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Yep and a job for his son and daughter ........He's using his short arms to rub coconut oil into himself in the Bahamas, he doesn't give a crap about the Dragons, they are a tax write off to him.
Yep and a job for his son and daughter ........He's using his short arms to rub coconut oil into himself in the Bahamas, he doesn't give a crap about the Dragons, they are a tax write off to him.
And whilst I've said it before, this will really just about do me. No one person (sorry Flanno) could possibly resurrect this mess of a club. A comatose backer (Win) who is more secretive than the KKK; a limp BOD who even with a ton of Viagra still couldn't get any movement. I've witnessed a GF in 2010 so I'm happy with that. The absence of anything positive after the year coming second last by a fluke is just all too depressing. I've just got to wean myself off this mob for my sanity.Sua is gone sorry, nothing will keep him.now
They should change their name to LOSE instead of WIN.Yeah but the son and daughter are here and involved in WIN.
What you have said typifies many of what several others on here have been saying to varying degrees but they all add up to the same conclusion.And whilst I've said it before, this will really just about do me. No one person (sorry Flanno) could possibly resurrect this mess of a club. A comatose backer (Win) who is more secretive than the KKK; a limp BOD who even with a ton of Viagra still couldn't get any movement. I've witnessed a GF in 2010 so I'm happy with that. The absence of anything positive after the year coming second last by a fluke is just all too depressing. I've just got to wean myself off this mob for my sanity.
Sorry rant over!
No great loss I guess.So we can cross the name Cade Cust off the rumoured list of players we were supposedly interested in.
According to the Zero Tackle website, he is staying in the UK and will be signing with Salford.
Short-term pain for long-term gain is the name of the game. The club has only just gotten the cap in order so the last thing we need is signing any available player to 2-3 years just to feel better about 2024. For example, look at the Tigers and Dogs who had tremendous recruitment sprees for 2023 which then translated to very little in performance. Recruitment isn’t the be all and end all of a season. My outlook is trust in Flanno and his coaching staff to pull 2024 out of the fire, and not focus too heavily on our recruitment (or lack thereof). Signings for 2025 will be a better indicator of whether the club has learnt from the lessons of the past few years. That’s what we should scrutinise when the time comes.I honestly don't think that we will be going to get any big names for 2024. Flanno saying there won't be any panic buying means that he will get say a couple of just above average guys and get the squad to train hard, get fitter and see how theuy blend with each other under his coaching during the preseason trials. Maybe then target others better ones down the track or he might have the current guys firing. We won't know until later.
It's all very well that the other clubs, particularly the Dogs, are signing left, right and centre anyone who is anyone but only marginal at best. They mainly have quantity than real quality signed up overall, but they should do better next year. We can be much better and can improve immensely.
We just gotta do things right and feel confident with everything in themselves - players and coaches.
Short-term pain for long-term gain is the name of the game. The club has only just gotten the cap in order so the last thing we need is signing any available player to 2-3 years just to feel better about 2024. For example, look at the Tigers and Dogs who had tremendous recruitment sprees for 2023 which then translated to very little in performance. Recruitment isn’t the be all and end all of a season. My outlook is trust in Flanno and his coaching staff to pull 2024 out of the fire, and not focus too heavily on our recruitment (or lack thereof). Signings for 2025 will be a better indicator of whether the club has learnt from the lessons of the past few years. That’s what we should scrutinise when the time comes.
View attachment 81213dunno if there was any basis for this more than the usual rumour.. but I like that we seem to have a plan for these 2.. perhaps thats why manly just upped their offer consideably.. the only piece that gives me hope is both players are from clubs our coaching staff just left.
Edit: just read manly offered 850k and an 8yr extension for olakauatu? That can't be right surely.. Thats a desperate ploy.. Don't see how we could compete with it either..
Very good points Dragonslayer. We do have a coach who will know exactly what to do with the squad we have and a couple of newbies who he wants to tide us over until 2025. No frills just yet. Get the squad fitter, faster, tougher, stronger, good headspace, better all round culture, play for the club with pride - they are some of the things that will be in place for next year with the help of better support staff and hopefully a better recruitment guy in Millard. Carr knows what we have and Deano will want to bring some external knowledge and be home again in the area he was brought up in and get us back up there.Signings are useless if the player signed is only in it for the cash and not the club and we've seen enough if these types over the last few years.
