The Rumours Thread

[thebigredv]

I am unsure as to why the exact contract values are not published for the public. A transparent list of each and every player at each club should be made available and TPAs are recorded so no dodgy business can go on.

Look at how the bunker scrutinise every little detail to get a fair result. Same should be applied to salaries so fans can be ensured they are investing in a fair product.

The concept of the salary cap is excellent, and from time to time clubs will stuff it up big time all on their own. I'm well aware we've made a mess of ours since the Mary days, and who knows, Gus could be setting the Dogs up for problems down the road but I'd really just like to see the numbers in the plain light of day so we can make our own assessment.

How can it get to a point when you scroll down the list of our squad and you can't find more than one player that would put any fear in the opposition and yet the struggling dogs have managed to sign up 6 or 7 in just two years? How? Some teams have managed to present the same number of stars for years. Obviously it is possible to buy big in the marketplace but it would just really help the average fan to be privy to this detail. I believe the sport has reached a point when this is necessary.

 

[JohnnoMcJohnno]

I am unsure as to why the exact contract values are not published for the public. A transparent list of each and every player at each club should be made available and TPAs are recorded so no dodgy business can go on.

Probably for the same reason I don't want my income published for the public. Privacy.

 

[jak]

825K for Chrichton, that’s about right I reckon for a player of his calibre going to a club in a rebuilding phase.
Another great signing for the Dogs.

the dogs had that contract draw up in a heartbeat, or chrichton had it in his back pocket for some time, whatever happend to the dogs bred not bought program.

 

[thebigredv]

Probably for the same reason I don't want my income published for the public. Privacy.

Privacy is where the trouble lives in this case.

It's the Third Party Agreements that bother me most but players generally know what the other is earning and we generally know a player's worth.

Every $ detail should be public. It will bring some clubs back to the fold.

I don't trust the NRL officials to do the auditing alone.

 

[justadragon]

I am unsure as to why the exact contract values are not published for the public. A transparent list of each and every player at each club should be made available and TPAs are recorded so no dodgy business can go on.

Look at how the bunker scrutinise every little detail to get a fair result. Same should be applied to salaries so fans can be ensured they are investing in a fair product.

The concept of the salary cap is excellent, and from time to time clubs will stuff it up big time all on their own. I'm well aware we've made a mess of ours since the Mary days, and who knows, Gus could be setting the Dogs up for problems down the road but I'd really just like to see the numbers in the plain light of day so we can make our own assessment.

How can it get to a point when you scroll down the list of our squad and you can't find more than one player that would put any fear in the opposition and yet the struggling dogs have managed to sign up 6 or 7 in just two years? How? Some teams have managed to present the same number of stars for years. Obviously it is possible to buy big in the marketplace but it would just really help the average fan to be privy to this detail. I believe the sport has reached a point when this is necessary.

Show me the MONEY !!!!!

 

[JohnnoMcJohnno]

Privacy is where the trouble lives in this case.

It's the Third Party Agreements that bother me most but players generally know what the other is earning and we generally know a player's worth.

Every $ detail should be public. It will bring some clubs back to the fold.

I don't trust the NRL officials to do the auditing alone.

It's not a perfect system, but then again it never has been. Disreputable clubs can always make payments under the table, provide you with rental assistance or give you a free car loan. 3rd party deals are particularly suspect but have to be exempt from the salary cap because otherwise it's a restraint of trade.

I have a bit more faith in the NRL than you. The fact that they caught Melbourne, Cronulla and the Dogs indicates they are at least trying.

 

[Lethal25]

It's not a perfect system, but then again it never has been. Disreputable clubs can always make payments under the table, provide you with rental assistance or give you a free car loan. 3rd party deals are particularly suspect but have to be exempt from the salary cap because otherwise it's a restraint of trade.

I have a bit more faith in the NRL than you. The fact that they caught Melbourne, Cronulla and the Dogs indicates they are at least trying.

Didn't someone dob them in on each occasion? Not sure the NRL auditor actually stumbled across anything, I could be wrong but that's my recollection

 

[Dr Fruitbasket Returns]

The problem is not the Dogs working the system. It's our sheer base level inability to work it ourselves. Not because we're honest, because we're incompetent.

