you seem to think we'd be any less of a football team without prince on the side.
We didn't seem to do too bad last year,or the year before last...


Oh please.
Oh I'm immature,yet I'm still able to string an argument together without using attacks:roll:

Just tell him that Buderus sucks, Shorty ... you'll soon see the waterworks :lol:

 

[perverse]

Just tell him that Buderus sucks, Shorty ... you'll soon see the waterworks :lol:

hohoho, you sure got me good there.

 

[Shorty]

Well putting Bowen on the bench didn't work.

Yeah cause coming off the bench with 5 minutes to go really showed how much of a nuffy he is:roll:
He touched the ball like what,3 times?

If Hunt has to be at fullback then Billy should be where Bowen was and utilised properly.

 

[adamkungl]

assuming no lokcyer

aus
6 Anasta
7 Prince or Thurston, either one works for me

qld
6 Thurston
7 Prince

 

[Big Pete]

Yeah cause coming off the bench with 5 minutes to go really showed how much of a nuffy he is:roll:
He touched the ball like what,3 times?

If Hunt has to be at fullback then Billy should be where Bowen was and utilised properly.

5 minutes? What Origin game were you watching last year?

Bowen had 60 minutes and couldn't come up with anything.

 

[lockyno1]

Yeah cause coming off the bench with 5 minutes to go really showed how much of a nuffy he is:roll:
He touched the ball like what,3 times?

If Hunt has to be at fullback then Billy should be where Bowen was and utilised properly.

No but it showed that he isn't a utility and I do not believe in movinga fullback just for the sake of it. And in Game 3, Bowen played more than 5 minutes. I rather Slater as a utility as he can effectively play wing and probably centre.

 

[lockyno1]

assuming no lokcyer

aus
6 Anasta
7 Prince or Thurston, either one works for me

qld
6 Thurston
7 Prince

If Lockyer is out, I expect Inglis to be 5/8 for QLD, as frankly I'd be concerned over the defence with Thurston and Prince in the side, Inglis is a better defender and just as good in attack.

 

[Shorty]

No but it showed that he isn't a utility and I do not believe in movinga fullback just for the sake of it.

But it's been done over and over and hasn't exactly failed.

And in Game 3, Bowen played more than 5 minutes. I rather Slater as a utility as he can effectively play wing and probably centre.

It sure felt like it,Bowen wasn't utilised properly at all.

 

[lockyno1]

But it's been done over and over and hasn't exactly failed.

It sure felt like it,Bowen wasn't utilised properly at all.

No he didn't get involved enough, simple as that. Thankfully he won't be in the picture this year and I can deal with Slater being a option as he offers more in Origin than Bowen does.

Just because switching a fullback has worked, it should only happen in the starting lineup. No specialist fullbacks on the bench!

 

[Nightward]

The correct answer is:

6. Thurston (he plays better at 5/8th any way and only switched to halfback to sidestep Lockyer's stranglehold on the jersey)
7. Prince
14. Stagg

Stagg has played second-row, prop, centre, winger, and 5/8th. He's in good form and has played Origin before. Cameron Smith is more than up to 80 minutes of Origin, especially with the rest of the Queensland team to stand up to the blowtorch.