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since77

since77

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Dragsters said:
Perhaps in spite of his try assists, the amount of opportunities that he bombed because he didn't pass when he should have outweighed them...
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The difference between you and I is that I gave you some verifiable stats to show how inaccurate and disingenuous your post was.
Now how about you supply me with some actual examples of when Suli bombed a certain try because he didn't pass the ball?
 
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Slippery Morris

Slippery Morris

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shiloh dc said:
Suli has scored 26 tries in 167 games for team and country. That's one try every 6.42 games.

I put it out there - find me another NRL backline player with over 150 games played with a higher number than that!
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Ok so if we are looking at career stats Matt Feagai has 27 tries in 68 games. Now that in itself proves to me that Feagai is more potent in the backline.

Comparing him to others makes it even more embarrassing (but hey, he makes meters apparently from the back) :-

Val Holmes - 217 Appearances 114 Tries
Jessie Ramien - 170 games 56 Tries
Kotoni Staggs - 145 games 64 Tries (not quite 150 but close)
Stephen Crichton - 142 Games 69 Tries
Dane Gagai - 314 Games 87 Tries. Nearly double the games but triple the tries.
Brian Kelly - 190 games 66 Tries
Jack Wighton - 278 games 87 tries

Not many out there that have played more than 150 but her are the others below that have played far less.

Will Penisini - 100 games 36 tries
Campbell Graham - 142 Games 64 tries
Sebastian Kris - 109 games 46 tries
Izack Tago - 99 games 41 Tries
Bradman Best - 105 games 43 Tries
Herbie Farnworth - 118 Games 54 Tries
Bronson Xeri - 65 Games 32 Tries
Braidon Burns - 79 Games 28 Tries
Jack Bostock - 40 Games 25 tries
Tolu Koula - 82 games 38 tries
Starford To'a - 80 games 30 Tries
 
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shiloh dc

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Thanks Slip. Looks like Jessie Ramien is the highest with 3.04.
That is half of Suli.
Remembering that in this statistic lower is better.
I recall saying the moment we signed Suli from Manly that he was not the player we required. Indeed lots of Manly supporters at that time were very relieved to have offloaded him.

There is a growing issue that is playing out in the NRL and will be become glaringly obvious in the next 1-2 seasons - there are not enough quality players to sustain a highly skilled intensive game like the NRL over 27 weeks. Something has to give. The NRL has to either reduce the number of teams, reduce the starting number of players per team, centralise TPP's, tap greenfield areas of quality players or instigate a player draft. Unless one or more of these measures are undertaken we will continue to have a competition where each year only one of 5-6 teams can win and i dare say the same 5-6 teams.
 
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Dragsters

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since77 said:
The difference between you and I is that I gave you some verifiable stats to show how inaccurate and disingenuous your post was.
Now how about you supply me with some actual examples of when Suli bombed a certain try because he didn't pass the ball?
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Parko1310

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Why was Sloan throwing a cut out in a 5 on 2? He's the one that bombed that try lol. Suli is not without a little blame there but the winger is sliding and had the space between Suli and Rava covered (due to the time the cut out pass bought him), so Suli decided to cut back inside on the sliding defender (and beat him). Cover defence then arrives (again allowed to do so because of the braindead cut out pass) and Suli shits himself with the game on the line and doesn't end up backing himself to get there, so throws a shit ball out the back.

That is just so Dragons not to score that try, you genuinely can't take anything for granted with these blokes until the ball is planted on the ground and the try's been confirmed.
 
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Flinstone

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Parko1310 said:
Why was Sloan throwing a cut out in a 5 on 2? He's the one that bombed that try lol. Suli is not without a little blame there but the winger is sliding and had the space between Suli and Rava covered (due to the time the cut out pass bought him), so Suli decided to cut back inside on the sliding defender (and beat him). Cover defence then arrives (again allowed to do so because of the braindead cut out pass) and Suli shits himself with the game on the line and doesn't end up backing himself to get there, so throws a shit ball out the back.

That is just so Dragons not to score that try, you genuinely can't take anything for granted with these blokes until the ball is planted on the ground and the try's been confirmed.
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Sloan bombs that, just go through the hands, made it easier to defend by throwing the cut out.
 
possm

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Slippery Morris said:
Suli with 2 line breaks and 8 try assists in 2025. Val Holmes 9 try assist and 9 line breaks. Matt Feagai 6 line breaks and 1 try assist. Lawson 1 line break in only 4 games. So how is Suli so good with all these years experience and games this season. Of the 4 Val and Matt seem to be the more attacking threat with the most line breaks.

You cannot complain the attack is poor when there is 1 guy with 2 line breaks all year and then praise that guy that is probably the cause of the lack of attack on one side. The outside backs bread and butter should be line breaks not how many PCM they make. Leave that stat to the forwards.

By the way Sloan made 22 line breaks which is why he was probably the top scorer.

Flanno should really look this off-season to give Suli some training in the backrow as he has the body type and skill set to probably be a really good backrower. Beau Scott type player who could switch to both Centre and Backrow when needed in case of injury to a backs.
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Yes, I've been saying for some time that Suli should replace Leilua at 11 or be the 17 on the bench. If we don't sign any decent props, then put Leilua in the prop rotation.

My preference is to put Gutherson in the center in place of Sulie.

So the question is, who will be our fullback?
 
Dragsters

Dragsters

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since77 said:
Oh dear. Wrong. Sloan murders that one. Want to try again and get your facts from somewhere with more credibility than TikTok?
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I don't have to prove anything to you and what does the platform the video is on have anything to with anything?

I like Suli, I just think he is one-dimensional and tends to shit the bed under pressure.

I prefer centres to have a good passing game and I don't think he has.

This is a forum and forums are about opinions as much as they are about anything else and that's mine.

You don't have to agree with it but that's what it is.
 
Ieatass

Ieatass

Juniors
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Dragsters said:
I don't have to prove anything to you and what does the platform the video is on have anything to with anything?

I like Suli, I just think he is one-dimensional and tends to shit the bed under pressure.

I prefer centres to have a good passing game and I don't think he has.

This is a forum and forums are about opinions as much as they are about anything else and that's mine.

You don't have to agree with it but that's what it is.
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We're a team of one-dimensional players, that tend to shit the bed. Suli is one of our most consistent players, we need him, because he trucks nut and does the work of the alpha prop we're in desperate need of. Suli is the least of our problems. His attacking stats aren't great showing, but he barely sees any decent ball. In defence however he has improved immensely over the past two years, he'd be one of the better defending centres in the comp, and that's with sloan being outside him all of last season.
 
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InFlannoWeTrust

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SaintPeter said:
Surely we make a play now for Savala.
We need half and he’s available ??
He brings a lot of what we need to the team.
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Issue is in my opinion. We sign savala then reed’s path is blocked.
maybe a 2 year deal only see what happens as we have just re signed reed and expect him to be starting in 27 (maybe) or 28 100%
 
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