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The TV rights thread part II

Providing the price is right which is your preferred FTA broadcast option?

  • All games on Seven

    Votes: 11 4.2%
  • All games on Nine

    Votes: 17 6.5%
  • All games on Ten

    Votes: 59 22.6%
  • Seven/Nine split

    Votes: 10 3.8%
  • Seven/Ten split

    Votes: 109 41.8%
  • Nine/Ten split

    Votes: 55 21.1%

  • Total voters
    261
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applesauce

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God it would be good to see the RL win the metro figures against the RUWC.

Same countries, worse time for RL and not much on the line. Should be a good chip on the neg table if we come out on top.
 

undertaker

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That's massive news. I'm interested in seeing a few things. Firstly how well it rates compared to the recent RWC games involving the wallabies, i think we can beat it (we definitely will once regionals are included).

I'm also interested to see what sort of support we get in Perth and Melbourne. Hopefully Melbourne can pull similar figures to what we saw for the GF.

This our chance to show one of the big things league has going for it over the AFL.

I'm sure the test match will rate very well. However, it would rate better if we were in the 6:30pm EDT timeslot instead of the Wallabies match. In fact, I expect the ratings in Sydney and Brisbane to be good for the Wallabies/All Blacks match due to the strong ratings it will get from Ch9 news as a result of the Kangaroo/Kiwis match.
 
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undertaker

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well that is exciting if it really is Australia wide live, probably a first for a test match for a long long time.

Yes, I don't recall the last time a test match was broadcast live into Perth or Adelaide. Maybe the folk who live in those two areas could tell us. I'd be curious to know what tv coverage for RL games was like in these two places before Super League (whether or not they were still getting games at close to midnight).
 
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undertaker

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I agree, whilst the 4nations has its positives it hasn;t come close to genertaing as much interest as proper test series used to do. Bring back the Ashes and Trans tasman series!


I do believe that the 4 nations (soon to be 5 nations from 2014 onwards) does have a purpose. However, I believe with proper promotion and exposure, the Ashes and Trans-Tasman series have the potential to be just as big, if not, even bigger than Origin. Trans-Tasman series played during the season (after Origin) as a 3-test match series (alternating country every year) definitely is a MUST. Ashes will never return back to mid-year since the Super League season runs parallel to the NRL season, so it would have to be after the NRL season. It is for this reason that the old-style "Kangaroo" tours will never happen again. However, as was shown the last time the Poms toured out here in 1992 for the Ashes, there is definitely potential for it to be big. The last Ashes series was played in 2003, and all 3 tests were decided in the last 5 minutes of each match. The last Trans-Tasman series that was played mid-year was in 1995.
 
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undertaker

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Most people in Perth won't know it is on. That is the problem with zero advertising of RL programmes (in fact worse the advertising is actually showing it ISN'T on!) and a refusal to build a regular viewership by showing games at a decent time all season.

Well, considering the telecast of the game in the west begins at 12:30pm, I don't think it will rate very highly. However, if it was a 3:30pm/6:30pm EDT start (leading into the news), there would be a better chance. Nevertheless, this is the second time this year that the folk in Perth are getting a rugby league game broadcasted live on FTA, so you better make the most of it and spread the word.
 

Goddo

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Roy lets rip

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...from-rights-20111013-1ln6r.html#ixzz1ahX3IbFj

Numbers add up for NRL clubs in pursuit of more cash from rights

NRL clubs have been handed a big weapon to bludgeon co-owners News Ltd and the ARL with their demand for a doubling in their annual grants: TV audience figures for this year have eclipsed the AFL by 15 million, sending a clear message that the teams who put on the show deserve the same $1.25 billion broadcasters recently paid for AFL rights.

NRL cumulative TV audience numbers for the year, based on OzTAM data, were 128 million, compared with AFL's 113 million, a 2 million rise in both codes on the previous year's figures.

Huge NRL viewing numbers in regional NSW and Queensland are the critical difference, both in terms of the size of the audience and its growth potential for pay TV.

Regional free-to-air figures for the NRL the past two years were 38 million. The AFL's were 23 million this year, in areas where it has no teams in major centres of the size of population of the size of Newcastle, Wollongong and Townsville.

The AFL can boast it has superior free-to-air capital city figures, based on its national spread of teams, with 71 million viewers this year, compared with 57 million in the NRL, which is essentially a two capital city game, with matches live into Sydney and Brisbane and televised after midnight in Melbourne.

