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The TV rights thread part II

Providing the price is right which is your preferred FTA broadcast option?

  • All games on Seven

    Votes: 11 4.2%
  • All games on Nine

    Votes: 17 6.5%
  • All games on Ten

    Votes: 59 22.6%
  • Seven/Nine split

    Votes: 10 3.8%
  • Seven/Ten split

    Votes: 109 41.8%
  • Nine/Ten split

    Votes: 55 21.1%

  • Total voters
    261
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Raiderdave

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I hope they push for the Storm Warriors game for Good Friday again this year, with a national audience.... The AFL leave themselves wide open on that day by not scheduling games....

Good Friday

Bulldogs V Souths 4pm ANZ Stadium live on Ch 9 in NSW / QLD
Wests Tigers V Broncos 7.30pm Allianz live on Ch 9 in NSW/QLD

I agree though

imagine the Storm & Say Manly at AAMI at 4pm on Good Friday televised Live in NSW .. QLD .. & VIC
would sell the joint out after the battle of brookie last year
& attract monster TV ratings

come on NRL
think outside the box.........
 

docbrown

Coach
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Good Friday

Bulldogs V Souths 4pm ANZ Stadium live on Ch 9 in NSW / QLD
Wests Tigers V Broncos 7.30pm Allianz live on Ch 9 in NSW/QLD

I agree though

imagine the Storm & Say Manly at AAMI at 4pm on Good Friday televised Live in NSW .. QLD .. & VIC
would sell the joint out after the battle of brookie last year
& attract monster TV ratings

come on NRL
think outside the box.........

The Easter schedule for a 20 team comp should be something like -

Thursday Night
Friday Afternoon
Friday Night
Saturday Twilight
Saturday Night
Sunday Afternoon Early
Sunday Afternoon Late
Sunday Night
Monday Afternoon
Monday Night

Clubs should lock in annual games in most of those slots.
 

juro

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Hey Doc, what do you reckon the cost to the TV rights bid would be for insisting on a set schedule? It would lead to a more even competition, but would likely harm ratings.
 

Quidgybo

Bench
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Hey Doc, what do you reckon the cost to the TV rights bid would be for insisting on a set schedule? It would lead to a more even competition, but would likely harm ratings.

Keep in mind that a fixed draw doesn't mean an evenly allocated draw. The television networks will still be involved in scheduling, it will just be five to nine months ahead instead of five to nine weeks ahead. A fixed draw is designed to help games draw better crowds by giving fans more certainty when games will be played. It won't eliminate television's influence on scheduling. The networks will continue to demand that games that are expected to rate highest be scheduled to days and timeslots where they can be potentially chosen for broadcast. It's the same reason Collingwood get so many Friday night games in the AFL even though they have a fixed draw.

Leigh.
 

docbrown

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Hey Doc, what do you reckon the cost to the TV rights bid would be for insisting on a set schedule? It would lead to a more even competition, but would likely harm ratings.

Keep in mind that a fixed draw doesn't mean an evenly allocated draw. The television networks will still be involved in scheduling, it will just be five to nine months ahead instead of five to nine weeks ahead. A fixed draw is designed to help games draw better crowds by giving fans more certainty when games will be played. It won't eliminate television's influence on scheduling. The networks will continue to demand that games that are expected to rate highest be scheduled to days and timeslots where they can be potentially chosen for broadcast. It's the same reason Collingwood get so many Friday night games in the AFL even though they have a fixed draw.

Leigh.

Leigh's right. The networks will still have their say.

But think of it this way. You've got 10 coming in and wanting to screen every game and broadcast inter-state on digitals. Every game would get aired to the market that 10 wants them to without the need for floating scheduling. This puts the pressure back on 9 & 7 to concede a fixed schedule and national broadcast allowances.

As to how much? Well if 7 & 10 weren't in the game, it would cost us. But as they're keeping 9 on their toes it's going to likely be for free. That's the power of competition and it's why 9 have been able to treat the game like crap previously. That said, my instinct tells me that at that point the NRL would likely re-offer a combination of fixed and floating scheduling, depending on who wins and in effect get extra money from the networks for that priviledge.

