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The Roosters are woeful

gUt

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Q: Why did the Rooster cross the road?
A: Penalty to the other side!
 
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Hanscholo

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Brian Smith.

Our current predicament is directly related to his legacy. Easts look like we did under him in his last years. Players to scared to chance their arm - players wanting to leave - players playing like shot ducks. I wonder how much of Carney's crap 2010 was due to Brian Smith?

And yet when he was in Newcastle, they played a really nice style of football. It wasnt a success really, but they attacked like mad. Strange.
 

Big Pete

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Problem is our management has been making this same "young side, rebuilding year" speech every season since 2005 without ever actually delivering on it.


Most teams in the NRL are young these days. Ours is the youngest, sure, but youth is not hte problem. The most diabolical spine in the league is

Key difference is your side tried to buy itself out of trouble, relying more on players like Roberts, Monaghan, Firman, Anasta, Harrison, Myles, Mason, O'Meley etc. etc. instead of developing your own generation of juniors. Yes, they blooded players in 04-05 but not to the extent you're seeing right now.

Since O'Sullivan has joined, the Roosters junior recruitment has been among the best in the NRL & they're continually making good signings.

Yes, your fullback and five eigth are both hacks and both (not just one) should be given a tap on the shoulder but I suspect by 2014 they won't be a problem.

Backline is another big issue. You really need a specialist centre who can stay on the field.

However, from what I've seen, the biggest problem truly is their youth. Like a lot of young sides, the Roosters seem to be a confidence side that lacks leadership & inspiration. It's how they've been since 2010 except back then you had Carney's form rubbing off on players.
 

Danish

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I agree that O'Sullivan has made some very astute purchases for our junior ranks since signing on, however to me getting all these super talented youngsters who may or may not kick on is nowhere near enough.

In my view, we need to recruit a captain. An established old head from another club who is willing to guide the youth we have into reaching their potential. We need a Thaiday, Lewis or Gallen type character that the kids look up to and want to play for. Right now this role is being filled with the likes of Mini and bloody Anasta.

The broncos are a classic example of building a young side of talent but being smart enough to build it around a foundation of some old nuts (Thaiday, Parker, Hodges, Petro) who would keep them all in check and on track. Next year we will have basically only Mini to play this role, who will be lucky to not be pushed to the wing by mid season when another young prospect in RTS makes his inevitable debut in first grade.
 
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Key difference is your side tried to buy itself out of trouble, relying more on players like Roberts, Monaghan, Firman, Anasta, Harrison, Myles, Mason, O'Meley etc. etc. instead of developing your own generation of juniors. Yes, they blooded players in 04-05 but not to the extent you're seeing right now.

Like who? Lewis? Lelea Paea? Foley? Tevita Metuisela? McConkie what's-his-name? :lol: Hardly any of our 2004 Flegg team were first grade standard and most of the premier league team had their shot in the next few years and were not up to it. Danny Williams was a so called superstar that we let go to the Bulldogs from PL and The Wall went in to meltdown and 12 months later nobody could remember who he was. Luke Towers in 2009 was Clive Churchill and was going to save our season, now he players reserve grade in France or some shit. So besides James Tamou who was let go for other reasons what young players did we let go that we should have developed that didn't play first grade? When we have so many players including one of the greatest players of all time leave within 2 seasons what was the club do? They signed players to sustain a decade of being one of the better teams because the lower grades were full of reserve grade players and nothing more.

Shillington got paid a shit load of cash to play for the Faiders. Ben Hannant left because he had a whinge. James Tamou was let go because off field behaviour issues. Soward was let go because he wasn't prepared to stick it out.

What recruitment has O'Sullivan made that makes him amongst the best? Leilua, Linnett, Tasi and JWH were already playing well in the NYC for other clubs, any recruitment officer/scout whatever who pays attention could have seen that. Cordner is probably the best because his brother was seen as the better player but we signed both anyway. Tautau Moga and Kane Evans and then who else? Aiden Guerra's potential was already on show like the NYC players.