Furthermore, the AFL televises four games a week free-to-air compared with the NRL's three, although rugby league's massive State of Origin ratings are included in NRL totals.

However, the popularity of the NRL on pay TV has been the biggest driver of growth, with the total Fox Sports audience rising from 29 million to 33 million this year.
AFL pay TV numbers have also increased, up 3 million, but from a lower base of 16 million to 19 million.

Not surprisingly, of the top 100 programs this year on Foxtel, the NRL had 68 and the AFL had 12.

When these audience numbers are compared with the broadcasting fees paid, it's little wonder NRL clubs, with 14 making a loss this year, demand increased grants from a far better broadcasting deal.

The AFL plans to gatecrash the start of next year's NRL season, holding its own launch in Sydney, as well as next month's draft, while scheduling a stand-alone match between the Swans and Greater Western Sydney at ANZ Stadium ahead of the rest of the AFL competition starting.

NRL clubs argue the AFL's aggressive tactics are essentially funded off the Foxtel subscriptions paid by NRL watchers in NSW and Queensland, including the $1 million to $2 million contracts paid to code jumpers Karmichael Hunt and Israel Folau, and the Gold Coast Suns' Gary Ablett and the Giants' Tom Scully.

It's hard to counter the argument when the NRL will receive $42 million for Fox Sports broadcasting five matches a week live next season, while the AFL will receive $130 million.

While NRL free-to-air rights holder, Channel Nine, has admitted it must pay more than its current $45 million a year if it is to fight off competition from Seven and Ten for the 2013 rights, the message from monopoly pay TV networks, Foxtel/Fox Sports, is that it doesn't have to substantially increase its NRL fee.

Foxtel boss Kim Williams has used a number of arguments over the years to justify the larger AFL payment: higher capital city ratings (ignoring regional numbers); bigger crowds (don't people buy pay TV to watch games at home?); a superior family image (wasn't the AFL's top player manager photographed in his underpants with a 17-year-old girl?) and finally, ratings aren't as important as subscription numbers.

Foxtel has been told to reach half of all homes within the next five to seven years, before the completion of the NBN broadband roll out.

With subscription numbers in Sydney over 30 per cent and in Adelaide and Perth lower than 20 per cent, it's true the AFL states have more growth potential.
In fact, Foxtel only needs a further 95,000 new subscribers to return the fee it paid the AFL.

But NRL clubs ask: Does this justify paying the NRL peanuts, particularly when the pay TV sport network was built on the popularity of the NRL?

Still, if Williams persists in this argument, insiders see a window of opportunity with Foxtel's potential takeover of Austar, the regional pay TV carrier.

Based on the huge regional free-to-air audience for the NRL, industry chiefs see an opportunity for rural viewers transferring to pay TV. If Foxtel takes over Austar's 762,000 subscribers and drives a campaign in rural NSW and Queensland to sign up more households, Fox Sports might be forced to pay as much for the NRL as Williams gifted the AFL.

For the NRL to receive as much in free-to-air rights as Seven paid for AFL, it must create more advertising opportunities.

There are about 80 commercials in an AFL match, which is divided by quarters, compared with 34 in the NRL, with two recent NRL Saturday evening finals matches lasting as long as one AFL final.

However, Nine staffers are exploring the potential of game stoppages creating more space for commercial opportunities.

Rugby league's representative program also has the potential to widen the gap with the AFL, which has no mid- and end-of-season representative games of consequence.

A Test match on Sunday against the Kiwis and the forthcoming Four Nations series should build on Australian and New Zealand's viewing numbers, particularly with the exciting finals form of the Warriors increasing New Zealand's audience by 29 per cent this year.
 

Brutus

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Well done Roy :clap::clap::clap::clap:

You will never see an article like that from a league journo in the Telegraph or a News Limited paper for that matter.
 

carlosthedwarf

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Fine article except that I would wager that regional areas have a higher percentage of Pay TV users than metropolitan areas.

Areas like Canberra, Newcastle and Townsville have teams that don't regularly feature on Nine, so having Austar/Foxtel is a must to see their team play. You could lump Melbourne in there too since they have had terrible treatment from Nine.
 

Perth Red

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The capital city ratings argument can be easily won with expansion and a TV station willing to show NRL into the 3 capital cities it currently doesn't.

