The Sheahan Top 50

[CyberKev]

& Brown is the type of player that wins you premierships ... The overated pansy from Fremantle can't even get his team to the finals...

LOL.

I'd hazard to say that there's a little bit of difference in the overall quality of the sides that Brown has ben playing in as opposed to Pav.

Brisbane had one of the best sides in history, whereas freo have been largely a one man band.

 

[CyberKev]

It helps to do some study first ...


JB is an old man compared to Pavlich, he's all of 64 days older than him!

Not only is he younger in real terms, but he is younger in body terms, given the bullocking nature of the Brown game (part of the reason he has so many injury problems).

Brown will burn out before Pavlich does, meaning the latter will give you a couple of extra years.

 

[meltiger]

Not only is he younger in real terms, but he is younger in body terms, given the bullocking nature of the Brown game (part of the reason he has so many injury problems).

Brown will burn out before Pavlich does, meaning the latter will give you a couple of extra years.

lol

Reading between the lines ladies and gentlemen ... Pavlich will last longer because he's soft.



I'm glad you agree with me Kev

 

[CyberKev]

lol

Reading between the lines ladies and gentlemen ... Pavlich will last longer because he's soft.



I'm glad you agree with me Kev

If soft means using your body smartly while taking a heap of contested marks then load me up with softies...

Soft or not, Pav would still be the first player chosen at Richmond at any time during your life.

 

[meltiger]

Pav would still be the first player chosen at Richmond at any time during your life.

Utter rubbish.

I'm actually glad at the end of the day we chose Fiora even if to most it appears a stupid choice in hindsight - I wouldn't want Pavlich at Richmond.


We need players that are prepared to give their all for the club, not sit back, watch the others do the hard yards and then kick goals at the ends of quarters.


As Pavlich has done everytime he's played against Richmond. Well excepting of course the day at the MCG when Richo the master bent him over his knee and taught him a lesson. Even Richo couldn't have managed a dummy spit as great as the several Pavlich had that day.

 

[CyberKev]

Utter rubbish.

I'm actually glad at the end of the day we chose Fiora even if to most it appears a stupid choice in hindsight - I wouldn't want Pavlich at Richmond.


We need players that are prepared to give their all for the club, not sit back, watch the others do the hard yards and then kick goals at the ends of quarters.


As Pavlich has done everytime he's played against Richmond. Well excepting of course the day at the MCG when Richo the master bent him over his knee and taught him a lesson. Even Richo couldn't have managed a dummy spit as great as the several Pavlich had that day.

This is where you always fall down.

You watch a couple of Tiger games and that becomes the basis for your overarching view of the entire AFL landscape.

You pretty much lost all credibility with the opening sentence.

 

[meltiger]

I must say, it's a sad day when someone who is an unabashed fan of one of the hardest men to ever play the game (Lethal) is singing the praises of Pavlich the cream puff.

 

[meltiger]

You pretty much lost all credibility with the opening sentence.

LOL

I don't want Pavlich at Richmond, is that so hard to understand? He's soft as butter. We need players prepared to give their all - He doesn't.


& quite frankly, regardless of the fact my views are not simply formed by watching him against Richmond alone ... If a key forward cannot dominate our backline, he's not as good as you make out.


YOU lost your credibility when you claimed Pavlich was younger Kev.....

 

[CyberKev]

YOU lost your credibility when you claimed Pavlich was younger Kev.....

I was 100% correct wasn't I?

 

[CyberKev]

I must say, it's a sad day when someone who is an unabashed fan of one of the hardest men to ever play the game (Lethal) is singing the praises of Pavlich the cream puff.

I appreciate talent fullstop.

Pavlich is a contested marking player in an age when there are fewer and fewer all the time.

He can also play all across the park and rarely loses to opponents.

Would singlehandedly have gotten the Tigers into the 8 last year.

 

[lockyno1]

No, midfielders put you into games, but its forwards who win or lose you games. This is why Hawthorn invariably gets an even or greater share of the football, but loses more games than it wins. Its also why a side like the Eagles will always struggle in big games.

Judd is only considered the pre-eminent midfielder because the media swoon over him and the general footballing public follow the media like sheep.

He is an ordinary mark of a football, has average disposal skills, and is largely a one trick pony (its just that the trick is a good one). He isn't even the best midfielder at West Coast.

He was about the 9th best footballer in the year he won the Brownlow, had little genuine impact on last year's GF (through constantly missing targets) when he won the Norm Smith, and made a mockery of the goal of the year, which was well behind numerous candidates.

For what its worth, my top six would run:

1) Matthew Pavlich
2) Jonathan Brown
3) Nick Reiwoldt
4) Barry Hall
5) Justin Kozitschke
6) Warren Tredrea

For arguments sake this would be MY TOP 10...