Sonny Tuigamala, Sisa Waqa, Stanley Waqa, Steve Naughton, Jordan Tansey, JP Du Plessis were all massive fails and so has Peni Tagivue.

He signed Roger Tuivasa Sheck, a player who reportedly had EVERY club chasing him lol masterstroke signing the kid that a lot of other clubs want.

I actually do not know but did O'Sullivan have anything to do with signing Lloyd Perrett? The behemoth prop who played in our SG ball team scoring 5 tries in one game now at the Bulldogs? Yes that's a great idea to have a recruitment manager focusing on signing young kids in the HM's and SG Ball so that they get older and go to other clubs lol well done Peter.

Need to sign more Toyota Cup players from Manly...

Then Manly can sign half our team like they did in '82
 

Big Pete

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I agree that O'Sullivan has made some very astute purchases for our junior ranks since signing on, however to me getting all these super talented youngsters who may or may not kick on is nowhere near enough.

In my view, we need to recruit a captain. An established old head from another club who is willing to guide the youth we have into reaching their potential. We need a Thaiday, Lewis or Gallen type character that the kids look up to and want to play for. Right now this role is being filled with the likes of Mini and bloody Anasta.

The broncos are a classic example of building a young side of talent but being smart enough to build it around a foundation of some old nuts (Thaiday, Parker, Hodges, Petro) who would keep them all in check and on track. Next year we will have basically only Mini to play this role, who will be lucky to not be pushed to the wing by mid season when another young prospect in RTS makes his inevitable debut in first grade.

I agree that's where you should concentrate next but building a squad of young players to build on was certainly a step in the right direction after the fall out of 06-08.

TT - Can't make an omelette without breaking eggs. Not every junior you're going to sign is going to make first grade, just look at Williamson but for every player like him there's a Tasi or JWH who he's been able to sign.

I don't think it's a bad thing that he's earned the signings of highly sought after juniors. His ability to land those signings should be recognised, not scoffed at.

The Roosters certainly weren't making too many of them from 03-07 now were they? Gus along with Arty did a brilliant job of finding that balance for your club only for Sticky/Anderson/Freddy and co. to come along and throw large sums of money at Bulldog hacks, ESL hacks and show ponies.

You can make a million excuses as to why the likes of Jamie Soward didn't make it at the Roosters. At the end of the day, the Roosters didn't do enough to support his career and the way he was used, particularly in 06, was highly questionable. Eventually that year bit you in the ass big time, because not only did he help guide the side that beat you in the grand final, but the coach who was all but signed sealed and delivered enabled him to become the player he was destined to be.

I think you overestimate the quality of other recruitment officers. There's a few good scouts out there but for a team that basically thrives off of poaching O'Sullivan is doing a good job of building a side that can perform in the future.

At least, that's my 2 cents. For all I know, Kane Evans ends up like Steve Meredith, RTS goes the way of Ale...McDonald, Wells, Togitasi, Napa...well you get the picture but at least he's putting you in the game for a long time and not until the pocket theory runs dry.
 

Lambretta

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Q: Why did the Rooster cross the road?
A: Penalty to the other side!

:lol: That's spot on

The Roosters are having a terrible season and it all comes down to the headspace the players are in

Earlier in the season when things were going well the players seemed up for the battle – even when they were playing better sides, by and large there was effort there
Sure they had a tendency to get over excited and stuff things up – but they were trying

Then week after week things just kept going against them – yes some of the refereeing decisions did them no favours (and the video refereeing has seemed downright spiteful) but they’ve let themselves get into positions where the games could be decided by these factors.

Poor handling leads to turnovers
Turnovers lead to frustration
Frustrations lead to penalities
Penalties conceded lead to losses
Losses lead to the spoon

These issues have needed to be addressed long ago by our coaching team – but they’ve been unable to do so
Because they can’t get the little things right, like retaining possession the small problems have mounted and mounted until we find ourselves where we are today

No structure in attack
Poor effort in defence (thanks Matt Elliot you f**king numpty)
Poor discipline on their field
Inability to cope with adversity
Lack of effort from most concerned

All these issues stem from coaching – it’s time for Brian Smith to go
 

Jack_Napier

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Why on earth did we f**king bring Elliott into the coaching set up. He's a complete dunce. Last year we had 2 games where we were smacked by 26+. This year with that clowns defensive structures we've seen a couple of 50 point floggings and non existent effort in defence. Watch him take over from smiff.
 