An extra game a week with expansion played on a Sunday and televised on FTA, bringing FTA games up to 4 a week, the increased interest in NRL in Perth with the return of the Reds and forcing the new TV station to show games beginning at 9pm on a Friday and live on a Sunday in Vic, WA and SA will easily see us make up the 14mill we are behind AFL in capital city ratings.

Just another reason to expand sooner rather than later!

We own Fox, its now time to make them pay through the nose for the rights to their most popular product! If they refuse I'd be offering them a 3 year deal only and be looking for a NBN subscription opportunity in 2016.
 

Billythekid

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The capital city ratings argument can be easily won with expansion and a TV station willing to show NRL into the 3 capital cities it currently doesn't.

An extra game a week with expansion played on a Sunday and televised on FTA, bringing FTA games up to 4 a week, the increased interest in NRL in Perth with the return of the Reds and forcing the new TV station to show games beginning at 9pm on a Friday and live on a Sunday in Vic, WA and SA will easily see us make up the 14mill we are behind AFL in capital city ratings.

Just another reason to expand sooner rather than later!

We own Fox, its now time to make them pay through the nose for the rights to their most popular product! If they refuse I'd be offering them a 3 year deal only and be looking for a NBN subscription opportunity in 2016.

Most weeks we already win in the metro. Getting the game shown in Perth and Melbourne will just make it a white wash.
 

dgsfan

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The extra game the AFL gets on FTA adds up over the year. I'd like to see averages on FTA to see a fairer comparison.
 

ParraEelsNRL

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The extra game the AFL gets on FTA adds up over the year. I'd like to see averages on FTA to see a fairer comparison.

True, plus one of our FTA games is a late night replay.

So the AFL are more or less getting 2 extra FTA games live nation wide a week.
 

babyg

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The extra game the AFL gets on FTA adds up over the year. I'd like to see averages on FTA to see a fairer comparison.

If FTA games get around 400k more than a fox game then that is another 10.4 million viewers.
 

Goddo

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If FTA games get around 400k more than a fox game then that is another 10.4 million viewers.
Which would make it no contest between AFL and NRL. The NRL would towel the AFL every week. Its that underlieing popularity of Rugby League that has kept the game going through the current News Ltd rip-off perriod.
 

Perth Red

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Test match results:
1 Ch:9 NINE'S RUGBY: WORLD CUP: SF2 NEW ZEALAND VS. AUSTRALIA 1,788,000 710,000 376,000 409,000 141,000 152,000
2 Ch:9 NINE NEWS SUNDAY 1,382,000 574,000 333,000 295,000 82,000 97,000
3 Ch:9 UNDERBELLY: RAZOR 1,336,000 526,000 346,000 219,000 134,000 111,000
4 Ch:7 SEVEN NEWS - SUN 1,243,000 241,000 374,000 247,000 146,000 236,000
5 Ch:7 WILD BOYS 997,000 189,000 309,000 201,000 70,000 229,000
6 Ch:7 SUNDAY NIGHT 956,000 244,000 364,000 221,000 127,000 0
7 Ch:9 TRANS-TASMAN RUGBY LEAGUE TEST 2011 943,000 460,000 113,000 292,000 32,000 48,000

Can't believe it the only time Ch9 show a test match live into Perth and both the West Australian on Sat and the Sunday Times advertised the game as kicking off at 11.30pm!!
 

El Diablo

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http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...ty-then-tv-deal-on-agenda-20111017-1ltfg.html

Commission's chief-in-waiting puts familiarity then TV deal on agenda
Brad Walter
October 18, 2011

THE eight members of the incoming independent commission will meet today for the seventh time as they prepare to begin negotiations for the new television deal.

While News Ltd and the ARL are still finalising details of their exit from the game, the commissioners want to ensure they hit the ground running on November 1, and have been working hard behind the scenes to ensure they are ready to take over.

Chairman-elect John Grant said the first major issue once the commission took over would be the new television deal, which club bosses were told at an NRL conference in August could be worth up to $1.4 billion over five years.

''We have already been briefed as to where the NRL executive team has got to but what we haven't decided yet is how do we go about it and who is going to be involved,'' Grant said.

''They are the sort of things that will be on the early stage agendas after the commission is formed. We can't do anything until we get formed but we will certainly be as prepared to start it quickly as we possibly can be.''