Now, who did the Warriors sign in late 2022, to make them such a force in 2023?
What they did do was sign a proper coach, gave them an attitude adjustment, and backed ALL of his squad
The Bulldogs signed just about anyone who was available. Were they are force on 2023?
They also signed a new coach, well they finished 15th!
We have signed a new coach, let players leave, tapped others on the shoulder etc. Those players deemed not to have the right 'attitude'. I believe some of those players we will he stuck with for the '24 season, then they'll be gladly moved on.
We have gone after a few players, some rejected, some considered, but ultimately, they were players deemed suitable to the development of our long term future.
2024 was always going to be a fix-it year. Will we finish with the spoon, no. Will we make the 8, I would say no at this stage. Will we improve on this year, absolutely.
FFS!!!
FASTER, FITTER, STRONGER
Signing over priced, over hyped, retirement package players on long term deals only inhibit the progression of some of our very highly recognized juniors. Ones we will loose if not given the proper opportunities.
As for Sua, he's a good player no doubt, but let's delve a little deeper here. He's player 31 games for us over 2 seasons. That's a lot of time not on the playing field. Yes, some we injuries, but a lot were suspensions also. Averages just over 100 running metres a game and just below 90% tackle efficiency.
He would need a very big 2024 imo.
Signing players again isn't the answer. Signing the right player is, and ivthink Flanno knows this too well.
DS - your last line hits the nail on the head - signing the right player , also the right price . Im sure we will miss out on players who we judge better than what we have BUT Flanno is definitely after his style of player so fingers crossed we get some quality and i hope dean can influence 1 or 2 cowboysSignings are useless if the player signed is only in it for the cash and not the club and we've seen enough if these types over the last few years.
Now, who did the Warriors sign in late 2022, to make them such a force in 2023?
What they did do was sign a proper coach, gave them an attitude adjustment, and backed ALL of his squad
The Bulldogs signed just about anyone who was available. Were they are force on 2023?
They also signed a new coach, well they finished 15th!
We have signed a new coach, let players leave, tapped others on the shoulder etc. Those players deemed not to have the right 'attitude'. I believe some of those players we will he stuck with for the '24 season, then they'll be gladly moved on.
We have gone after a few players, some rejected, some considered, but ultimately, they were players deemed suitable to the development of our long term future.
2024 was always going to be a fix-it year. Will we finish with the spoon, no. Will we make the 8, I would say no at this stage. Will we improve on this year, absolutely.
FFS!!!
FASTER, FITTER, STRONGER
Signing over priced, over hyped, retirement package players on long term deals only inhibit the progression of some of our very highly recognized juniors. Ones we will loose if not given the proper opportunities.
As for Sua, he's a good player no doubt, but let's delve a little deeper here. He's player 31 games for us over 2 seasons. That's a lot of time not on the playing field. Yes, some we injuries, but a lot were suspensions also. Averages just over 100 running metres a game and just below 90% tackle efficiency.
He would need a very big 2024 imo.
Signing players again isn't the answer. Signing the right player is, and ivthink Flanno knows this too well.
Yes no way he leaves Manly if that offer is true.View attachment 81213dunno if there was any basis for this more than the usual rumour.. but I like that we seem to have a plan for these 2.. perhaps thats why manly just upped their offer consideably.. the only piece that gives me hope is both players are from clubs our coaching staff just left.
Edit: just read manly offered 850k and an 8yr extension for olakauatu? That can't be right surely.. Thats a desperate ploy.. Don't see how we could compete with it either..
The silence and absence in any "real" signings doesn't mean that we are on the nose or that Flanno and his recruitment guy are not working hard enough to get the sort of players "that we deem that we should be getting". Flanno and others in the coaching department know what is needed moreso than what we know. Our position in the marketplace for decent players has not been any good for over 10 years in reality.We all said we would give Flanno a fair shot and trust his judgement, I'm sure there will be more than enough time if he F&%KS up for us to be all over him like white on rice. But for the time being give the man a chance.
Another club that’s cooking the books!View attachment 81213dunno if there was any basis for this more than the usual rumour.. but I like that we seem to have a plan for these 2.. perhaps thats why manly just upped their offer consideably.. the only piece that gives me hope is both players are from clubs our coaching staff just left.
Edit: just read manly offered 850k and an 8yr extension for olakauatu? That can't be right surely.. Thats a desperate ploy.. Don't see how we could compete with it either..