The Rumours Thread

[Illusion]

Dumb idea the easier solution is to give cap concession to clubs who bring through juniors.you will then see clubs investing more in the bush and there own areas .By juniors I mean any kid from SGBalk up they don’t have be locally produced

Yep a discount for bringing them through their system , then if another club wants them they have to pay a set fee across the board above the negotiating fee to the club that put the time in them .....

 

[Dragons4me]

Yep a discount for bring them through their system , then if another club wants them they have to pay a set fee across the board above the negotiating fee to the club that put the time in them .....

I know it's been discussed before, but is the AFL trade system a better option and how does that work? I can't remember which NRL successfully challenged it but it seems like all AFL clubs accept it (hell it's even televised). More specifically would that benefit or hinder a development club like ours?

 

[Mojo]

Why not a simple rule: locally developed talent not included under the cap? So, clubs that cultivate talent can also afford to buy experienced players to join them. Clubs that don’t, have a harder row to hoe. The ‘parent’ club can pay talented kids good money; clubs that want to buy them have to offer big bucks to the parent club and the talented young guys. Incentive for young guys to train to make the grade and for parent clubs to retain them.

 

[Gareth67]

So this mornings SMH has an article that the NRL want to give outside cap payments to players involved in the semifinal series.

Another reason for players to take ‘unders’ to stay at successful clubs.

Inside the secret plan for NRL finals payments outside the salary cap

Players could earn as much as $36,000 outside their normal salary under a State of Origin-style system designed to shake up the finals series.

amp.smh.com.au

I cannot fathom their thinking , except of course the NRL and the Player’s Association must believe that the almighty dollar will spur the players from the various semi finalists on to greater heights .

We had North Queensland Cowboy player Tom Deardon who was prepared to lose one of his testicles ( ) so as to ensure that he would be able to play for his team in the finals .

It was not the dollars that he was after , the young bloke was playing for the right reason - hopefully to taste premiership glory with his teammates , give their fans something to remember and above all to ensure that all the hard work of the team , coaching staff came to a successful conclusion .

To my mind the so called bonus only diminishes the efforts of all concerned within the club in their pursuit of that elusive silver trophy .

 

[The Word]

Dumb idea the easier solution is to give cap concession to clubs who bring through juniors.you will then see clubs investing more in the bush and there own areas .By juniors I mean any kid from SGBalk up they don’t have be locally produced

I've always been a fan of this idea. Maybe $100k concession for each player in the 30 that has played a specified number of years in the juniors system.

I get where the players association is coming from. They are effectively lobbying for overtime payments due to the higher number of games for some players. They are agnostic from a club perspective.

You could see it as favouring the more successful clubs. On the flip side I guess it would provide an incentive for the players involved in the 9-16 position clubs to try and help their club make the 8, as they would be financially rewarded for doing so. An extra bite in their tackles maybe.

 

[Trifili13]

So the NRL is looking to give the teams that make the top 8, usually the ones with the better players anyway, a further leg up. If this is approved it's probably on a par, if not worse, than our mob giving coaches new contracts when they don't deserve them.

As for giving dispensation to players developed from your own district, teams with big junior districts like us with the Illawarra region should in theory get a big advantage over clubs with small regions like the Rooster's (just trying to be fair in my comment if we are trying to level out the playing field). I assume there would be some age limit of when someone is considered a local junior. Maybe somewhere around 15, 16 or 17 is the limit, anything older they are not a junior. You shouldn't be pinching 18 or 19 year olds from other clubs and if they play in your first grade team you call them a junior.

 

[Mojo]

So the NRL is looking to give the teams that make the top 8, usually the ones with the better players anyway, a further leg up. If this is approved it's probably on a par, if not worse, than our mob giving coaches new contracts when they don't deserve them.

As for giving dispensation to players developed from your own district, teams with big junior districts like us with the Illawarra region should in theory get a big advantage over clubs with small regions like the Rooster's (just trying to be fair in my comment if we are trying to level out the playing field). I assume there would be some age limit of when someone is considered a local junior. Maybe somewhere around 15, 16 or 17 is the limit, anything older they are not a junior. You shouldn't be pinching 18 or 19 year olds from other clubs and if they play in your first grade team you call them a junior.

Isn’t it fair enough that clubs that have no junior districts should be less ‘facilitated’. Those clubs need to promote the game rather than finding finance to poach from the hard work of other areas.

 

[Slippery Morris]

What a dumb idea paying players for making semis. The top 8 teams will remain the same as all bottom 8 sides will struggle to maintain any players chasing the dollars and this generation of kids in 99.9%.

Cap should be $2mil and clubs can pay any juniors they develop as much as they want as they will be excluded. All clubs have reserve grade sides so whoever makes it to the reserve grade from HM or SG Ball and plays a season in reserve grade is excluded. To easy. Then you will see teams like the Dogs limited to only buying a handful of players not a whole team made up or juniors from other sides. Clubs get 10mil from NRL to pay players plus any extras they can fork out from sponsorship so they cannot cry poor. Any players moved on and the club should get reimbursed 25%. That would make the comp so much more interesting and bring back tribalism. Teams like Saints, Tigers, Souths, Eels, Bronco's, Panthers will be in the 8 constantly and deservedly so not teams cashed up with no care for junior developement.