The Herald published viewing figures last week that showed 128 million people watched NRL games on television this season.

That figure was 15 million higher than for AFL, which recently announced a $1.25 billion broadcast deal over five years.

The biggest difference between the codes was in the greater number of regional and pay-television viewers league had, with the NRL having 68 of the top 100 programs this year on Foxtel. In comparison, AFL had 12.

Grant described the figures as ''unbelievable'' and believes the game is in a good position to negotiate the new television deal that will begin in the 2013 season.

However, the commission cannot open negotiations with television networks until News Ltd and the ARL formally hand over control of the game, and there is still a lot of work to be done behind the scenes.

But Grant is hopeful the November 1 deadline will be met, and said he and the other commissioners - Gary Pemberton, Ian Elliott, Peter Gregg, Catherine Harris, Jeremy Sutcliffe, Wayne Pearce and Chris Sarra - were preparing as if it would be.

''What we have realised in the time we have been on the fringe of the commission formation is how broad the game is, how many stakeholders there are, how many opportunities there are and how many issues there are,'' he said.

''What we are trying to do is get briefings on those from the NRL and all of the other stakeholders so that we come to the table post November 1 pretty much ready to go.

''That has been the high level objectives of what we have been doing. Obviously the focus at the moment is on the pre-formation, contractual and other things that need to be sorted out.

''The way we have been handling it is that we have had a small sub-committee out of the commissioners elect who have actually been working as part of the formation process so on Tuesday it is an opportunity to give all of the commissioners an update on how that is going.

''Given that it is only a few weeks away it is probably timely. The clock is ticking,'' he added.
 

Goddo

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7 10 joint bid vs 9 - should push the free to air rights up

I'd guess 7 would want 2 friday nights, Origin and Finals?

10 pitch for Mondays. Maybe Sunday as well? I think it would be odd if there were no free to air NRL on Saturday or Sunday.

4 games on Free to air with all games simulcast on payTV? What of City v Country, All Stars, Internationals?

If first and last rights of 9 are made void, would we then see 9 share with say 7? or would 9 fight to the death for the whole lot?
 

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http://www.thepowerindex.com.au/sport/ian-frykberg

7. Ian Frykberg

Former Packer and Murdoch man now negotiating top dollar TV rights deals

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Managing director, International Sports Television
Age: 65
Born in: South Africa, he moved to New Zealand as a child before crossing the ditch to Australia in his early twenties
Friends: Sam Chisholm | John Singleton
Home Town: Sydney

FORMER LIFE

Frykberg was a journalist at the SMH and Channel Nine before moving into management
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Ian Frykberg is the most powerful sports rights agent in the country. With his sandy brown hair and intimidating physique, the former journalist, media executive and rugby front-row forward casts a large shadow over the sporting landscape -- literally and figuratively.

When the NRL hammers out a $1 billion-plus deal to sell its TV rights next year he'll be there representing Foxtel. Just like how he was in the thick of it when the AFL recently sold its TV rights for a record $1.25 billion (again on the side of Foxtel).

In fact, if you look at any major sports deal in the last decade-and-a-half you'll find his fingerprints on it.

As well as rugby union, rugby league and the AFL, Frykberg's talents have seen him do deals involving soccer, cricket and the Olympics.

Why? Because he gets results. Sky TV New Zealand boss John Tellet describes the former rugby union front rower as one of the "smartest guys he has ever met" when it comes to sports rights.

Tellet was on the other side of the table to big "Frykers" when he was negotiating for rugby union body SANZAR over their recent five-year $472 million broadcasting deal.

"He is the guy in the background but he is probably the most powerful guy in sport. He has contacts everywhere," Tellet told the Sunday Star Times last year.

Frykberg's eye for detail is one of the qualities for which he gets praised ("he can tell me what the Finnish pay TV company is paying for CNN," says Tellet) and his wealth of knowledge is invaluable as a deal-maker.
But despite his stellar CV you won't find Frykberg listed in Who's Who. And don't even bother checking Wikipedia; the quietly-spoken South African's name was mentioned just seven times in the press last year according to Media Monitors.

So what does Frykberg actually do? In a nutshell, he's paid to know the latest broadcasting trends inside and out, all the while maintaining a decent set of contacts including all the country's top sports administrators.