As to what it will end up, I'd suggest we're likely to get to options -

All games on 10/Foxtel - game timeslots might shift if its a blockbuster but the day will stay the same - this is a natural advantage the 10 deal has

Games split even partially on 7/9 - early rounds fixed, last few rounds all floating, in between combination of fixed derby games and floating games (blockbusters) that could be shifted
 

IanG

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Storm vs Warriors is ANZAC Day and even though its a Wednesday both traditional games are scheduled to go ahead (along with Dragons v Chooks).

Only time Storm played on GF in recent memory was against Dragons at Etihad in 2010.

Yeah a manufactured tradition
 

Canucks

Juniors
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Leigh's right. The networks will still have their say.

But think of it this way. You've got 10 coming in and wanting to screen every game and broadcast inter-state on digitals. Every game would get aired to the market that 10 wants them to without the need for floating scheduling. This puts the pressure back on 9 & 7 to concede a fixed schedule and national broadcast allowances.

As to how much? Well if 7 & 10 weren't in the game, it would cost us. But as they're keeping 9 on their toes it's going to likely be for free. That's the power of competition and it's why 9 have been able to treat the game like crap previously. That said, my instinct tells me that at that point the NRL would likely re-offer a combination of fixed and floating scheduling, depending on who wins and in effect get extra money from the networks for that priviledge.

As to what it will end up, I'd suggest we're likely to get to options -

All games on 10/Foxtel - game timeslots might shift if its a blockbuster but the day will stay the same - this is a natural advantage the 10 deal has

Games split even partially on 7/9 - early rounds fixed, last few rounds all floating, in between combination of fixed derby games and floating games (blockbusters) that could be shifted

Seven aren't coming to the table though are they?

Nine and the NRL are still in the exclusive negotiating period but have Nine actually come forward with an offer yet? Has any of this leaked out? Or would they wait till the end of the 3 month period before throwing something on the table?

The idea that Nine helped the AFL get their price with their spoiling tactics confuses the sht out of me.... Why, if Seven had to pay these overs because of Nine, are Seven only going for Origin..... If I was Stokes I'd at least break the first and last by 20% just to screw Nine...
 

docbrown

Coach
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Why, if Seven had to pay these overs because of Nine, are Seven only going for Origin..... If I was Stokes I'd at least break the first and last by 20% just to screw Nine...

I think you've just said it yourself.

Remember this Kerry Stokes who lost about $200,000,000 on being block from the NRL rights and sued 9 & Foxsports and spend millions more in legal fees.

7 can out play all of them.
 

B-Tron 3000

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http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/ad-nauseam-nrl-with-an-eye-on-the-clock-looks-at-commercial-potential-20120314-1v3oc.html#poll

Ad nauseam: NRL, with an eye on the clock, looks at commercial potential

Rugby league fans will soon be sitting on the horns of a TV dilemma: if they want to see their stars in action, they must watch more commercials during games.

The NRL has been working for months on a strategy to build more stoppages into games in order to create more advertising opportunities for telecasters and potentially more revenue from media rights.

Players would then be paid more, meaning stars would be less likely to defect to other codes, as have State of Origin stars Karmichael Hunt and Israel Folau to the AFL.

The NRL strategy follows an observation last year by the Nine network boss, David Gyngell, when he told the Herald that if rugby league was to win the same money as the AFL achieved with its record $1.25 billion TV deal, it must offer networks similar advertising opportunities. AFL's free-to-air coverage traditionally allows for a commercial immediately after each goal and with its four-quarter action an AFL match usually lasts about an hour longer than a NRL game.

If introduced, the advertisements could stretch the time of an NRL game by 10 per cent.

One consultant estimates the additional broadcasting revenue from extra advertisements in NRL games at $70 million a year, after factoring in a further 20 breaks per game and basing the figures on a 30-second Friday night commercial costing a minimum $30,000.