 

[Trifili13]

What a dumb idea paying players for making semis. The top 8 teams will remain the same as all bottom 8 sides will struggle to maintain any players chasing the dollars and this generation of kids in 99.9%.

Cap should be $2mil and clubs can pay any juniors they develop as much as they want as they will be excluded. All clubs have reserve grade sides so whoever makes it to the reserve grade from HM or SG Ball and plays a season in reserve grade is excluded. To easy. Then you will see teams like the Dogs limited to only buying a handful of players not a whole team made up or juniors from other sides. Clubs get 10mil from NRL to pay players plus any extras they can fork out from sponsorship so they cannot cry poor. Any players moved on and the club should get reimbursed 25%. That would make the comp so much more interesting and bring back tribalism. Teams like Saints, Tigers, Souths, Eels, Bronco's, Panthers will be in the 8 constantly and deservedly so not teams cashed up with no care for junior developement.

I don't think you can have such a low salary cap for non-juniors. What would happen if your current crop of juniors are crap and you have to get imports to fill more than half your roster, you would struggle to put any decent team on the paddock with $2m. Also paying juniors whatever you want outside the cap won't work, imagine the current Penrith squad and the advantage they would have.

 

[TruSaint]

I don't think you can have such a low salary cap for non-juniors. What would happen if your current crop of juniors are crap and you have to get imports to fill more than half your roster, you would struggle to put any decent team on the paddock with $2m. Also paying juniors whatever you want outside the cap won't work, imagine the current Penrith squad and the advantage they would have.

Spot on.

The only reasonable option is for a small concession on locally developed players. If the reward is " too " big then the comp will be played between a handful of Clubs. Wont work.

 

[possm]

The coaching staff are at fault. They don’t pick them. Sullivan and Sloan are asking for release because they don’t feel they are getting the opportunities that they’ll get at other clubs.
It was the same for Robson, Garrick, they felt they were being overlooked by the coaches in favour of, well, the coaches favourites.
We need to employ better coaches that have an eye for talent and appreciate that they cannot play favourites with their mates such as Mbye, McCulloch.

The five under 18 yr old players are the ones who Canberra nabbed. They are the players I was referring to and those in the news item.

As far as Sloan and Sullivan go, yes it is up to the coaches to decide if they are ready or not. I would like to see Hasler as our head coach but I cannot guarantee he would select Sloan or Sullivan. Every coach wants to win a game and good coaches will always give a young gun a go if they think the player is up to it.

 

[possm]

I don't think you can have such a low salary cap for non-juniors. What would happen if your current crop of juniors are crap and you have to get imports to fill more than half your roster, you would struggle to put any decent team on the paddock with $2m. Also paying juniors whatever you want outside the cap won't work, imagine the current Penrith squad and the advantage they would have.

Some clubs may decide that it is more cost-effective to develop their own juniors or even foster a junior competition within their district.

 

[Slippery Morris]

I saw an article "Saints sack coach" and got excited, unfortunately it was Saint Kilda coach. Damn....

 

[thebigredv]

I saw an article "Saints sack coach" and got excited, unfortunately it was Saint Kilda coach. Damn....

As a St Kilda supporter I liked brett ratten but he wasn't getting the team to where it needed to be. His winning rate was 50%. Hilariously he was resigned 3 months ago a la Mary before his sacking.

Mr Griffin has a win rate of 42%. Both clubs are run like a basket case, the difference is Saints have aspiration and haven't given up altogether. Dragons signed Liddle...

 

[SEAT 1A]

So this mornings SMH has an article that the NRL want to give outside cap payments to players involved in the semifinal series.

Another reason for players to take ‘unders’ to stay at successful clubs.

Inside the secret plan for NRL finals payments outside the salary cap

Players could earn as much as $36,000 outside their normal salary under a State of Origin-style system designed to shake up the finals series.

amp.smh.com.au

The cap is working so well for the bottom teams.

It will level the playing field. I can see an alite player coming to the Dragons for the extra cash.

 

[possm]

The cap is working so well for the bottom teams.

It will level the playing field. I can see an alite player coming to the Dragons for the extra cash.

The plight of the Dragons has more to do with the people running the club.

I imagine a couple of members of our Board take control when it comes to signing players.

 

[BIG RIG]

OFFICIAL

We have signed Zane Musgrove from the Wests Tigers and have released George Burgess from the rest of his contract

 

[Maddragon99]

OFFICIAL

We have signed Zane Musgrove from the Wests Tigers and have released George Burgess from the rest of his contract

Hardly a marquee signing but Musgrove goes ‘ok’ he’ll fit in well with the other plodders.

Initially I was very hopeful about Burgess but given his repeated off field issues I’m happy to see him go.

 

[Dragon David]

Dragons sign Musgrove and release Burgess

St George Illawarra have secured the services of Wests Tigers forward Zane Musgrove ahead of the Dragons' 2023 NRL Telstra Premiership campaign.

www.dragons.com.au

 

[St Tangles]

2 signings from this seasons spooners

Onwards and upwards

What other goodies do they have in store for us