He's also there to figure out exactly what the broadcasters and sporting bodies want out of a deal (acting behind the scenes if necessary) and then work hard to get what his employer desires. For an appropriate price, of course.

As Frykberg tells The Power Index, sports rights agents are there to "bear the brunt of grievances" from both parties and "help to find a way through". To grease the wheels, as they say.

"He is certainly one of the big influencers in sport," says a rival sports rights agent. "And his influence comes from both acting for the broadcaster and for the sport."

One of the contracts Frykberg recently advised on was the $1.2 billion AFL rights sell-off, the nation's biggest ever sports media deal. Frykberg acted for Foxtel, who inked a $557 million five-year deal with the AFL and Channel Seven to show every match live.

There were a lot of late nights in the ten month-long process, says Frykberg, and some tense moments, particularly when expectations weren't realised "on both sides": "The AFL negotiations were pretty heavy negotiations simply because the AFL is a very well-structured body, they know exactly what they want and they push hard for it."

Frykberg and Foxtel had a big win by scoring that deal to show every game live, bargaining with Seven to allow them to simulcast the games they planned to broadcast.

The deal marked a major progression for Australian broadcasting, further entrenching the move of major sports towards subscriber television.
But the TV dollars don't stop at the AFL. Frykberg's fans run far and wide, including internationally. His consultancy International Sports Rights Television was involved in the negotiations for the recent Sky Italia Serie A broadcasting deal, a contract worth a cool 1.8 billion Euro.

Then there's the NRL, a code which Frykberg has had a long dalliance with. As well as being a key man in the infamous Super League upheaval of the late nineties, Frykberg has been a director of the NRL and executive director of sport at News Limited (which owns 50% of the league).

Frykberg is reluctant to talk numbers when it comes to the NRL's prospects of eclipsing the AFL's monster contract, noting that the negotiations are yet to begin, but he does concede a good result is on the horizon for the code.

"My view is the NRL will achieve a figure which is substantially higher than their current figure."

And in terms of how much agents like Frykberg make from these huge deals, it's hard to say. Broadcasters hoping to keep the price low will typically offer a lump sum fee, while sporting bodies seeking maximum dollars might offer a percentage cut.

As one former sporting administrator told The Power Index: "there's no hard and fast rule when it comes to these things, but one thing's for sure: they're very well paid."

What is clear is that Frykberg has been on the path to power for a long time. He served one of the best apprenticeships in the country, running sport and current affairs for Kerry Packer during the golden years at Channel Nine.

He was founding EP of the Today show, EP of Sunday and Business Sunday and editor of The Bulletin, as well as being a Kerry favourite.
After that he was a key Rupert Murdoch lieutenant, heading up the Sun King's news and sport divisions.

"I'm a considerably different operator, [but] the philosophies of those guys of saying let's get it done rather than asking how can it be done," Frykberg says. "You need to approach everything with an open mind about the art of what's possible."

And as a Canberra political correspondent in the seventies Frykberg played witness to The Dismissal, perhaps the greatest power play in Australian history, which he wrote up for the Sydney Morning Herald front page the following day.

"Ian was a gentle assassin, but as lethal as they come," says Ben Sandilands, who worked for Frykberg at the SMH and was headhunted by him at The Bulletin.

"I never saw him play rugby, but I have this mental construct of him breaking someone's back and leaning over the victim saying 'Oh sorry about that.'"

Frykberg also has the connections of a powerbroker who's been in and around the inner sanctum most of his professional life. He's mates with Sam Chisholm, the former Nine and Sky powerbroker. He's also reportedly friends with larrikin Sydney adman and horseflesh doyen John Singleton.
"I've never seen myself as powerful person or whatever," says Frykberg. "But clearly I've been operating in the business a long time and I do have extensive high level contacts."

As for what's next, it looks like the next generation seems set to take over the family business. His son, Jake, is listed as a finance manager on ISTV's website, while his other son, Jarrod, is involved in the company's marketing arm. Jarrod also did some promoting for rugby league forward-turned-boxer Solomon Haumono.

Or maybe it's in horses. One of Frykberg's sprinters, Zaratone, recently took home the chocolates with a dashing win in the $100,000 Starlight Stakes at Rosehill, with the rest of the family earning a couple of extra quid on the punt in the process.

Or maybe he'll take a leaf out of book of some of his former employers and keep on working until he's got it all.
 
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