The Swamp

[Tiger5150]

Did the Eels get a chance to not resign him post the 2024 concussion? Or did Matto take up his option?

OK you got me that I am not a Doctor, but Contracts are my 9-5.

An option is not a Contract, it is an option for one party to enter into a Contract under a pre-determined set of conditions, but the Contract (and any Contact) has to be a new Contract that has form, consent, offer and acceptance, legality, intent and consideration. Both parties must intend and be able to complete the terms of the Contract and provide the consideration outlined in the Contract.

Part of that is the capacity to carry out the Contract. At this point of a new Contract, Parra must have conducted a medical which I can only assume would have included the information from his 2024 neurological testing. At this point Parra have made the decision that he is able to provide his end of the Contract. What does this mean if/when Matterson says he cant play due to concussions? This is of course the whole point.

My whole argument in this thread hasnt been can or should Matterson be medically retired due to concussions, it is whether Parra would get cap dispensation. IMO Parra may be running a much bigger risk with the Contract and whether the insurance company would pay out (see Anthony Watmough).

 

[JokerEel]

Glad to see you can discuss a subject that has nothing to do with you or your loved ones without resorting to childish personal attacks. R U OK?

You didnt even attempt to answer my questions yet somehow I am the ignorant one? I'd suggest you go away and research the meaning of ignorance.....look up irony while you are there.


Yes. As I have clearly explained.


Jake Friend? The Roosters player who had to medically retire due to recurrent concussions, who got paid in full for his Contract sum and for who the Roosters had $0 deducted from their salary cap?

Cordener was under the cap due to it happening in year 2 of his new 5 year deal.

Friend wasn't exempt as he was in the final year of his 1 year deal.

The Roosters resigned Cornder even though he had concussions prior to signing a new contract.

 

[Tiger5150]

Why was it covered in the cap? Hint 1 year contract...

Its almost like its an injury like any other isnt it?

 

[JokerEel]

OK you got me that I am not a Doctor, but Contracts are my 9-5.

An option is not a Contract, it is an option for one party to enter into a Contract under a pre-determined set of conditions, but the Contract (and any Contact) has to be a new Contract that has form, consent, offer and acceptance, legality, intent and consideration. Both parties must intend and be able to complete the terms of the Contract and provide the consideration outlined in the Contract.

Part of that is the capacity to carry out the Contract. At this point of a new Contract, Parra must have conducted a medical which I can only assume would have included the information from his 2024 neurological testing. At this point Parra have made the decision that he is able to provide his end of the Contract. What does this mean if/when Matterson says he cant play due to concussions? This is of course the whole point.

My whole argument in this thread hasnt been can or should Matterson be medically retired due to concussions, it is whether Parra would get cap dispensation. IMO Parra may be running a much bigger risk with the Contract and whether the insurance company would pay out (see Anthony Watmough).

Thanks Chatgpt. .btw you are in the swamp now..

But as mentioned we know f**k all about the brain. So any scan check ect Matto or Cordener got prior to their new contract could come back healthy.. The NRL won't be capping any club for years if a players medically retired due to concussions..

I also hope Matto sues Kaufisi

 

[Tiger5150]

This is a fascinating discussion - but surely you would know that it would be almost impossible to prove that the Kafusi tackle was the definitive concussion that lead to retirement.
Especially since Matto has since played.

Matto has played since. Then he took 4 weeks off in 2024 specifically because of concussion during which Parra sent him off for neurological testing. Parra have since signed a new Contract with him.

And even if the NRL could prove that
Wouldn't they then be under a duty of care issue where they let a player who should have retired play on (and so it might be in their best interests to say 'new injury medial retirement')

It is not a "duty of care" issue in any way. If Ryan Matterson, Boyd Cordner or any other player is having serious concussion issues, IMO they should retire immediately. Life is short but long enough that CTE would be a bitch. It is not a duty of care issue because if they retire, the player gets paid in full anyway, either by the club or the insurance company or a bit of both.

The only question is whether Parra would get the money off the cap and under the rules of PCR 86 (Medical termination), after Parra signed him in 2025, less than a year of him having a month off for concussion, neurological testing, 4 years after the Kaufusi tackle, 6 years after leaving the Tigers because he didnt think the Tigers treated his concussion issues properly.....yeah nah.

It would seem a fairly open/shut case of 'new concussion/ medical retirement'.
If that is the current issue (or is it his back?)

He had 4 weeks off for concussion and testing in 2024. It is a pre-existing condition that Parra knew about when they signed him in 2025.

Who knows - he may just be a pea-heart?? Unfortunately that isn't a new medical issue, he clearly developed it at Wests and brought it here with him.