However, this assumes two 50-minute halves, with drink breaks at the 25-minute marks and 15-second commercials at penalties, 20-metre taps and scrums. The chief executive of the ARL Commission, David Gallop, has confirmed key staffers are working on the strategy, which would be expected to protect the flow of the game and not undermine the role of player attrition in close contests.

He has charged his director of football operations, Nathan McGuirk, with the responsibility. McGuirk said: ''I've had a close look at it all, with potential for breaks to be utilised for commercial purposes without disrupting play.''

He said broadcasters insisted on guaranteed breaks for commercials during the course of a match, rather than ad hoc inserts that might follow an unexpected stoppage, such as an injury.

''Broadcasters are looking at guarantees of 30 seconds for commercial breaks,'' he said. ''Sideline kicks, drop-outs and the gap between the conversion attempt and the kick-off offer the best opportunities.
''For example, there is an average 35-37 seconds from the touch judge's flag going up following a sideline kick to the end of the scrum. We would have to guarantee a 30-second break in play to the telecaster.''
Some 1140 kicks found touch in 2011, an average of 8.3 per game, meaning more than four minutes of additional commercial breaks could have been accommodated. Scrums averaged 13.1 per NRL game last year but some followed knock-ons. Some viewers might even prefer to watch a 15-second advertisement following a fumble to the restart which masquerades as today's scrum.

McGuirk says line drop-outs offer another opportunity.
''The NRL insists line drop-outs can't take longer than 40 seconds, otherwise it is a penalty,'' he said. ''To satisfy the broadcaster, we would have to insist that a line drop-out does not take less than 30 seconds.''
There were, on average, three drop-outs per NRL game last season - an additional 90 seconds of potential advertising.

McGuirk said a conversion attempt would offer another opportunity. One or two commercials are now shown between the replay of a try and a kick attempt.
''The average time between the flags going up or down to signal a goal [or a miss] and the kick-off to restart play is 23 seconds,'' he said. ''We might have to hold the kick off up by an average seven seconds but it would result in another 30-second opportunity. If there are seven or eight tries per game, it offers another seven or eight commercials.''
NRL games averaged 6.6 tries per match last year.

Asked how the team behind on the scoreboard would react in the closing minutes of a match to a mandatory half-minute break, McGuirk said: ''If a team showed it was in a position to receive, or kick-off quickly before the commercial time had elapsed, the referee could call a time out.''

In other words, the TV commercial would run its course but the difference in time would be added to the game clock.

''Our concern is that it could add a huge amount of time to the game, as much as 10 per cent,'' McGuirk said.

He admitted the commercial possibilities were enticing. ''The extra time which could be allocated to commercials is quite significant. All these scenarios will be put to prospective broadcasters.''

Honestly, if they start calling tv timeouts it will be the last straw for me. It's already frustrating enough watching "rule intepretations" ruining the game, and waiting an eternity for some muppet in the video box to watch 12 replays has added another element of annoyance, but if they start changing the very fabric of the game just to sqeeze in some ads then I'm over it.

1. If there is 23 seconds between goal attempts and kick off then just put a 15 second ad your dipshits.

2. What's this crap about stations wanting guaranteed commercials? Obviously over the course of the year there is an average amount of scrums and tries etc, so do the maths. Some years they'll get a few more stoppages, some less. What's next? Channel nine deciding the rules so that there is more attacking games and therefore more breaks??

Do the AFL guarantee a certain amount of goals per game / year?

3. Mandatory drinks breaks at 25 min mark should not even be contemplated.
 
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It's either make way for more ads or accept a mediocre rights deal. You cant have the best of both worlds.

The TV stations have to make their money off the game some how, and with ads being their number 1 form of revenue that is obviously where the money will come from.

I am prepared to sit through more ads if it means a $1.2b tv deal is negotiated. It is little pain for a massive gain
 

Mong

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Looks like i will be watching pretty much all games on fox if this happens (assuming they will continue to show them ad free).
 
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