 

[JohnnoMcJohnno]

Didn't someone dob them in on each occasion? Not sure the NRL auditor actually stumbled across anything, I could be wrong but that's my recollection

My recollection was that the Melbourne Storm breaches were discovered by the NRL auditor, Ian Schubert. Don't know about the others. You wouldn't have needed a tip off for Melbourne, the fact that they had Cronk, Smith, Slater and Inglis on the books should have been a red flag.

 

[possm]

Des made all the recommendations and put all the plans in place just as he did at Manly.

Remember he is a controlling personality type with his own team (Crusher etc) and it's Des's way or the highway.

Our Board and football management staff wouldn't have a clue about things football. We could do a lot worse than to hire Hasler as coach and Brown as recruitment manager. We also need a decent football manager.

 

[possm]

Probably for the same reason I don't want my income published for the public. Privacy.

You most probably do not work under a salary cap or TPA. You are most probably not a public role model or have a public profile. Most likely no one would be interested in the money you earn.

However, in the NRL, there seem to be inconsistencies in how some clubs manage to secure a large number of highly paid and highly talented players while others are struggling to remain under the salary cap with a squad of mostly unremarkable players. Especially when all clubs receive the same grant each year and have access to the same TPA scheme.

I for one believe the salary cap and TPA should be public information.

 

[JohnnoMcJohnno]

You most probably do not work under a salary cap or TPA. You are most probably not a public role model or have a public profile. Most likely no one would be interested in the money you earn.

My ex-wife would!

 

[thebigredv]

Didn't someone dob them in on each occasion? Not sure the NRL auditor actually stumbled across anything, I could be wrong but that's my recollection

And always years after the fact when the damage had already been done.

 

[thebigredv]

The problem is not the Dogs working the system. It's our sheer base level inability to work it ourselves. Not because we're honest, because we're incompetent.

And my point is by making it all visible gives less places for a club like ours to hide their incompetence and make them more accountable to the fan/stakeholder.

The game has been commercialised that much where I don't see how publicising the accounts of player earnings would actually hurt it.

 

[Mojo]

And always years after the fact when the damage had already been done.

Exactly. A system designed to establish a level playing field has ultimately enabled some clubs to dominate the market. It actually applies a hand brake on the clubs that don't have wealthy backers. It's a farce.

 

[JohnnoMcJohnno]

And always years after the fact when the damage had already been done.

That is true. The rorting isn't discovered until much later. Maybe the only answer is to have a draft.

 

[Mojo]

And my point is by making it all visible gives less places for a club like ours to hide their incompetence and make them more accountable to the fan/stakeholder.

The game has been commercialised that much where I don't see how publicising the accounts of player earnings would actually hurt it.

Company directors, politicians and many public servants have to publish their remuneration and record their pecuniary interests and third party payments on public records. FFS, we all know there's lots of corrupt BS going on in the NRL. It's obviously and art form and an industry.

 

[AyiosYiorgos]

My recollection was that the Melbourne Storm breaches were discovered by the NRL auditor, Ian Schubert. Don't know about the others. You wouldn't have needed a tip off for Melbourne, the fact that they had Cronk, Smith, Slater and Inglis on the books should have been a red flag.

And they invested and developed those players and really shouldn't be punished they should have received dispensation and so should Penrith with they guys they have spent resources and developed, its what we would want, IF Sloan, Feagai x2 Ramsey, Amone, Sullivan Coric, Couchmanx2 all become superstars through our development and we have to lose half of them we would all be crying out that its unfair..

 

[JohnnoMcJohnno]

And they invested and developed those players and really shouldn't be punished they should have received dispensation and so should Penrith with they guys they have spent resources and developed, its what we would want, IF Sloan, Feagai x2 Ramsey, Amone, Sullivan Coric, Couchmanx2 all become superstars through our development and we have to lose half of them we would all be crying out that its unfair..

Noted, but that's a different arguement. Under the rules which applied at the time, they cheated. Other teams who operated within the cap had every right to feel aggrieved.

 

[Dragons4me]

The rich and powerful powerbrokers who have the ability to make all sorts of financial arrangements to players (on and off the books) are the ones who have the greatest influence. The NRL know it. All good points so at the end of the day, do you think the NRL are going to effectively bite that hand that feeds it? Our BOD (bunch of dinosaurs not board of directors) still believe in Saturday night chook raffles for revenue raising!