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:lol: That's spot on

The Roosters are having a terrible season and it all comes down to the headspace the players are in

Earlier in the season when things were going well the players seemed up for the battle – even when they were playing better sides, by and large there was effort there
Sure they had a tendency to get over excited and stuff things up – but they were trying

Then week after week things just kept going against them – yes some of the refereeing decisions did them no favours (and the video refereeing has seemed downright spiteful) but they’ve let themselves get into positions where the games could be decided by these factors.

Poor handling leads to turnovers
Turnovers lead to frustration
Frustrations lead to penalities

Penalties conceded lead to losses
Losses lead to the spoon

These issues have needed to be addressed long ago by our coaching team – but they’ve been unable to do so
Because they can’t get the little things right, like retaining possession the small problems have mounted and mounted until we find ourselves where we are today

No structure in attack
Poor effort in defence (thanks Matt Elliot you f**king numpty)
Poor discipline on their field
Inability to cope with adversity
Lack of effort from most concerned

All these issues stem from coaching – it’s time for Brian Smith to go





To be fair, some of their frustration has come from poor refereeing decisions which ultimately digs them further into a hole. I also think they're getting exposed even more now that we're in to the business end of the season. This is the time when good sides (injuries pending) start getting serious. Experience and grit come to the fore.
 
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Jamie Soward did not want to play halfback and admitted that he did not have it in him to lead a team around the park. Soward wanted a release because he wasn't willing to stick around which if he did he would have been playing for Fittler who he later said he would have stayed at the club had he been the coach from the start of 2007. Spare me the Soward sob story If you knew any of this you would know that Soward left because of himself and not because of treatment.

Ryan Williamson, that bush wookie was another POS master stroke.

The point on the others is that POS did not spot them at some sports carnival they were all spotted playing and doing well in the Toyota cup, hardly groundbreaking. The only reason JWH signed was because we threw close to $600k at him, you didn't POS to tell you that the kid can play.

How is his South African rugby expedition going?
 

Big Pete

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Why would you have Soward play halfback though when he's clearly a natural five eigth? Again, your club f**ked up.

And your club is getting a ton of these schoolboys. I named a few, Wells, Togitasi, McDonald, Moga etc. etc. and that list is ever expanding.

And as I said, can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs. He's signed plenty of good young talent, the type of talent your club wasn't getting and was leaving you in ruts.
 

H.H

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I think Big Pete is on the money and he pretty much reflects my thoughts, apart from Mini.

I think the loss of Myles and Ryles has been catastrophic as their experience would've made a massive difference.

Let's not forget that only 8 days ago we physically dominated the form side in the competition and lost the unlosable (why - inexperience under pressure of course) with Mini our stand out player.

If you're going to bag him for getting torched by Jennings on Sunday then think again. That run was electric and Mini circa '05 wouldn't have got him. I don't think any other fullback in the game would've gotten a hand on him.

I have enormous faith in the ability of this young playing group. I'm not so sure about the direction they're getting from the coaching staff, but big things can potentially happen here if managed correctly.

That is a big if though.
 
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Why would you have Soward play halfback though when he's clearly a natural five eigth? Again, your club f**ked up.

And your club is getting a ton of these schoolboys. I named a few, Wells, Togitasi, McDonald, Moga etc. etc. and that list is ever expanding.

And as I said, can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs. He's signed plenty of good young talent, the type of talent your club wasn't getting and was leaving you in ruts.

How does the club f**k up when the coach selects the team? Stuart played him at half. Soward sooked about playing half so he wanted out. If Soward stays for 2 or 3 more weeks he plays 6 and Anasta 13 under Fittler. What was the club supposed to do, keep Soward in reserve grade?

What talent has left us that the club could have kept? Only James Tamou and that's down to off field behavior.
 

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