Pea heart was a pre-existing condition that he had when he signed his Contract with the Tigers otherwise we would have got the cap exemption clearly.

 

[Tiger5150]

This is a fascinating discussion -

It was

 

[JokerEel]

It was

You and Pou seem to bring it out...

 

[Tiger5150]

You and Pou seem to bring it out...

Nice of you to say. You are welcome.

 

[Tiger5150]

To be fair I only come on this forum to hassle Tigers fans

Where else would you be?

 

[JohnStoppafarty]

Matto has played since. Then he took 4 weeks off in 2024 specifically because of concussion during which Parra sent him off for neurological testing. Parra have since signed a new Contract with him.


It is not a "duty of care" issue in any way. If Ryan Matterson, Boyd Cordner or any other player is having serious concussion issues, IMO they should retire immediately. Life is short but long enough that CTE would be a bitch. It is not a duty of care issue because if they retire, the player gets paid in full anyway, either by the club or the insurance company or a bit of both.

The only question is whether Parra would get the money off the cap and under the rules of PCR 86 (Medical termination), after Parra signed him in 2025, less than a year of him having a month off for concussion, neurological testing, 4 years after the Kaufusi tackle, 6 years after leaving the Tigers because he didnt think the Tigers treated his concussion issues properly.....yeah nah.

He had 4 weeks off for concussion and testing in 2024. It is a pre-existing condition that Parra knew about when they signed him in 2025.

Pea heart was a pre-existing condition that he had when he signed his Contract with the Tigers otherwise we would have got the cap exemption clearly.

What about if Matterson took up a PO for his resigning that was included in his previous contract before the scans or the time off? How would that hypothetically be dealt with under contract law or the NRL code you refer to?

 

[Tiger5150]

What about if Matterson took up a PO for his resigning that was included in his previous contract before the scans or the time off? How would that hypothetically be dealt with under contract law or the NRL code you refer to?

PO is an offer to enter into a new Contract. Matterson has a new Contract with Parra until 2026. Parra would have to do their due diligence in this case. Im not the one making the decision for Parra, Matterson or the insurance Company. When Parra and Matterson signed that new deal, Parra is taking the risk that Matterson might not finish the Contract due to his pre-existing conditions, and if not they may not get paid out by the insurance company or might not get an exemption under the cap. That is the risk they take and I can only assume that they have weighed up this risk based on the information they have.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I now know how Pou feels, you merkins are uneducatable!

You are wasting your time because he won't be retiring due to concussion. It is a 'brand new injury' of some description (doesn't matter what). The concussion discussion is for Russians, by which I mean it is not relevant to us.

 

[the phantom menace]

You are wasting your time

No, you are...

 

[hineyrulz]

You are wasting your time because he won't be retiring due to concussion. It is a 'brand new injury' of some description (doesn't matter what). The concussion discussion is for Russians, by which I mean it is not relevant to us.

Ok Comrade.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

He had 4 weeks off for concussion and testing in 2024. It is a pre-existing condition that Parra knew about when they signed him in 2025.

Parra last re-signed him in 2022, until the end of next year:

Ryan Matterson re-signs

Parramatta Eels back-rower Ryan Matterson has re-signed for four seasons and will remain at the Club until the 2026 season.

www.parraeels.com.au

 

[oldmancraigy]

Why are so many posts getting swamped?

They were on the track of the argument in the rumours and other crap thread. I've seen way worse digressions/ less meaningful arguments!

@Twizzle @Gronk any insight?

 

[hineyrulz]

Why are so many posts getting swamped?

They were on the track of the argument in the rumours and other crap thread. I've seen way worse digressions/ less meaningful arguments!

@Twizzle @Gronk any insight?

No matter what Parra did the right thing??

 

[JokerEel]

Parra last re-signed him in 2022, until the end of next year:

Ryan Matterson re-signs

Parramatta Eels back-rower Ryan Matterson has re-signed for four seasons and will remain at the Club until the 2026 season.

www.parraeels.com.au

Will be interesting..

With Radley copping another head knock.. People are calling for him to retire his contract doesn't end till the end of 2027 he resigned in 23 after a terrible 22 season which saw him with multiple concussions.... We all know where I am going...

 

[emjaycee]

A single concussion will not likely retire you, so whilst we can trace Mattos concussions issues at Parra to beginning with Kaufusi's dog shot, it is the total number that may retire him, and the last one would be the basis for retirement and any medical exemption request... if it happens.

 

[JokerEel]

A single concussion will not likely retire you, so whilst we can trace Mattos concussions issues at Parra to beginning with Kaufusi's dog shot, it is the total number that may retire him, and the last one would be the basis for retirement and any medical exemption request... if it happens.

You put that so much eloquantly than I could!