1. Chris Judd
2. Barry Hall
3. Warren Tredrea
4. Dean Cox
5. Jonathon Brown
6. Nick Reievolt
7. Nick Del Santo
8. Ben Cousins
9. Daniel Kerr
10. Matthew Pavlich

That would be my 10. The 9 above Pavlich I would have before him in my side.

 

[camsmith]

I picked up the paper, saw Gehrig was in front of Richo, then put it down again.

Beyond ridiculous.

 

[camsmith]

LOL

I don't want Pavlich at Richmond, is that so hard to understand? He's soft as butter. We need players prepared to give their all - He doesn't.


& quite frankly, regardless of the fact my views are not simply formed by watching him against Richmond alone ... If a key forward cannot dominate our backline, he's not as good as you make out.

I'll be honest, whenever i think of Pav i think of the game last year where my grandma could of got more touches.

Even when i put that insipid effort of Pav in the back of my mind, there is no way that Brown is worse than Pav. I wouldn't mind looking at career stats actually. Although these days they matter little, would still be interesting.

Oh and those who say Judd is over-rated... are you kidding? An absolute game winning champion. And yes kev, better than Hodge. :lol:

 

[CyberKev]

Oh and those who say Judd is over-rated... are you kidding? An absolute game winning champion. And yes kev, better than Hodge. :lol:

Keep pushing the media line, Cammers...

Hodge was better than Judd last season, is smarter, more skilled and has greater diversity.

He still has go up while Judd has none.

Still, I'm hoping that people keep massively overrating Judd and underrating Hodge, as its bad for the Eagles and good for us.

 

[meltiger]

I actually agree that Hodge is better than Judd. I've always said in time Hawthorn will be proven right.


But no, Pavlich would NOT have got Richmond to the finals last year, it would have required commitment and hard work on his part.


They asked four experts in the HUN this morning who would be the player they would build a team around ... ALL named Jonathon Brown.

 

[meltiger]

Still, I'm hoping that people keep massively overrating Judd and underrating Hodge, as its bad for the Eagles and good for us.

It's certainly good for Hawthorn's salary cap!


Which with what 10 selections in the first 20 draft picks over the last 2 years ... that could be an issue going down the road if all become stars.


Especially when the McMagpie vultures start circling.

 

[CyberKev]

I actually agree that Hodge is better than Judd.

But no, Pavlich would NOT have got Richmond to the finals last year, it would have required commitment and hard work on his part.


They asked four experts in the HUN this morning who would be the player they would build a team around ... ALL named Jonathon Brown.

That depends.

Brisbane already had a powerful structure in place when Brown came along and iced the cake.

Freo were at the very bottom of the pile with one of the worst lists in the past quarter century when Pavlich happened along.

Brown is exceptional, but he can't do a lot of the things that Pavlich can, and if you had a developing side, the diversity of Pavlich would be sensational for you.

Anyhow, who are these experts?

As for Judd, I'd honestly take Deledio or Griffen ahead of him in a heartbeat.

Anyhow, as I've already said, let the overrating continue... It only hurts West Coast in the long haul, and Leaigh Matthews knew as much when he slyly declared Judd a $500,000 player a couple of seasons back... More fab stuff from Lethal.

 

[CyberKev]

It's certainly good for Hawthorn's salary cap!


Which with what 10 selections in the first 20 draft picks over the last 2 years ... that could be an issue going down the road if all become stars.


Especially when the McMagpie vultures start circling.

The thing about the salary cap is that you have to pay almost all of it out no matter what state your list is in.

As such, Hawthorn has been paying out heaps for crap players for years.

By easing out highly paid non-performers and bringing in a suite of younger players, the club can better balance its cap and allow for future needs.

Commonly, younger players will accept less if they feel comfortable at a club, are doing well there, and have forged bonds with peers. This is what we have seen happening at St Kilda in recent years, with young footballers accepting less than they can get elsewhere to chase success with their mates.

This is another (less talked about) advantage of a switch to a strong youth focus.

At any rate, the players have to reach a level where they're in firm demand before this becomes a concern. Player retention woes are actually nice to have when its caused by young players coming good en masse.

 

[meltiger]

Anyhow, who are these experts?

Terry Wallace was one.


I'd rate him as an expert



lol

 

[CyberKev]

Terry Wallace was one.


I'd rate him as an expert



lol

The reason I was asking is because their choice of Brown would most likely reflect the structure that their current side has.

The question may be - "Who would you most like to build a side around?", but a coach will always answer in terms of the gun player in the competition that their side is presently lacking. Clearly Wallace believes his side needs more grunt up forward.